Is the US now at war with Iran? (US vs. Iran Discussion)

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

All he is doing is deflecting because he has no answer.  So attack CNN.  

I like that he goes at Israel a little bit but i think it’s only show.

[Inliytened1]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I like that he goes at Israel a little bit but i think it’s only show.

I think its sad that Netanyahu sat in the very same room as him and shook his hand.  He has his own agenda.  Trump is an entertainer. He didn't actually plan on being in this mess. 

Edited Tuesday at 12:03 PM by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And I'm saying we didn't create it.  You are exalting man as if he did something special here.  Its fine if you want to do that - just understand that man doesn't have a patent on Consciousness.   We would like to think we do though.   See that's the tricky thing here.

Not sure how I'm exalting man.

Merely suggesting that just because we can allow something to happen, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best thing evolution wise.

We can also allow nuclear bombs to go off, but probably not a good idea.

I think we might be at an impasse here, don't want to derail this thread too much.

Looks like the ceasefire might be over.

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I think its sad that Netanyahu sat in the very same room as him and shook his hand.  He has is own agenda.  Trump was an entertainer. He didn't actuay plan on being in this mess. 

Already in his first term he moved the embassy to Jerusalem (something most countries won’t do) and Kushner etc. so it’s expected. Then the gaza riviera video. I mean it’s a bit of a mess and Netanyahu is just making everything much worse. Only a miracle can stop this nonsense for good.

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Not sure how I'm exalting man.

Merely suggesting that just because we can allow something to happen, it doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best thing evolution wise.

We can also allow nuclear bombs to go off, but probably not a good idea.

I think we might be at an impasse here, don't want to derail this thread too much.

Looks like the ceasefire might be over.

I get you.  I think there's really no way to stop AI I think that's the point.  My dad took me to see the Terminator when I was like 6 and we thought the machines would never take over.  Now it seems like a reality.  

Edited Tuesday at 12:12 PM by Inliytened1

[PurpleTree]

I know this is mostly nonsense but it was in my feed, watching it and it’s soo cute ☺️ 

makes me feel like

everythings going to be alright 

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

I get you.  I think there's really no way to stop AI I think that's the point.  My dad took me to ser the Terminator when I was like 6 and we thought the machines would never take over.  Now it seems like a reality.  

Technically it should be possible to reign things in with government regulation, but it doesn't seem likely, you right. So, just like with all these wars, when it comes to AI, we will also need some kind of miracle.

[PurpleTree]

Non violent resistance homer

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Already in his first term he moved the embassy to Jerusalem (something most countries won’t do) and Kushner etc. so it’s expected. Then the gaza riviera video. I mean it’s a bit of a mess and Netanyahu is just making everything much worse. Only a miracle can stop this nonsense for good.

This isnt good.   We aren't going to be able to get out any time soon now in my opinion. Which is why Trump didn't want to get pulled in.  But here we are.  

[PurpleTree]

Gpt

 

🕵️‍♂️ ICC Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu

 

 

On November 21, 2024, the ICC issued arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, alleging they used starvation as a method of warfare and targeted civilians in Gaza—working under the principle that the court has jurisdiction via Palestine’s membership  .

These were the first-ever warrants issued against leaders of a Western‑aligned democratic nation.

The ICC also issued a warrant for Hamas commander Mohammed Deif, later canceled when his death was confirmed in February 2025  .

 

 

 

 

 

🔄 Israel’s Response

 

 

Israel appealed the ICC’s decision, contesting the court’s jurisdiction and seeking to suspend the warrants  .

Netanyahu’s office called the ICC action “absurd,” “false,” and antisemitic, likening it to a modern-day Dreyfus trial  .

 

 

 

 

 

🌍 International Reactions

 

 

U.S.: President Biden described it as “outrageous” and refused to equate Israeli and Hamas leaders  .

Europe:

Some countries—Belgium, Netherlands, Ireland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Spain—said they would enforce the warrant if Netanyahu entered their territory. However, key states like France, Germany, Italy have expressed doubts, citing legal immunity plus the fact that Israel isn’t an ICC party  .

