Why psychedelics can lead to god ?

[archi]

It would be interesting  to give psychedelics to animal (cat or dog or monkey etc), one might get answers. Good old invasive science experiments.

 

[archi]

1 hour ago, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

This is what I realized, that you get blue screen and computer is switched off. If it is not switched off then it is like you randomly access part of brain and get pictures.

[Basman]

Apparently reindeer get high from eating red cap mushrooms. They are immune to the poison. 

https://www.cairngormreindeer.co.uk/2017/10/13/why-the-reindeer-loves-its-mushrooms/

Animals getting high is nothing new and potentially rooted in incorporating new behavior and evolving the species. This book by Samini is all about animals taking drugs:

https://www.amazon.com/Animals-Psychedelics-Natural-Instinct-Consciousness/dp/089281986

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From caffeine-dependent goats to nectar addicted ants, the animal kingdom offers amazing examples of wild animals and insects seeking out and consuming the psychoactive substances in their environments. Author Giorgio Samorini explores this little-known phenomenon and suggests that, far from being confined to humans, the desire to experience altered states of consciousness is a natural drive shared by all living beings and that animals engage in these behaviors deliberately. Rejecting the Western cultural assumption that using drugs is a negative action or the result of an illness, Samorini opens our eyes to the possibility that beings who consume psychedelics--whether humans or animals--contribute to the evolution of their species by creating entirely new patterns of behavior that eventually will be adopted by other members of that species. The author's fascinating accounts of mushroom-loving reindeer, intoxicated birds, and drunken elephants ensure that readers will never view the animal world in quite the same way again.

Perhaps there is a correlation between poison and hallucinogenic effects and narcotic effects in general. IE. when self-defense measures become benign you are left with certain narcotic effects.

[Basman]

Rudolf's cooked.

[Davino]

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Why psychedelics can lead to God ?

Because God imagined so.

 

[Vynce]

8 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

??? in no world does this make any sense. whats your definition of sleep then. Its pretty much the deepest opposite of being asleep possible. cite your source.

[CosmicExplorer]

4 hours ago, Vynce said:

??? in no world does this make any sense. whats your definition of sleep then. Its pretty much the deepest opposite of being asleep possible. cite your source.

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

Edited July 11 by CosmicExplorer

[Leo Gura]

12 hours ago, momo said:

I think the explanation is that psychedelics alter the brain and its neurons so that increases consciousness

That's not the issue. The question is why?

[Vynce]

2 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

I don't know bro. I've had a lot of psychedelics and anesthetics in my blood throughout my life, and both resulting states couldn't be farther away from each other experientially.

[vibv]

19 hours ago, archi said:

It would be interesting  to give psychedelics to animal (cat or dog or monkey etc), one might get answers. Good old invasive science experiments.

 

What would that achieve? It's not even possible to understand them by giving them to a human and then just talking to them afterwards...

[samijiben]

8 hours ago, CosmicExplorer said:

@Vynce I used the word sleep colloquially, the brain is less active on psychedelics than in sleep. Furthermore, metabolically, the brain under anesthesia is further away from a state in which the dead brain is than in a normal sober waking state, and the brain in a normal sober waking state is further away from the dead brain than the brain on psychedelics. The point is that psychedelics are the best death simulator we have.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1119598109

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/ (in rats)

"Human EEG studies with serotonergic psychedelics consistently report a broadband spectral power decrease (delta to gamma) most pronounced within the alpha band (8–12 Hz) and a decrease in functional connectivity and integrity of networks [21,22,23,24,25,26]. On the other hand, increases in higher frequencies (gamma oscillations, 30 Hz and above) have been also described [27,28,29]; however, the effects are hard to interpret due to typical contamination related to increased tension of the facial muscles. MEG, in contrast to EEG, is devoid of this contamination [30], and on the contrary shows a decrease in oscillations within the gamma range [31]."

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1518377113

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15179026/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-51974-4

Anesthesia:

https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(24)00446-X?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS089662732400446X%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

 

Pretty interesting!

When you say psychedelics are like a death simulator, you seem to be talking about physical death as in cessation of the beating of the heart of the organism in question...

