Amazing Atheist Takes the Red Pill

[Oppositionless]

He's Into The Fray now

Part of me is afraid he's right . 

[something_else]

Wow I haven’t seen this dude in probably 10 years

[Oppositionless]

54 minutes ago, something_else said:

Wow I haven’t seen this dude in probably 10 years

I'm not sure why but I kinda randomly thought to look him up the other day, assuming he was gone.

Nope he's super active he just ... doesn't really get views. Kinda sad.

I think he alienated a lot of his audience with his anti sjw stuff, and then proceeded to alienate those anti sjw people when he recanted.

He seems like he's somewhat evolved spiritually , doesn't identify as an atheist anymore, embraced chaos magick . But still very much spiral dynamics stage orange.

Edited June 26 by Oppositionless

[Emerald]

The thing he's wrong about is the "all women go for the top 10% of men" line.

That's just not true. Most women want a regular guy that she can connect with and have intimacy with... who is a reliable, safe, and pro-social kind of guy.

And probably about 60%-70% of guys are perfectly good relationship/marriage partners.

However, I do think there's a sizable minority of men who just are quite repellent to women... not because of looks or their job or something (like Incels  think)... but because of their cold hard personalities and anti-social ways that makes it impossible to get the level of intimacy and connection that women need to feel good in a relationship.

And society used to guarantee these guys a marriage partner because female sovereignty and female sexuality was heavily controlled by the state.... and they weren't as able to make their own money.

And otherwise anti-social men with money were able to essentially purchase many wives and concubines from the women's fathers. (Also not a situation women chose... and thus not an example of female selection preferences)

The same thing is true in Gorilla societies. The female apes are perfectly fine selecting a mate with a regular non-silverback gorilla if given the chance. But the Silverback guards the females. So, the females gorillas are controlled like territory/property of the Silverback to the point where they don't have the opportunity to mate with the other gorillas.

So, it's important to differentiate between how women select based on personal preference... and how (historically) their fathers selected for them.

But because of this set-up, women had to rely on a man... and society heavily punished women who were single or who chose to divorce. It was a decision borne out of survival necessity instead of genuine desire and preference.

And I agree that a lot of anti-social men got to reproduce who wouldn't have otherwise gotten to because of their unappealing personalities.

So, I do agree that it seems like the guys that are complaining about the male loneliness epidemic are really just guys who repel women with their cold and anti-social personality.

A man without integration with his Feminine side comes across as nerdy, cold, hostile, misogynistic, and juvenile... and it's just off-putting to women. It honestly comes across as gross and off-putting, while I'm sure many men who operate this way believe themselves to be manly men.

It's like imagining cuddling with steel... or a very prickly cactus.

So, I do think that now-a-days, there will be a sizable minority of guys who won't "make the cut" in terms of marrying and having children. And the internet propaganda men consume just makes that worse.

But honestly, I did just see a video of a guy who was considering leaving his wife for an AI voice... and wanted to divorce his wife and marry the AI.

And these are the exact type of guys that women want to be rid of and would prefer singleness over having a relationship with that kind of guy.

Women online say this often, men are not competing with other men. Men are competing with the peace women feel when they're single. And if the woman feels better single than in a relationship with a given man, that relationship should end.

[Oppositionless]

@Emerald 

I feel like you're right 

But a man can't go too far in the feminine direction either. His femininity needs to be grounded in masculinity . I think spiral dynamics stage green without orange or yellow creates unattractive men. 

Also stage red can manifest as inceldom or cool alpha skater dude, it just depends. 

 

Edited June 26 by Oppositionless

[Emerald]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

@Emerald 

I feel like you're right 

But a man can't go too far in the feminine direction either. His femininity needs to be grounded in masculinity . I think spiral dynamics stage green without orange or yellow creates unattractive men. 

Also stage red can manifest as inceldom or cool alpha skater dude, it just depends. 

Think about Feminine integration as being more of a subtractive process of removing the resistances to the Feminine... as opposed to an additive process where you try to mold yourself into the Feminine.

That tends to be the main misconception.

Also, you cannot be more or less Feminine than you already are... you can either reject and repress it and have it come out in toxic ways OR you can embrace it and have it come out in ways that enhance your Masculinity.

The same thing is true with the Masculine. It cannot be added or subtracted... only repressed or embraced.

