Israel launches attack on Iran

[Twentyfirst]

10m European Jews feel uncomfortable at Iran having nukes. But 500m native middle easterners feel uncomfortable of Israel having nukes. Who is more important? When a minority tries to act like a majority shit goes south. That's why the woke never worked in the US

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Quite clear the CIA and Mossad are plotting to overthrow the Iranian regime through assassination and funding opposition groups.

That wouldn’t be nearly enough. They are targeting banks and energy infrastructure, they also bombed a hospital and news station. They may be trying to turn it into a failed state to cause an uprising. But even that probably won’t be enough without serious boots on the ground.

Also iran may go for broke and start bombing gulf oil fields and closing the strait to massively rise oil prices and crash the world economy if it comes to that.

Edited June 17 by Raze

[PurpleTree]

9 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Don't have them just a gut feeling that it might actually be true.

Although the ones saying it also say that they've got proofs but I haven't seen one yet.

Maybe it’s just hunger.

[LordFall]

4 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

But even many of those people who don’t agree with the government and are more democratic think it’s a better idea to have nukes after they saw what happened with Iraq, Syria, Ukraine etc. or so i heard.

They think is a better idea to antagonize Israel and the US over just not making nuclear weapons? Highly doubt that 

[Twentyfirst]

Israel just needs to be dismantled. Can't make solutions with somebody who doesn't want to 

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, LordFall said:

They think is a better idea to antagonize Israel and the US over just not making nuclear weapons? Highly doubt that 

why? Countries without nukes that resist get picked off one by one. Iraq, Libya, Syria. 

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israel just needs to be dismantled. Can't make solutions with somebody who doesn't want to 

Honestly, we need the USA to get dismantled too. Can't believe you westerners still don't see how evil it is compared to everyone else. Go back to sleepy sleep babies, pay your taxes maybe you'll get that cookie you always dreamed about

[Puer Aeternus]

22 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Honestly, we need the USA to get dismantled too. Can't believe you westerners still don't see how evil it is compared to everyone else. Go back to sleepy sleep babies, pay your taxes maybe you'll get that cookie you always dreamed about

Well yes. U.S. is worse than people want to admit.

But it is not so differently "evil" from the others. Sure there's variations but at the end of the day, most global politics are power politics. The strong do what they can and the weak do what they must.

U.S. seems extra evil because they've been at the top of the food chain. They meddle in other countries, start wars, support proxies, overthrow governments for their own interests. They have immense power and resources to do so.

However, if the U.S. lost all power tomorrow, this sort of thing wouldn't stop happening. The game would change and so would the players, but not the underlying mechanics driving conflict and power. Some places would be better and some not. The power players would become more regional, more multipolar. Major countries like China, Russia, EU/major member states would fill the void and expand their already occuring exploits.

[PurpleTree]

 

[Twentyfirst]

6 minutes ago, Puer Aeternus said:

Well yes. U.S. is worse than people want to admit.

But it is not so differently "evil" from the others. Sure there's variations but at the end of the day, most global politics are power politics. The strong do what they can and the weak do what they must.

U.S. seems extra evil because they've been at the top of the food chain. They meddle in other countries, start wars, support proxies, overthrow governments for their own interests. They have immense power and resources to do so.

However, if the U.S. lost all power tomorrow, this sort of thing wouldn't stop happening. The game would change and so would the players, but not the underlying mechanics driving conflict and power. Some places would be better and some not. The power players would become more regional, more multipolar. Major countries like China, Russia, EU/major member states would fill the void and expand their already occuring exploits.

Still, there is soft power which would be better. I wouldn't mind China expansion if it meant I get high speed rail without any violence and to retain my culture 

Edited June 17 by Twentyfirst

[PurpleTree]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Still, there is soft power which would be better. I wouldn't mind China expansion if it meant I get high speed rail without any violence and to retain my culture 

Retain your culture like the Xinjangers, Hong Kongers? Like all the artists that went to jail and had to flee? Like all the people that vanished without a trace?

[Twentyfirst]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Retain your culture like the Xinjangers, Hong Kongers? Like all the artists that went to jail and had to flee? Like all the people that vanished without a trace?

What percentage of Chinese expansion is like this though? I am not saying they are perfect either 

[Puer Aeternus]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

Still, there is soft power which would be better. I wouldn't mind China expansion if it meant I get high speed rail without any violence

Very true! It would be interesting to see things done differently, though I'm not super optimistic. Clearly current affairs aren't great.

I need to study China more. To try and dissect the smokescreen of propaganda to find out what's actually real.

2 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Retain your culture like the Xinjangers, Hong Kongers? Like all the artists that went to jail and had to flee? Like all the people that vanished without a trace?

Haha yeah they seem to be strict within their own borders. Uyghurs as well and the Taiwan threat. More distant from their immediate borders could be different policy and interesting though. Like belt and road initiative. Whether this would shift or not if U.S. competition faded out though.. Who knows. It's just ehh pros and cons, different winners different losers.

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

You really think that the highest purpose of Iran is to destroy Israel? 

They said it themselves countless times. If you generally believe them, so why you don't believe them when they serve it to you on a silver platter?

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Israels purpose is literally to destroy nations because thats the only way it gets money from its superpower ally 

So why did Israel make lasting peace with multiple Arab nations?

Conspiracies like mushrooms after the rain.

Edited June 18 by Nivsch

[Joshe]

I’m calling it. Trump is going to attack Iran. 

What do y’all think would likely unfold if that were to happen? 

[Atb210201]

2 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Maybe it’s just hunger.

Lol maybe.

[Atb210201]

6 minutes ago, Joshe said:

I’m calling it. Trump is going to attack Iran. 

What do y’all think would likely unfold if that were to happen? 

Yes he will attack.

But his attack will be different from Netanyahu.

And also he is not after the same goal as Netanyahu.

We'll see.

Edited June 18 by Atb210201

[Twentyfirst]

59 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

They said it themselves countless times. If you generally believe them, so why you don't believe them when they serve it to you on a silver platter?

Should I remind you of the genocidal rhetoric to nuke gaza and erase the animals from members of high position in Israel just this year?

59 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

So why did Israel make lasting peace with multiple Arab nations?

Conspiracies like mushrooms after the rain.

War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

[Twentyfirst]

 

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