But how does this make sense beyond whatever data-extrapolation-thing from above that you did? The body is more alive on psychedelics. That's why I take that shit while climbing mountains. 

[CosmicExplorer]

14 hours ago, Vynce said:

I don't know bro. I've had a lot of psychedelics and anesthetics in my blood throughout my life, and both resulting states couldn't be farther away from each other experientially.

Well, that's exacly what those studies are showing. Brain on psychedelics vs anesthetised brain is like the polar opposite.

8 hours ago, samijiben said:

When you say psychedelics are like a death simulator, you seem to be talking about physical death as in cessation of the beating of the heart of the organism in question...

But how does this make sense beyond whatever data-extrapolation-thing from above that you did? The body is more alive on psychedelics.

I'm talking about brain-death. Perhaps the body have more metabolism on psychedelics, I don't know about that.

[MaDoubt]

On 7/11/2025 at 0:46 PM, CosmicExplorer said:

Psychedelics only reduce brain activity/metabolism. The remaining activity is more connected, yes. But your brain is essentially going to sleep while you're on them.

Exactly! They don't increase, but reduce brain activity and by this throttle down (and in the case of 5-MEO kill) your mind (with a small m) , and by doing that you get access to broader consciousness ( impersonal one). In the case of 5-MEO your mind (with a small m) is completely shut down and you become Mind (capital M).

By this mechanism you get information which seems to be not yours on high doses of LSD (from the Collective Unconscious) or to become  God on 5-MEO. The mechanism by which this is happening is a weakening of the Ego or complete destruction (like 5-MEO does) - things which will show up on a CT-scan as a decrease of brain activity.

Everything is consciousness in the end, our personal minds are just delimitations in that consciousness and psychedelics are making the borders between personal and impersonal more transparent (disolving them completely in the case of 5-MEO).

Ma

 

 

[Aaron p]

On 11/07/2025 at 9:30 AM, Leo Gura said:

That is the billion dollar question!

We don't know.

It's like asking why does the mushroom in Super Mario Bros make Mario big?

@Leo Gura how has your health situation been? Do you think you will never touch psychedelics again? I hope your well brother

[Xonas Pitfall]

Here! I’ve timestamped it, but this video explains well what psychedelics do to our brains! I honestly suggest watching the full course if you're interested in this.

TLDR:

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Research on the effects of psychedelics, such as psilocybin, LSD, and DMT, has revealed that these substances decrease brain activity rather than increasing it. Studies have shown reduced cerebral blood flow and brain metabolism during psychedelic experiences, which are associated with decreased brain activity in certain regions. This pattern has been observed consistently across various psychedelics and confirmed by multiple research groups globally.

This finding challenges the mainstream physicalist view, which posits that intense experiences should correlate with high brain activity. If mental experiences increase while brain metabolism decreases, it creates a paradox for this model. In contrast, idealism (God, consciousness as opposed to materialism) offers an alternative perspective, where mental activity can be dissociated from brain activity. In this view, the brain may reflect mental states but doesn't fully explain them, suggesting that consciousness could be independent of physical brain function.

Under idealism, the process of dissociation, where the mental contents within a person's mind are separated from the rest of their consciousness, should also correlate with brain activity. This dissociative process, which isn’t just "nothing," requires energy and is part of nature’s functioning. As a result, a reduction in brain activity could be linked to a reduction in the dissociative boundary itself.

When someone takes psychedelics, brain activity decreases, which seems to correspond with a reduction in dissociation. If the dissociative boundary becomes more porous, mental contents that were once "beyond" the boundary may start to flow into conscious experience. This leads to a much richer and more intense experience of consciousness, where the individual perceives things outside of their normal mental "altar" (e.g., thoughts, imagination, feelings). The porous boundary allows for transpersonal experiences, things that aren’t part of the self-contained mind, like a sense of connectedness or non-local experiences.

In a psychedelic trip, rather than experiencing the usual contents of one's mind (thoughts and feelings), the brain’s reduced activity signals that the dissociative boundary has weakened. Consequently, what the person experiences are mental phenomena that transcend their personal mental "altar." This process might not only explain psychedelic experiences but could also account for certain paranormal phenomena like telepathy or clairvoyance, though this is speculative.