[LordFall]

@Emerald That's a good point. A lot of dating issues come from a lack of dating strategy vs being too low value. Meaning that if you socialize weekly and are open to connection it'll be a lot easier to meet a compatible partner vs being on internet forums and inevitably getting isolated and eventually jaded from the process. 

[Raze]

It’s very dumb reasoning. Nothing redpill about it, it’s common now in feminist / woke spaces.

For one, the main reason most men didn’t pass on their genes was because they died young, not because of women not picking them. 

Secondly, all enduring civilizations got around this survival of the fittest by enforcing some kind of monogamy. So if we do enter such a system it could cause massive damage to society if not collapse it altogether, as family stability would collapse and most men would have no buy in and thus be less motivated to maintain society.

It also assumes that the men women end up choosing are morally or civilization-ally superior, not true. The traits that are the most sexually attractive or lead to the most sex, are not necessarily the traits that make people more moral or better for maintaining civilization.

There is plenty of evidence of this. Young men with higher IQs tend to lose their virginity later. Men with higher dark triad traits tend to have more sexual partners.

It also isn’t even functioning as some Darwinian thing because we have birth control, and still maintain some monogamous structures. So what con end up happening is the woman can’t get any of the most wanted men to commit, then as she gets older settles for some lower value guy, whose genes she will actually pass on, or more likely - not at all. Because either after having experienced those guys she massively overestimates her mate value and won’t settle, or she just gets too busy or too old to have kids even if she gets married.

That’s another thing, fertility rates are plummeting, they’re only held up largely by people in cultures that maintain the traditional monogamous structures that value marriage and having children early. So the closest thing to a Darwinian thing happening here is not less fit men being weeded out, but rather any culture that normalizes this being weeded out because it can’t sustain itself.

Edited June 27 by Raze

[EternalForest]

@Emerald Explain the success of Rick Ross. Not much feminine integration going on there

 

 

[Schizophonia]

He is disgusting, It's obvious he's mentally ill.

[Emerald]

7 hours ago, EternalForest said:

@Emerald Explain the success of Rick Ross. Not much feminine integration going on there

 

 

I'm not too familiar with Rick Ross. I can say that I don't personally find him aesthetically appealing but that some women might.

But most men who aren't integrated with the Feminine side are pretty nerdy and socially inept... like Incels. The lack of integration of the Feminine is socially crippling... and prevents deeper connection on a human level. 

So, I don't think that a famous musician falls into that category. He's got to have some degree of Feminine integration to have the social skills and creative skills to do what he does.

But ultimately, how you define "success" matters.

And when I speak of success (relative to this video by the Amazing Atheist), I mean men who will be good husbands and fathers (if they so wish) and who are an asset to their community. And you can't do that without Feminine integration... especially not in this current era.

And it seems to me that the men complaining of the "male loneliness epidemic" are men who have the behavior of trying to maximize their Masculinity and repress all signs of Femininity.

And with social media, many women's collective awareness has expanded in the past 10 years, such that they are more aware of signs of anti-Feminine behaviors and ideologies... and select partners based off of that information for both safety and attraction purposes.

Men who repress their Feminine side will treat women the same way they treat their own Feminine side. So, a men who tries to eradicate the Feminine from himself cannot be a good partner to a woman. 

And the current state of things, makes it quite evident who's who in terms of men who are safe and men who are unsafe. And women (as a group) will tend to select for safer male partners over ones who come off as creepy or dangerous.

Edited Monday at 08:38 PM by Emerald

[Emerald]

@AION Certainly, my take is a "girly" take... as I'm specifically communicating about how women tend to select for partners in the current era where (because of social media) misogyny and anti-social tendencies in men are much more well-known for women as a collective group.

And there are common perspectives and buzzwords that the men who think this way will say that most young women will immediately be able to clock such a guy.

Women don't want to be with anti-social mean-spirited guys who lack emotional intelligence and who hate/resent women. That's why these guys are complaining of loneliness... because women (as a collective) have become conscious to the point that they are sorting these guys out.

And all of the misogynistic propaganda just exacerbates that issue by selling men a version of Masculinity that most women find repellant and will guarantee that most women will sort them from consideration.

Think about how birds mate.

The male bird does his dance... and the female says "yes" or "no".

And because of the internet propaganda, huge swaths of the male population are being taught unappealing "dances" by men who claim to be experts... and who also convince their marks to never listen to women about what they want.

So, it keeps these men doubling down on mating strategies that make them less and less and less appealing to women.

