The nature of women and spirituality

[Natasha Tori Maru]

What am I reading. Eyes bleeding while I relax, drinking morning coffee. 

People don't care about truth. Keep your gender wars out of it. 

Most men, especially younger, have such a charged up sexual cock energy. This gets in the way of your truth just as much as a woman's emotions get in the way of hers.

Just because you as a man can handle the truth better than a woman, doesn't mean it's more important to men. Men just absorb it and take it on with efficiency and (you would hope) grace. Courage under pressure.

Edited June 20 by Natasha Tori Maru

[zurew]

5 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

That`s relative.

There is only one thing that is absolute and I very much appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

This is the fact that men are spiritually superior by their nature compared to women. I feel dumb, since this is common sense and obvious. If anyone will challenge me on this, I will just go meta and show them how much they dont appreciate how deep relativity goes.

No one understands how deep relativity goes (especially women).

 

[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

There is only one thing that is absolute and I very much appreciate you bringing it to my attention.

This is the fact that men are spiritually superior by their nature compared to women. I feel dumb, since this is common sense and obvious. If anyone will challenge me on this, I will just go meta and show them how much they dont appreciate how deep relativity goes.

No one understands how deep relativity goes (especially women).

That`s relative.

[Keryo Koffa]

31 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is no 'true self'. False and true are one. Neither exist. If the Absolute is a self, then OK, and it's all the self there is.

28 minutes ago, zurew said:

Let me combine neo-advaita with Jordan Peterson to drive home

22 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Why should I answer any of this? That`s relative.

[Puer Aeternus]

4 hours ago, OBEler said:

Men are more interested in truth / God than Women. Most Men are truth seekers. Most Women are emotion seekers.Because of that you rarely see any spiritual woman talking about truth.

Most women don't care at all what reality is really about. Womens nature is to manipulate, to hide truth. They would never ever sacrifice themselves for truth like a man would. If a woman discovers truth/God  they will evaluate that to survival and if it doesn't seem to influence survival they don't care. They don't find beauty in it. They will not think about it for one second and carry on with survival.

This is just my observation. This is also what YouTube reflects. Ask Chatgpt4 about top 100 spiritual gurus. 13 of them are women. That's pretty low. I know there are always exceptions and there will be women who are really knowing about truth and cultivating and embodiment that. But the statistics show you a different picture.

Leo would be way more famous if he would design his teachings not for truth but for getting women attracted to spiritual phantasys. He knows that and still he decided not to do so. Thats pretty rare. That makes his teachings pure. 

So teaching just about radical truth has its costs. One of the costs are excluding women from this teaching.

 

Raaah it's literally the SAME SHIT. Just on different threads, every. Single. DAY. Omg. The same 1-dimensional take. Noooooo women don't care about the truth, MEN MEN MEN. They're just meager fragile creatures who only care about survival, unlike MENNN.

You lot stereotype women and then you stereotype yourself shouting with chest the same recycled take over and over.

Why do you even care so much that this is such a talking point that needs to come up so much? And it's always presented so ferally.

Some of yous should be out and getting some pussy until you don't care about this shit anymore. Then you can stop bitchin and moaning from your meditation cushion with your rod on. If you just want a wife go get a wife no one's making you do this! 

So tiring to witness day in and out. I'm sure it's even less fun to live in this so best of luck. Hope you can get unstuck someday, think I'll be sticking to reading the blog mate.

[Leo Gura]

40 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

doesn't mean it's more important to men.

Truth is more important to men because men require truth to be effective. Women need effectiveness less since their role is to raise children. Raising children requires trading off effectiveness for warmth.

Men require effectiveness in order to be providers. Winning a war for your tribe requires that you prioritize brutal truth over warmth and feelings.

This why the masculine values truth more than the feminine does. The feminine outsources effectiveness to the provider, the man. Women don't need to care about truth as much as men because they have men handle it for them. But if women had to wage and win wars, they would care about truth a lot more.

In a war, getting to the truth is a matter of life and death and requires torturing people. Which is why men do the warring and the torturing, not the women. If a woman was placed in charge of a war, she would not be ruthless enough to win it.

Edited June 20 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Puer Aeternus

1 hour ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

Stereotypes are such a negative term these days. There is nothing wrong with stereotypes. If you try to describe a group of people you Automatically generate stereotypes. So if you blame me for using stereotypes , you will be probably not good in statistics.

 

[Keryo Koffa]

@Puer Aeternus My take is that it's some sort of tradition, like an unspoken rule or a secret handshake.

Maybe it's their way of letting their inner conservative shine and all their inner demons play.