Basically, the way I see it is this: You know how when you're walking down the street, you can separate your own individual self from other people talking? Well, someone with schizophrenia, for example, can’t do that. They often hear voices and interpret other people's conversations passing by as if they are being watched or talked about. They're missing that "dissociative separation boundary of ego" that most people have, which is necessary to function properly in the real world.

During psychedelic trips, or people with telepathy, clairvoyance, schizophrenia, DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), or even savant syndrome, cannot form a consistent sense of "self" or "ego." As a result, a lot of other things "leak" into their consciousness, which causes their perception of reality and sense of self to differ drastically from what we consider "normal." This is why they tend to be more dysfunctional on average, but can also display unique abilities or gifts.

Psychedelics directly target the DMN (default mode network). The Default Mode Network (DMN) is thought to be closely linked to the ego or sense of self. For example, it is strangely overactive in depressive patients. These patients struggle with an overactive sense of self and repetitive thoughts, which is why psychedelics can help treat depression; they break them out of their mental loop. Similarly, sociopathic or narcissistic individuals might experience guilt or empathy when they use psychedelics, because it loosens their rigid sense of "self."

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  Study on Infant Brain Connectivity (2022):

  A 2022 study by Liu et al. (Journal of Neuroscience) focused on functional brain connectivity in infants aged 0-2 years. The researchers found that while infants have less developed brain networks, including the DMN, there is a gradual increase in self-referential processing and internal thought networks as they approach 2 years of age. This study supports the idea that infants' low DMN activity corresponds with their developing sense of self.

  Reference: Liu, X., et al. (2022). "Development of functional brain networks in early infancy." Journal of Neuroscience.

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  Meditation Reduces DMN Activity (2020):

  A 2020 study by Cheng et al. in Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging examined experienced meditators (including Buddhist monks) and found that long-term meditation practice significantly reduces DMN activity during meditative states. This decrease was associated with a more pronounced feeling of selflessness or unity with the environment. The research suggests that meditation training might effectively "train" the brain to reduce self-referential thinking, which is mediated by the DMN.

  Reference: Cheng, Z., et al. (2020). "Reduction in DMN activity during meditation in long-term meditators." Psychiatry Research: Neuroimaging.

  So, psychedelics are essentially substances that lower DMN activity or reduce brain activity overall, particularly the ego. If we could create a drug or medicine that does the same thing, we'd likely see similar effects. Of course, this is all still under heavy research and uncertain, but the ongoing evidence suggests this is the direction we're heading.

Edited Tuesday at 06:26 PM by Xonas Pitfall

[Leo Gura]

Talking about brain activity is the wrong direction.

Psychedelics raise consciousness. That's all that matters, not the brain.

Brain is the wrong paradigm. MIND is the right paradigm.

[Xonas Pitfall]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Talking about brain activity is the wrong direction.

Psychedelics raise consciousness. That's all that matters, not the brain.

Brain is the wrong paradigm. MIND is the right paradigm.

Not necessarily!

If one night I drugged you, locked you up in a basement, and performed gender transformation surgery, making you "Miss Leona," you'd be forced to have a "consciousness expansion" experience due to your physicality and hormones changing. If I induced schizophrenia in you through a lobotomy and electric shocks, you would also have a shift in consciousness.

When you're sad, you can point to brain activity that's "presenting" that you are in a sad state. When you're doing a complex calculus problem, there's brain activity for that as well. And there is also brain activity when your "dissociative process," aka your DMN or "ego," is being lowered, which expands your sense of self. I'm not saying the brain is the cause of consciousness, but it is a good "map" to look at if one potentially wants to cause these things outside of psychedelics. Creating substances that mimic this behavior, lowering brain activity, especially in areas associated with the "self" and "self-rumination," would be a good direction!

Fundamentally, both 'real' mental barriers and 'real' physical barriers are the main culprits as to why we are not all flowing and basking in God. It's a sturdy process to deconstruct these things and become unself-deceived. That's why psychedelics help so much, as they loosen things up.

This is also why I can touch my toes on psychedelics and almost do a pretzel!

Edited Wednesday at 06:26 AM by Xonas Pitfall