Is the US now at war with Iran? (US vs. Iran Discussion)

[Inliytened1]

6 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

You are talking about Israel being so stuck in the victim mindset they are creating the conditions where it is survival. There were thousands of options but this route they've taken.

 

 

 

You cut me to the quick.  Did you forget about Oct 7fh,  care to explain that or was that from built up resentment from 1982 as well?

[BlueOak]

6 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You cut me to the quick.  Did you forget about Oct 7fh,  care to explain that or was that from built up resentment from 1982 as well?

*And BTW, so did the other side contribute to it; its a mutual creation. That's what people here don't want to hear or face, and you'd be better served talking about.

I edited that after posting, but I'm glad you posted this, because it's a step in the right direction. They also created this reality, but I would not focus on 1 date, the second part of that is FAR better.

In fact, if I were you, I would focus on the regional policy of Iran, the mindset of Hamas, the regional policy of Israel, and their victim mindset. I would start to talk about how the conditioned mind of those in the region views the existence of israel and how you could forge a future where you are accepted and neighbors not an invading party. I would speak about how to make Israel feel like they were not surrounded by enemies.

All my arguments would be based around this mutual coexistance, I'd base this entire thread around it if I could wave a wand, it'd be more productive and might actually make progress that would filter through to other discussions and communities.

Edited yesterday at 06:20 AM by BlueOak

[Inliytened1]

13 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

*And BTW, so did the other side contribute to it; its a mutual creation. That's what people here don't want to hear or face, and you'd be better served talking about.

I edited that after posting, but I'm glad you posted this, because it's a step in the right direction. They also created this reality, but I would not focus on 1 date, the second part of that is FAR better.

In fact, if I were you, I would focus on the regional policy of Iran, the mindset of Hamas, the regional policy of Israel, and their victim mindset. 

And what do you believe is the essence of Iran's regime?  What is the mindset of Hamas? Then let's look into the eyes of the average Iranian and tell me.  Is he deceived?   I've been told here, by Iranians..that there sole purpose and the purpose of their government, is in fact to bring about the downfall of America.   This is quite frightening..but is it true?

 

Edited yesterday at 06:34 AM by Inliytened1

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And what do you believe is the essence of Iran's regime?  What is the midnset of Hamas? Then let's look into the eyes of the average Iranian and tell me.  And is he deceived?   I've been told here, by Iranians..that there sole purpose and the purpose of their government, is in fact to bring about the downfall of America.   This is quite frightening..but is it true?

 

Most Iranians do not support their government. The fundamentalists are a minority.

Edited yesterday at 06:34 AM by Wilhelm44

[Inliytened1]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Most Iranians do not support their government.

Why do you think that is?

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Why do you think that is?

It's just a numbers game, most people in the country are not fundamentalist Muslim. The minority of fundamentalists of course do support their government.

[Inliytened1]

7 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Most Iranians do not support their government. The fundamentalists are a minority.

Where are you from?

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Inliytened1 said:

Where are you from?

I already told you, South africa. My wife is British Iranian. Most her family still live in Iran. She visited Tehran a couple of months ago.

[Loveeee]

How do americans cope with what their government is doing everywhere especially Gaza, Iran etc, there should be uproar, I'm only french yet already ashamed of my own flag, these 🇫🇷🇺🇲🇮🇱 are symbols of oppression 

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

It's just a numbers game, most people in the country are not fundamentalist Muslim. The minority of fundamentalists of course do support their government.

So what are they then? It seems that religion and government are heavily intertwined into this blue society.  Would you set them at stage red or blue?  

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Loveeee said:

How do americans cope with what their government is doing everywhere especially Gaza, Iran etc, there should be uproar, I'm only french yet already ashamed of my own flag, these 🇫🇷🇺🇲🇮🇱 are symbols of oppression 

In the same way thats its hard to face our own bs, its also hard to do it collectively.

[Ajay0]

India has friendly relations with both Israel and Iran, so obviously the best case scenario we seek is a friendly relationship between them as well, with issues sorted out by diplomacy and negotations.

But for that to happen, the conflict must first stop before it creates larger fissures and mistrust between them.

Interestingly , India gave refuge to the Iranian Zoroastrians centuries back during the arab invasions and this has helped create a good relationship between India and Iran in modern times.

India is also considered the only country on earth which has never persecuted its jewish population, and this has also helped create the basis for a good relationship between Israel and India.

I am hoping that India can use its diplomatic resources to somehow end the conflict and patch up ties between them in the future.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

How do americans cope with what their government is doing everywhere especially Gaza, Iran etc, there should be uproar, I'm only french yet already ashamed of my own flag, these 🇫🇷🇺🇲🇮🇱 are symbols of oppression 

Honestly most of them don't even know what's happening in Gaza.  That's probably the saddest part of the whole thing.  The average American has no clue.

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Inliytened1 said:

So what are they then? It seems that religion and government are heavily intertwined into this blue society.  Would you set them at stage red or blue?  

According to my wife the majority of Iranians are very materialistic, so there will be a lot of stage orange also. Iranians have a rich history, they quite an intellectual people as well.