You know how it is, find a demographic to make fun of, feel superior over, and bond with others through.

Edited June 20 by Keryo Koffa

[Natasha Tori Maru]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth is more important to men because men require truth to be effective. Women need effectiveness less since their role is raise children. Raising children requires trading off effectiveness for warmth.

Men require effectiveness in order to be providers. Winning a war for your tribe requires that you prioritize brutal truth over warmth and feelings.

This why the masculine values truth more than the feminine does. The feminine outsources effectiveness to the provider man. Women don't need to care about truth as much as men because they have men handle it for them. But if women has to wage and win wars, they would care about truth a lot more.

Slammed with the cinderblock. Men attend to truth very seriously as application is (generally) the ultimate priority. I would say you are an anomaly in that you persue it for its own sake. Intrinsic feedback loop.

But do you think there could be some more to say about the realms of truth each gender enjoys to swim in? IE a woman may pay attention to emotional truth as a function of communal survival. The truth of their children's emotions, their health (a truth many men ignore) etc. I say this acknowledging that the truth of emotion and it's functions are somewhat less concrete and harder to quantify.

Edited June 20 by Natasha Tori Maru
Editing to add my context is from emotional / spiritual base. Just due to the topic.

[Daniel Balan]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Truth is more important to men because men require truth to be effective. Women need effectiveness less since their role is raise children. Raising children requires trading off effectiveness for warmth.

Men require effectiveness in order to be providers. Winning a war for your tribe requires that you prioritize brutal truth over warmth and feelings.

This why the masculine values truth more than the feminine does. The feminine outsources effectiveness to the provider man. Women don't need to care about truth as much as men because they have men handle it for them. But if women has to wage and win wars, they would care about truth a lot more.

In a war, getting to the truth is a matter of life and death and requires torturing people. Which is why men do the warring and the torturing, not the women. If a woman was placed in charge of a war, she would not be ruthless enough to win it.

I got ptsd just by reading this! Truth this, truth that, it is just my opinion, but you are totally right regarding the men and women dynamic, but you are also corrupting the word truth, big time! You throw the word truth around so much to the point it lost any sense of meaning! Torturing and killing ain't no fucking truth, it is the opposite of that! Did Hitler value truth when he invaded all of Europe? Does the wall street day trader value truth when robbing someone else of their life savings? Of course not! As I said, your post is totally right, but only if you change every instance of the word truth with selfishness. Please, stop corrupting the word truth! It gets on my nerves! Sorry if I came as offensive! 

[Puer Aeternus]

24 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Puer Aeternus

Stereotypes are such a negative term these days. There is nothing wrong with stereotypes. If you try to describe a group of people you Automatically generate stereotypes. So if you blame me for using stereotypes , you will be probably not good in statistics.

 

Aha.

You know what a stereotype is? It's a half baked caricature model of reality. You can make an earnest, nuanced model of reality. Not what you've done mate! 

Proud that you can claim your stereotypical take as it is. Keep talkin to GPT mate, not like there's I dunno.. any structural reason? Why most women wouldn't be able to be popular intellectual figures until the last 100-200 years? Hmm, nah men are just more spiritual. That's exactly what it is.

Edited June 20 by Puer Aeternus

[OBEler]

@Puer Aeternus @Daniel Balan @Puer Aeternus

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

Stereotypes are useful to describe patterns. Don't expect me to create a whole manifest here and that's not needed for a thread in a forum. I nailed it on point: men are more truth seekers than women around history. I gave enough explanation and examples here.

If you think women have no chance to speak about truth because they are still pressured down by men -  go to Instagram or YouTube and have a look.

 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

IE a woman may pay attention to emotional truth as a function of communal survival. The truth of their children's emotions, their health (a truth many men ignore) etc.

Yes.

This is a complicated issue. There is a feminine aspect to truth. It's not all just masculine.

Edited June 20 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

Torturing and killing ain't no fucking truth, it is the opposite of that! Did Hitler value truth when he invaded all of Europe? Does the wall street day trader value truth when robbing someone else of their life savings? Of course not! As I said, your post is totally right, but only if you change every instance of the word truth with selfishness.

Truth is co-opted by ego for survival.

This is a nuanced issue.

Hitler failed precisely because he was disconnected from truth/reality. Which is why he's dead.

Do not be so simple-minded about truth that you forget that truth is necessary for successful survival. Self-deception and bullshit only works up to a point. Eventually you have to be connected to reality to live.

Winning a war requires quite a bit of truthfulness, despite that selfishness and lying that war always includes.