Notably, Hungary openly defied the warrant, even hosting Netanyahu in April 2025. It has since announced plans to withdraw from the ICC treaty, effective June 2026  .

 

⚖️ ICC Court Proceedings

 

 

The ICC prosecutor, Karim Khan, has requested the judges not to withdraw the warrants, urging they remain valid while jurisdictional challenges proceed  .

Meanwhile, Khan is under a separate misconduct investigation, which sparked scrutiny over the timing of the warrant’s announcement  .

 

🔍 Recent Updates

 

 

Hungary formally initiating its exit from the ICC (to take effect June 2026), possibly tied to its refusal to arrest Netanyahu during his visit  .

Europe debating a unified stance: the G7 had previously vowed to stand as one on such matters, though divisions persist  .

 

📌 Bottom Line

 

 

Netanyahu remains under ICC arrest warrant, but enforcement is politically unfeasible—no ICC nation has physically detained him.

Israel continues to challenge jurisdiction and immunity, and the court process is ongoing.

Europe remains divided, with some states pledging to enforce the warrant and others mounting legal counterclaims.

 

[Inliytened1]

27 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Gpt

 

🕵️‍♂️ ICC Arrest Warrant for Netanyahu

 

 

On November 21, 2024, the ICC issued arrest warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, alleging they used starvation as a method of warfare and targeted civilians in Gaza—working under the principle that the court has jurisdiction via Palestine’s membership  .

These were the first-ever warrants issued against leaders of a Western‑aligned democratic nation.

The ICC also issued a warrant for Hamas commander Mohammed Deif, later canceled when his death was confirmed in February 2025  .

 

 

 

 

 

🔄 Israel’s Response

 

 

Israel appealed the ICC’s decision, contesting the court’s jurisdiction and seeking to suspend the warrants  .

Netanyahu’s office called the ICC action “absurd,” “false,” and antisemitic, likening it to a modern-day Dreyfus trial  .

 

 

 

 

 

🌍 International Reactions

 

 

U.S.: President Biden described it as “outrageous” and refused to equate Israeli and Hamas leaders  .

Europe:

Some countries—Belgium, Netherlands, Ireland, Lithuania, Slovenia, Spain—said they would enforce the warrant if Netanyahu entered their territory. However, key states like France, Germany, Italy have expressed doubts, citing legal immunity plus the fact that Israel isn’t an ICC party  .

Notably, Hungary openly defied the warrant, even hosting Netanyahu in April 2025. It has since announced plans to withdraw from the ICC treaty, effective June 2026  .

 

⚖️ ICC Court Proceedings

 

 

The ICC prosecutor, Karim Khan, has requested the judges not to withdraw the warrants, urging they remain valid while jurisdictional challenges proceed  .

Meanwhile, Khan is under a separate misconduct investigation, which sparked scrutiny over the timing of the warrant’s announcement  .

 

🔍 Recent Updates

 

 

Hungary formally initiating its exit from the ICC (to take effect June 2026), possibly tied to its refusal to arrest Netanyahu during his visit  .

Europe debating a unified stance: the G7 had previously vowed to stand as one on such matters, though divisions persist  .

 

📌 Bottom Line

 

 

Netanyahu remains under ICC arrest warrant, but enforcement is politically unfeasible—no ICC nation has physically detained him.

Israel continues to challenge jurisdiction and immunity, and the court process is ongoing.

Europe remains divided, with some states pledging to enforce the warrant and others mounting legal counterclaims.

 

So basically it means nothing.   He gets to be a tyrant and continue to be a bully.

[PurpleTree]

37 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

So basically it means nothing.   He gets to be a tyrant and continue to be a bully.

I think it’s a good step in rhe right direction. Of course he claimed antisemitism. And Israel and the US attacked the ICC and its members.

[Inliytened1]

18 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I think it’s a good step in rhe right direction. Of course he claimed antisemitism. And Israel and the US attacked the ICC and its members.

Of course he did.

[Davino]

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[GroovyGuru]

There are a couple things I'm wondering about and would like to hear input from anyone who has it.