[Inliytened1]

2 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

According to my wife the majority of Iranians are very materialistic, so there will be a lot of stage orange also. Iranians have a rich history, they quite an intellectual people as well.

Cool.

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, Ajay0 said:

India has friendly relations with both Israel and Iran, so obviously the best case scenario we seek is a friendly relationship between them as well, with issues sorted out by diplomacy and negotations.

But for that to happen, the conflict must first stop before it creates larger fissures and mistrust between them.

Interestingly , India gave refuge to the Iranian Zoroastrians centuries back during the arab invasions and this has helped create a good relationship between India and Iran in modern times.

India is also considered the only country on earth which has never persecuted its jewish population, and this has also helped create the basis for a good relationship between Israel and India.

I am hoping that India can use its diplomatic resources to somehow end the conflict and patch up ties between them in the future.

That would be amazing.

[Wilhelm44]

Yeah the world needs some proper peace makers.

[BlueOak]

31 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

And what do you believe is the essence of Iran's regime?  What is the mindset of Hamas? Then let's look into the eyes of the average Iranian and tell me.  Is he deceived?   I've been told here, by Iranians..that there sole purpose and the purpose of their government, is in fact to bring about the downfall of America.   This is quite frightening..but is it true?

 

I was more hoping people from the region would comment, but I guess we can start with a distant perspective like mine in need of realignment, because that's what we are asking for: clarity.

I'd say a percentage of Iran this is is true for.  That's why the conditions for WW3 are still present. Same in Russia, same in China, Same in India etc. There is a lot of built-up hate for the west. Iran is a regional power trying to control the region, and they do this through proxy states, cultural influence and religious influence. Its less so a military influence, though the arms certainly allow for that. They have been supplying a heck of a lot of weapons which are being fired directly at Ukrainian civilians for years, for example, and at Israel for decades.

Hamas are desperate people, largely teenagers. That are indoctrinated through fear and religion into wanting to destroy israel. This is now being reflected by Israel to do the same.

America is a foreign power trying to control the oil in the region with their lobbies bought out by Israel. They are being run by a wannabe dictator, strongman, who must now demonstrate strength to maintain his means of control.

On the Meta the masculine element focused on authority present in the world is in an aggressive and expressive state. Rather than protecting and building internal order, this is evident in everything from red pill communities, sovereign citizen encounters or auditors, through to authoritarian regimes. It's a big imbalance that I've been grappling with understanding all my life.

At present, many powerful authoritarian states (i'm including America at this point) are using and expressing war/aggression as a means of control. They are trying to extend their authority further than it currently sits in a bid to control others, aka the uncontrollable. -  They cultivate this hate to maintain power and social cohesion.

Its a volatile. It creates fear, which they then need to further extend authority over. Because these governments are shunning the feminine aspects of life, while complaining they don't exist, instead of providing space and protection for them to thrive.
 

Edited yesterday at 07:01 AM by BlueOak

[Inliytened1]

10 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

I was more hoping people from the region would comment, but I guess we can start with a distant perspective like mine in need of realignment, because that's what we are asking for: clarity.

I'd say a percentage of Iran this is is true for.  That's why the conditions for WW3 are still present. Same in Russia, same in China, Same in India etc. There is a lot of built-up hate for the west. Iran is a regional power trying to control the region, and they do this through proxy states, cultural influence and religious influence. Its less so a military influence, though the arms certainly allow for that. They have been supplying a heck of a lot of weapons which are being fired directly at Ukrainian civilians for years, for example, and at Israel for decades.

Hamas are desperate people, largely teenagers. That are indoctrinated through fear and religion into wanting to destroy israel. This is now being reflected by Israel to do the same.

America is a foreign power trying to control the oil in the region with their lobbies bought out by Israel. They are being run by a wannabe dictator, strongman, who must now demonstrate strength to maintain his means of control.

On the Meta the masculine element focused on authority present in the world is in an aggressive and expressive state. Rather than protecting and building internal order, this is evident in everything from red pill communities, sovereign citizen encounters or auditors, through to authoritarian regimes. It's a big imbalance that I've been grappling with understanding all my life.

At present, many powerful authoritarian states (i'm including America at this point) are using and expressing war/aggression as a means of control. They are trying to extend their authority further than it currently sits in a bid to control others, aka the uncontrollable. -  They cultivate this hate to maintain power and social cohesion.

Its a volatile. It creates fear, which they then need to further extend authority over. Because these governments are shunning the feminine aspects of life, while complaining they don't exist, instead of providing space and protection for them to thrive.
 

That is a definite imbalance and I never realized it until you brought it up.  If the authoritative leaders incorporated some feminity into their being we probably would have a society where nukes could be abolished.

Edited yesterday at 07:09 AM by Inliytened1

[Joshe]

25 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Honestly most of them don't even know what's happening in Gaza.  That's probably the saddest part of the whole thing.  The average American has no clue.

Even if they did have the facts, they lack the ability to make sense of it. And even if they could make sense of it, they wouldn’t be interested in doing so. This is the saddest thing about the US. They’ve been too comfortable and ignorant for too long in a cushy environment, which has dulled their wits.