Add to that, the fact that people are socializing less... and you have a situation where lots of men simply won't partner up and won't have children.

That's what The Amazing Atheist was talking about in his video.

[Schizophonia]

We have to do what we like to attract partners, everything is already in our programming.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 hour ago, AION said:

I agree with what you say but most women don’t filter men on maturity since they themselves aren’t mature to begin with. You see all the fault in men while the females are the selectors of which “ride” they want to take. And most of them select their pick as a girl. Not as a woman. I know well put together educated guys. Also good looking and good hearted and they can’t get any. While some other friends of mine who are immature are giving these girls the ride of their lives and drop them. Only after these girls surpass their prime years they give these good mature guys a chance when they aren’t wanted.  

Flip male for female in the above statement and it still stands. Really try to contemplate that. 

This is a really reductionist frame that is limiting you. That you believe this (you believe it, it's not direct truth, it's parroting) is placing this artificial limit. And it's going to apply to much more of your internal state and personality than just this aspect. 

 

[AION]

@Natasha Tori Maru I like psychologically mature and immature women. But I do have a strange allure to psychologically immature women because I feel safe with them I guess. I think I was projecting a little bit.

Edited 21 hours ago by AION

[Tenebroso]

9 hours ago, Emerald said:

@AION Certainly, my take is a "girly" take... as I'm specifically communicating about how women tend to select for partners in the current era where (because of social media) misogyny and anti-social tendencies in men are much more well-known for women as a collective group.

And there are common perspectives and buzzwords that the men who think this way will say that most young women will immediately be able to clock such a guy.

Women don't want to be with anti-social mean-spirited guys who lack emotional intelligence and who hate/resent women. That's why these guys are complaining of loneliness... because women (as a collective) have become conscious to the point that they are sorting these guys out.

And all of the misogynistic propaganda just exacerbates that issue by selling men a version of Masculinity that most women find repellant and will guarantee that most women will sort them from consideration.

Think about how birds mate.

The male bird does his dance... and the female says "yes" or "no".

And because of the internet propaganda, huge swaths of the male population are being taught unappealing "dances" by men who claim to be experts... and who also convince their marks to never listen to women about what they want.

So, it keeps these men doubling down on mating strategies that make them less and less and less appealing to women.

Add to that, the fact that people are socializing less... and you have a situation where lots of men simply won't partner up and won't have children.

That's what The Amazing Atheist was talking about in his video.

Your argument that women are becoming conscious and filtering these men out does not stand up to scrutiny; anti-social, emotionally unintelligent, misogynistic men attract women if they are physically attractive and have some status it's that simple. My observation is that the worst a man is the less issues he has with women. Narcissistic, emotionally unavailable, cold men are not the ones struggling from the male loneliness crisis. Every day on social media women expose toxic, abusive men and what is the result? more attention for those men, they are never ostracized so is toxicity really the issue? Society is unwilling to face the truth about female attractions, women care way more about looks just as much as men if not more judging by their actions and care a lot about status and power to the extent that they are willing to overlook red flags if men have these qualities.

You seem to have cause and effect mixed up. The misogynistic propaganda didn't create these men or come out of thin air. Sensitive young men who genuinely want to connect with women, experienced rejection after rejection, compared notes and realized society was being dishonest with them and these influences took advantage. Now I agree with you that the Alpha Male influencers are causing harm, I dislike them but the advice from the other end of the spectrum is actually what we were raised with. If you were born after 1990 in a western country the social conditioning you received was much closer to the advice you give out than any Alpha influence dudes who only appeared on the scene about 15 years ago.

The core issue is young men have eyes, ears and experiences and their experiences does not match what we are being told. I am basically the opposite of a stoic, cold, mean, alpha dude. I am; sensitive, emotional, artsy, have more female friends than male yet men like myself struggle only to be told it's because of propaganda we are receiving when in reality most of these influencers appeared on the scene when I was already in my 20s and I had by that point already a long list of rejections and traumatic experiences with women.

I think part of the issue is that for the vast majority of women having a love life or being able to just get a date is take for granted. It's just a given, so women can't fathom the idea of not being able to attract the opposite sex so vilify these type of men without knowing the full story or questioning their biases.

You seem very confident in your view that men are struggling because we are adopting a form of masculinity that is repellant but I would ask you to reconsider your views and think about it. Most of these problems predate reddit, forums and red pill podcasters/influencers. The manosphere and red pill is a symptom not a cause.