1. Why would Iran agree to a ceasefire if they have Israel on the ropes?

2. Considering the actions of Israel and the US during the last 2 weeks, Iran now has no choice but to acquire a nuclear weapon. This will only solidify their position. Did the US miscalculate somewhere? If regime change is not accomplished efficiently and quickly, how do they deal with the new realities of Iran getting a weapon? This will only impede their long-term ambitions.

[Inliytened1]

16 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

 

1. Why would Iran agree to a ceasefire if they have Israel on the ropes?

 

Iran is going to get their ass handed to them.  They can build deep underground- but now you have the US prodding around sending bombs.  They aren't going to be able to hide the nukes because of the strength of US intelligence. 

Lucky for the US Iran was already building.  So that question is null.

Edited Tuesday at 03:16 PM by Inliytened1

[GroovyGuru]

@Inliytened1 Your response does not make any sense to me. Why would Iran not just rebuild what ever was destroyed and continue enriching uranium? I would bet they have additional facilities and resources that are not even known. There are satellite images of tons of cargo trucks at the Fordow facility before the strike. Does anyone know where they moved everything? If they did nothing, that would just invite the US and Israel to continue behaving this way until they get what they want. So I just don't understand or agree with your logic about Iran not working to either build or purchase a weapon.

Edited Tuesday at 03:26 PM by GroovyGuru

[Joshe]

8 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

Actually there is an opposition called Restart and it's one of the alternatives for regime change in Iran and the fans of it claim that its leader Hosseini is the ally of Trump and he is Q and Trump is Q+.

And that Trump's goal is to help him take Iran and make it back into Persia.

I just wanted to know if people in America have heard of it or not.

It seems that you have.

That’s hilarious. Yes, Qanon was a very big deal and is still alive, although maybe diminished by 60-70%. The majority of Americans are aware of Qanon. It’s often made fun of on late night TV and political satire. The country was overtaken by it a few years back, and Trump was winking and nodding to the movement at his rallies by opening with the Qanon theme song. Trump played into and made the idiots believe it was all true, but it was so batshit, he could never say it out loud and had to deny knowing about Qanon to reporters. I think most who bought into incurred repressed shame as a result of seeing how stupid they were being. My full-grown adult sister literally believed democrats were drinking baby blood. As soon as the culture at large started making fun of Qanon’s idiocy, the movement started to dwindle. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:31 PM by Joshe

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, GroovyGuru said:

@Inliytened1 Your response does not make any sense to me. Why would Iran not just rebuild what ever was destroyed and continue enriching uranium? I would bet they have additional facilities and resources that are not even known. There are satellite images of tons of cargo trucks at the Fordow facility before the strike. Does anyone know where they moved everything? If they did nothing, that would just invite the US and Israel to continue behaving this way until they get what they want. So I just don't understand or agree with your logic about Iran not working to either build or purchase a weapon.

It's not going to deter Iran if that's what you're saying.  But it could make things more difficult for them now that there is an active aim to prevent them.  Israel saw what they were doing. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:32 PM by Inliytened1

[Atb210201]

15 minutes ago, Joshe said:

That’s hilarious. Yes, Qanon was a very big deal and is still alive, although maybe diminished by 60-70%. The majority of Americans are aware of Qanon. It’s often made fun of on late night TV and political satire. The country was overtaken by it a few years back, and Trump was winking and nodding to the movement at his rallies by opening with the Qanon theme song. Trump played into and made the idiots believe it was all true, but it was so batshit, he could never say it out loud and had to deny knowing about Qanon to reporters. I think most who bought into incurred repressed shame as a result of seeing how stupid they were being. My full-grown adult sister literally believed democrats were drinking baby blood. As soon as the culture at large started making fun of Qanon’s idiocy, the movement started to dwindle. 

 

Oh great info thanks.

I don't know about the theories it had over there in America much, but I do know this that this Restart Leader Hosseini and Trump are showing too many signs to me that they are actually together. Idk.

I'd love to see that happen if that's really the case.

Edited Tuesday at 03:45 PM by Atb210201