Greta Thunberg boat tracker

[Nemra]

7 hours ago, Nivsch said:

Or maybe because she started to dress like a terrorist and to sound just like the evilness she wants to fight against.

What?

[Raze]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's not a recognition de facto, is ask for concessions in exchange for nothing.

It’s the opposite, Hamas’s whole argument was they shouldn’t recognize Israel unless Israel first recognizes Palestine. The PA disagreed and recognized israel, Israel’s response was to take their land and build settlements, proving Hamas right.

Their offer was not giving nothing, it was offering peace.

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

My narrative isn't that the Zionists are "good," it's that they've perceived a threat from the Arabs for 100 years. If you want real concessions, the threat must cease completely: Israel must be wiped off the map, as Iran, for example, proclaims. Then we can try to negotiate a Palestinian state, since in the absence of a mortal threat, the Progressive Party can win the elections. Otherwise, people like Netanyahu, who promote more violence because it suits them, will always win. Doing something stupid like 7Oct gives wings to radical Zionists. You think it was a legitimate manifestation of weariness; I think it was a supreme stupidity that led to the destruction of Gaza.

Your narrative is that Arab states won’t remove the threat which is why Israel continues violence.

This is wrong, as I’ve pointed out to you about seven times now, Arab states have offered israel full normalization decades ago, israel rejected it.

It is israel rejecting removing the threat, not the Arab states.

Iran is irrelevant, they’ve also said they are against any fight with Israel and instead just fund rebel groups. Both Hamas and Hezbollah who they fund offered to cease fighting if a Palestinian state was established. Israel rejected this.

Edited June 10 by Raze

[samijiben]

@Raze dude, how do you fund rebel groups whose explicit aim is the annihilation of a peoples and be irrelavnt??? Wtf?

[samijiben]

Houthi Slogan: Death to America, Death to Israel, long live Islam

Uhh, yea, right! Fair game!

[Raze]

5 hours ago, samijiben said:

@Raze dude, how do you fund rebel groups whose explicit aim is the annihilation of a peoples and be irrelavnt??? Wtf?

Because 

1) those groups have no capability to destroy israel

2) they only do that because the US and Israel are trying to strangle them and they’re doing it to counter this

Even Iran signed onto the peace initiative 

https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2017/12/israel-iran-hassan-rouhani-istanbul-arab-peace-initiative.html

But Israel rejects it because it requires ending the apartheid

[Nivsch]

7 hours ago, Raze said:

It’s the opposite, Hamas’s whole argument was they shouldn’t recognize Israel unless Israel first recognizes Palestine.

Oslo agreement has only brought more terror inside Israel. hamas doesn't want any agreement or solution which recognize Israel's right to exist.

[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Oslo agreement has only brought more terror inside Israel. hamas doesn't want any agreement or solution which recognize Israel's right to exist.

Oslo didn’t grant Palestinians self determination, it was just to buy time to destroy their hopes further, Netanyahu himself bragged about how he sabotaged it on leaked videos.

[Nivsch]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Oslo didn’t grant Palestinians self determination, it was just to buy time to destroy their hopes further, Netanyahu himself bragged about how he sabotaged it on leaked videos.

To buy tons of weapon to the Palestinian authority, withdrawing from lands, international funding to the Palestinians and public mutual recognition. These are very high risks for Israel to be just "time purchasing".

Edited June 10 by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

19 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Oslo agreement has only brought more terror inside Israel. hamas doesn't want any agreement or solution which recognize Israel's right to exist.

The core issue in my opinion is that when people feel like they have no other choice or option they will resort to radical far rights components of their society.

The far right has always gained power at times of crisis, when people were desperate

Hamas is nothing more than the extreme far right component of Palestinian society, similar to how the Nazis were the extreme far right compoent of German society 

Smotrich and Ben Gvir are the extreme far right component of Israeli society

The  extreme far right is brutal, toxic and not conductive to peace

The only way to solve this is to remove the need for the extreme far right to begin with

In the case of Palestine it is to establish a Palestinian state with a co-goverment monitored by the Arab states and UN

I am pretty sure if Palestinians had no more occupation, siege and abuse they would slowly turn away from their far right elements and embrace more moderate elements.

This would in turn eventually reduce and finally eliminate the terrorist attacks in Israel which would lead to the extreme far right in Isarel being replaced by more moderate voices.

That cannot be done in my opinion without a palestinian state

I am not saying it will be instant, but in the mid to long run things will improve.

Otherwise you can indeed destroy Hamas but they will be eventually replaced by another extreme far right group and there will not be peace

There were terrorist attacks in Israel before Hamas you know.

The PLO used to do such attacks and they were not religious zealots as far as I know, they were more nationalistic group. So to just blame it on radical Islam is not a serious argument.

Just because Hamas uses religion as their fuel does not mean another more nationalist extreme far right group will replace them that will not use religion as their fuel but simply past grievences and the constant abuses Israelis do to Palestinians on a daily basis

The current Israeli government not only does not think like this, they double down on their illegal settlements alongside other war crimes in Gaza.

Edited June 10 by Karmadhi

[samijiben]

@Raze I cannot access the article behind the link you posted above as it is a paid service.

Iran is not just bad actor, but filthy one. No point in saying that they are irrelevant, as the news and its lovely reporters would contradict you with the wrath of live footage and documentation, accounts of interrogation, and all kinds of international hocus pocus that is best left 2 the Poltiticians, My Brotha

@Karmadhi 

It has taken me so long to come across s coherent and intelligent solution to this crisis. 

This isn't just a cool possibility, but perhaps the only way forward

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Deziree said:

The expedition didn't work. 

 

This Australian sky news woman is so annoying.

[samijiben]

@PurpleTree lol, Australian people reporting news is a fucking trip lmao

[PurpleTree]

49 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@PurpleTree lol, Australian people reporting news is a fucking trip lmao

Well it’s not about that. But this woman seems like a huge bully. Making fun of people trying to aid Palestinians etc. Look into her eyes they are dead  and her voice is annoying too.

[samijiben]

@PurpleTree i got an even deeper insight from listening to her, that is concerning self-deception

If you really want to understand da dynamics of human devilry, just listen to Australian news reporter

Becomes clear how it's all delusion. Yet it is still in your language so can understand a little bit 😅

[Raze]

Greta knew this would happen obviously. Her goal is clearly to try and draw the attention of international audiences to what is happening.

It was the same when she was marching for climate.

The difference is mainstream media was elevating her on that, not so here. So it’s unclear how much of a broader impact she’ll have.

[Keryo Koffa]

Greta casually representing the timeless conflict of future generations getting owned by the petty squabbles of those in power.

[Nemra]

Russell Brand's mind stinks. 🤢

Edited June 15 by Nemra