Edited June 21 by Leo Gura

[BlessedLion]

This again 🙄 

This forum has no concept of feminine spirituality and how deep and embodied it is. I was contemplating today how we (most men on the path) spend hours sitting and meditating, trying to “get it” trying to control, while the feminine just lays in the grass and flows with what is- who truly is wiser? 

[Puer Aeternus]

29 minutes ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Aha.

You know what a stereotype is? It's a half baked caricature model of reality. You can make an earnest, nuanced model of reality. Not what you've done mate! 

Proud that you can claim your stereotypical take as it is. Keep talkin to GPT mate, not like there's I dunno.. any structural reason? Why most women wouldn't be able to be popular intellectual figures until the last 100-200 years? Hmm, nah men are just more spiritual. That's exactly what it is.

Want an actual model? An actually decent model? I'll pull a better model out of my ass. 

 

We'll call it the truth/spirituality indicator model!

We'll indicate some metrics that may make someone more likely to seek truth/spirituality. But are by no means a be all end all. 

Let's play along with your indicator here.. and say men more likely than women for truth/spirituality. 

That's basically the only metric you've given us here to gauge things on! Those damn women, so emotionally allergic to truth. If only they were born with cocks.

But. We can add more indicators here..

Were you born in a stable, relatively free country? Stability more likely for spirituality/truth

IF NOT born in a stable country, were you born in a stable family who sustained themselves financially? Family stability more likely for spirituality/truth

Did your family members value spirituality/truth and pass these values down to you? Spirituality/truth valuing family more likely for spirituality 

What are your genetics/karma/whatever unique nature you've inherited? Some genetics more likely for spirituality/truth.

What is your personality type? Some personality types more likely for spirituality/truth.

Is spirituality/truth more valued in your culture/society or is it more repressed? More cultural values on spirituality/truth more likely for spirituality/truth.

What is the GLOBAL level of consciousness and what scaffolded ideas are popular and widespread in global culture? More conscious = more likely for spirituality/truth.

Do you have severe childhood trauma that will more easily keep you bogged in survival/dysfunction? Less trauma more likely for spirituality/truth.

What was your education like? Did you get any? Was it fairly open ended or more like religious indoctrination? More open education more likely for spirituality/truth.

How open to change are you? Do you often change or do you mostly stay the same or change less than others around you? More open to growth means more likely for spirituality/truth.

Not that these are perfect indicators. Or even a great model. Or that many won't have exceptions! 

But it's better than just the little male/female indicator. You can say it's more than that, but y'all yap about it sooo much and hardly talk about the rest.

Yet it's this constant harping on one small indicator. Not even close to the most important one! Most people aren't interested in this shit.. but still, it's. Blah blah women this women that. You see why it drives some of us crazy? 

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

 

Stereotypes are useful to describe patterns. Don't expect me to create a whole manifest here and that's not needed for a thread in a forum. I nailed it on point: men are more truth seekers than women around history. I gave enough explanation and examples here.

If you think women have no chance to speak about truth because they are still pressured down by men -  go to Instagram or YouTube and have a look

Why not make an actually good model? 

Instead, you've just made the same lazy take that half the men here regurgitate on the regular. Beating the dead horse through to the afterlife. But sure! You can be proud that you've nailed your one little, tiny variable on the head.

Ahhh yes. The history one isn't getting through to you. And yesss totally totally, the influential legacy left over from literal milenia before feminism is basically not impactful too? Brilliant.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

while the feminine just lays in the grass and flows with what is- who truly is wiser? 

That was my only comment in this thread. Why argue over which gender is more spiritually inclined or who seeks truth more. Each one of us is only 1/8billion and most truth seekers aren't probably on social media advertising their quest for truth so no one really knows. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

This again 🙄 

This forum has no concept of feminine spirituality and how deep and embodied it is. I was contemplating today how we (most men on the path) spend hours sitting and meditating, trying to “get it” trying to control, while the feminine just lays in the grass and flows with what is- who truly is wiser? 

It's always limited perspective that gets in the way ! 

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

while the feminine just lays in the grass and flows with what is

This is true.

However, it is not the same as the results achieved through rigorous truth-seeking.

There is merit to feminine spirituality, however it does not beat nor reach pure God-Realization.

Just because you can flow with the grass does not mean you've cracked God.

Edited June 20 by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes.

This is a complicated issue. There is a feminine aspect to truth. It's not all just masculine.

Yes yes, we are in agreement. Concrete truths that makeup frameworks for understanding are easier to apply in other realms.

Emotions, feelings - much harder to pin down. Less concrete. Interpreting them is much more conceptual, so building a framework to understand is difficult when there arent as many clear facts to whittle down to.

Each gender (masculine/feminine) has their own 'truthiness' lane.