The nature of women and spirituality

[zurew]

Just now, Keryo Koffa said:

Masculinity sounds pretty girlish to me, caring about how others make you feel and dedicating your life to throwing tantrums and holding petty grudges that dictate self-abandonment and identity posturing, then distracting and overcompensating through escapist "truth seeking".

The "boys will be boys" phrase actually means "boys will be enlightened masters thanks to their nature" according to highly secure and confident men.

[Eskilon]

21 minutes ago, zurew said:

Im sure that you have an argument that shows why the difference is explained by nature and not by social conditioning and culture.

I never said that it was only by nature. There are complex factors and you can`t really separate them neatly as you are saying here. It`s all intertwined.

 

21 minutes ago, zurew said:

You can rule out the possibility that a bunch of women were and are spiritually advanced its just that they dont want to be gurus and they dont and didnt want social recognition.

Yes lets engage in possibilities that goes against what history shows us. Very smart of you here haha. You can say this to any point, about anything. 

Edited June 20 by Eskilon

[Keryo Koffa]

5 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

14 minutes ago, zurew said:

Yeah and mom is also evil since she make me feel insecure.

Did you forget the first woman was called Eve(l)? 

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[Schizophonia]

3 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Did you forget the first woman was called Eve(l)? 

 

eheh

[zurew]

1 minute ago, Eskilon said:

Yes lets engange in possibilities that goes against what history shows us.

"lets not even entertain these possibilities because just the thought that something can threaten the idea that Im superior by my nature makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable"

So what empirical evidence do you have that establish that in general men are spiritually superior than women? 

[Nemra]

29 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Yeah I should have said more men than women pursue truth.

Yeah, but I think the number of those men is too small.

If we are going to account for all the people who are more masculine, I think that they are more capable of handling the truth and using it to manipulate others. Generally, they are interested in truth as long as it benefits them.

I would say that both men and women manipulate.

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[Eskilon]

1 minute ago, zurew said:

"lets not even entertain these possibilities because just the thought that something can threaten the idea that Im superior by my nature makes me feel incredibly uncomfortable"

So what empirical evidence do you have that establish that in general men are spiritually superior than women? 

You go on entertaining nonsense possibilities. You can play those games, existence allow for it -- be grateful, because you seem to derive great joy from it.

 

2 minutes ago, zurew said:

So what empirical evidence do you have that establish that in general men are spiritually superior than women? 

Use some common sense, read books, develop some basic intuition and you should find out the answer. And also, I am not saying spiritually superior. You are putting words in my mouth. You attitude is always like this, not pleasant to speak with. No point in talking further, out.

[zurew]

18 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

Did you forget the first woman was called Eve

Its not just that, but the serpent must have had female nature as well.

[UnbornTao]

4 hours ago, Eskilon said:

Yes there are various factors(physical, psychological, cultural and more) as to why men seek these paths more than women(in general). I don't need to lay out them in details for you or anyone to see what I am saying lol.

That's not what I said. Not many enlightened women are widely-known partly due to their historical roles in many cultures. It seems to be true that, generally speaking, men are more likely to become hermits or monks-philosophers, while women are more socially-oriented or outgoing. In any case, both sexes are completely capable of this pursuit. It simply requires commitment and the discipline to follow through.

Is it a "male" self or a "female" self? It's a self, after all - doing work that threatens its (presumed) existence. It isn't easy for anyone. 

Edited June 20 by UnbornTao

[Keryo Koffa]

3 minutes ago, zurew said:

Its not just that, but the serpent must have had female nature as well.

And the most mischievous of all, God is a Girl!!

Edited June 20 by Keryo Koffa

[UnbornTao]

... and God said: 

"Let there be misogyny!" 

Edited June 20 by UnbornTao

[Eskilon]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It seems to be true that, generally speaking, men are more likely to become hermits or monks-philosophers, while women seem to be more socially-oriented or outgoing

That's my point all along. And the OP point, its pretty simple no need to complicate it.

[Eskilon]

5 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

In any case, both sexes are completely capable of this pursuit. It simply requires commitment and the discipline to follow through.

Is it a "male" self or a "female" self? It's a self, after all - doing work that threatens its (presumed) existence. It isn't easy for anyone. 

Yes, never said anything about capability. 

[OBEler]

There is no woman meditating in a cave alone.

There is no woman watching in the sky for hours in the hope for seeing UFOs.

There is no woman playing Zelda , looking for Easter eggs.

There is no woman watching documentaries about dinosaurs.

There is no woman searching for absolute truth.

They don't have curiosity outside of their personal stuff.

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[zurew]

9 minutes ago, Keryo Koffa said:

God is a Girl!!

You can fuck with conservative Christians with bringing up the argument that since Jesus only had a mother (and no biological father), he probably only had xx chromosomes, so he must have been a trans man.

And if Jesus taken to be God, then God is a trans man.

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[zurew]

Since we know that testosterone is what makes you a truth seeker, have you guys seen that highly advanced and conscious guy called Ronnie Coleman?

If you want to advance your spiritual game, you need to take some shots.

[kbone]

@OBEler

Very often what precipitates a search for Truth is a high degree of delusion, and that might give rise to a speerchal crisis that sends the mind off in search of an 'answer' (i.e., Truth). Then, of course, there's often the identity's 'personal' need for validation and being 'right' that tends to extend the search and/or the absurdities that often make speerchuality such a mess (i.e., misty-cism). Not sure what that says about men, hehe.  

Of course, seeking it, pontificating on it (often prematurely), and drawing strange lower mind-based conclusions (supposedly) based on 'truth' are often quite different than Truth itself.

I recently read a post by Emerald that suggested what might actually induce a healthier discussion than the 'men v women' stance.

 

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[Eskilon]

13 minutes ago, zurew said:

Since we know that testosterone is what makes you a truth seeker, have you guys seen that highly advanced and conscious guy called Ronnie Coleman?

If you want to advance your spiritual game, you need to take some shots.

You need to advance your bait game. Quite weak I must say.

[Basman]

I see guys more into abstract thinking compared to women but I don't think that women are necessarily less capable. There are plenty of female philosopher throughout history, though a minority. Women tend to be more contextual in their thinking, focusing more on concrete situations and relationships.

 

[zurew]

36 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

That's my point all along. And the OP point, its pretty simple no need to complicate it.

Yeah its not at all that OP explicitly emphasized  "nature" multiple times in his post. Its not at all that the fucking title of this thread is about women's nature. Like please tell us more about how we misread the situation.

Its also not at all like you showed resistance multiple times to the idea that the collected facts should be questioned. The idea that women werent forthcoming with their spirituality and that there were witch trials and the idea that women didnt want to become gurus - those are nonsencial to you and shouldnt even be entertained and you are super confident that the collected facts are an accurate representation on this issue.

It would be very hard to say "given the limitation of the data we have, the indication is that men are more oriented/likely to pursue spirituality". No, for some reason we have to say that we have very high quality data on this.

Edited June 20 by zurew