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Trump-Musk Feud

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5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's less strategic and more too much posting while high.

He pissed off both sides. So no one wants him anymore.

In these polarized times, you gotta pick a side. You're either pro-Trump or anti-Trump. There's no middle ground.

I hope you're saying that society expects you to pick a side, not you.

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13 hours ago, Raze said:

Elon deleted the Epstein tweets, looks like he’s backtracking. 

He came down after a drug fueled bender. Classic coke head behavior. 

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Told you guys he was done a few months ago.  (Musk).  Too lazy to find the post :)

But yeah @Leo Gura he was definitely posting while high hehe.  You're also right about picking a side but Musk is the only exception given his power from wealth.   So if anyone can make it work its him.


 

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Musk has completely lost his credibility. Everyone sees through his facade. He's an anxious, suffering guy, like a teenager who needs to stand out. We'll see how he handles this humiliation. It must be very hard for a guy like him.

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10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Musk has completely lost his credibility. Everyone sees through his facade. He's an anxious, suffering guy, like a teenager who needs to stand out. We'll see how he handles this humiliation. It must be very hard for a guy like him.

He never really had it after smoking weed on Joe's show.  He's an alright guy in my book.  A definite narcissist but who isn't to some degree.   There are degree to everything.   

He never should have sided with Trump in the first place but he does anything to get ahead which includes sacrificing his integrity.   

@Leo Gura. Sacrificing your integrity to massage the ego is worse than narcissim.  And that's what his weakness is...  But the cost has to be paid eventually. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

He never really had it after smoking weed on Joe's show. 

Before, people thought he was an eccentric genius with a teenage streak but a mind among millions. Now, people think he's a poor pathetic idiot.

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Musk is still great at business. That's never the issue. The issue is he is worse than an 18 year old boy at politics.

Don't conflate business with politics. These are very different domains of mastery.

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14 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Musk is still great at business. That's never the issue. The issue is he is worse than an 18 year old boy at politics.

Don't conflate business with politics. These are very different domains of mastery.

Theÿ are intertwined.  He thought politics would give him power and power would feed his businesses.  But when he thought Trump's policies would affect his businesses and thus his power he did a 360.

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33 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Before, people thought he was an eccentric genius with a teenage streak but a mind among millions. Now, people think he's a poor pathetic idiot.

A calculated risk when getting into politics.  


 

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Musk is in over his head.  Money doesn’t automatically give you power.  There is more to it than that.  You make enemies and have to be able to handle that.  Musk’s drug use shows that he needs to keep down the pain, which takes a lot of energy.  He is mentally unstable.


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23 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

Theÿ are intertwined.  He thought politics would give him power and power would feed his businesses.  But when he thought Trump's policies would affect his businesses and thus his power he did a 360.

I don't think Musk's ambition was only economic, he wanted to leave a legacy as a reformer of America, and he has found himself with the rock Trump and has not known how to handle it, if something like that is possible.

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Musk engages the crowd more to belong rather than to command, which Trump excels at. Elon has no gravitas, composure or ''frame'' (PUA made that a cheesy word lol). He's reactive and sperges out when challenged and not validated - he seeks love whilst Trump seeks obedience.

When Trumps asked tough questions by the crowd they just roll off his back, he mocks it, laughs it off or shuts it down and says next like its nothing. Elon would start fidgeting and cry about it on Twitter at night. He's not really a leader in that sense. He can lead teams (companies etc) but not crowds.

Trump has a primal sense of the crowd, and command over it.  He's probably honed that from his time in a place like New York where he learnt that projection of strength matters more than actual facts - which translates to his politics, where he has no care for policy nuance or whether his policies are good or not to begin with - just that he sells them well.

In America especially - charisma trumps competence in politics, no pun intended. Elon is trying to be the politician when he's a technician - and should remain so. There can't be a Elonism, the way their is a Trumpism.

The best he could do is get behind JD Vance who is more refined than Trump who is ageing out. Vance, Trump and Thiel in the background as usual could be a lethal force - with Vance as the face of that trio* They all have a history together.

 Elon can only ever provide political leverage in the form of platforms and owning the information space via X - the public square of populism. They can position for a technocratic populism rather than the mythic populism of Trump.

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10 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

Musk’s drug use shows that he needs to keep down the pain, which takes a lot of energy.  He is mentally unstable.

Yes totally unstable. What a pathetic show, posting that of Epstein, like a 14-year-old. He knew it before, and now he's saying it because he's angry. It's incredible that a guy like that could be a business genius. Is he? I suppose so. What he's done is top level, or maybe not so? Just an emergin of the sistem who used the talent of others? Difficult to say 

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Unstable genius xD


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11 minutes ago, zazen said:

Musk engages the crowd more to belong rather than to command, which Trump excels at. Elon has no gravitas, composure or ''frame'' (PUA made that a cheesy word lol). He's reactive and sperges out when challenged and not validated - he seeks love whilst Trump seeks obedience.

When Trumps asked tough questions by the crowd they just roll off his back, he mocks it, laughs it off or shuts it down and says next like its nothing. Elon would start fidgeting and cry about it on Twitter at night. He's not really a leader in that sense. He can lead teams (companies etc) but not crowds.

Trump has a primal sense of the crowd, and command over it.  He's probably honed that from his time in a place like New York where he learnt that projection of strength matters more than actual facts - which translates to his politics, where he has no care for policy nuance or whether his policies are good or not to begin with - just that he sells them well.

In America especially - charisma trumps competence in politics, no pun intended. Elon is trying to be the politician when he's a technician - and should remain so. There can't be a Elonism, the way their is a Trumpism.

The best he could do is get behind JD Vance who is more refined than Trump who is ageing out. Vance, Trump and Thiel in the background as usual could be a lethal force - with Vance as the face of that trip. They all have a history together.

 Elon can only ever provide political leverage in the form of platforms and owning the information space via X - the public square of populism. They can position for a technocratic populism rather than the mythic populism of Trump.

And every single one of them is an agent of Mammon, lol 🤑

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14 minutes ago, zazen said:

Musk engages the crowd more to belong rather than to command, which Trump excels at. Elon has no gravitas, composure or ''frame'' (PUA made that a cheesy word lol). He's reactive and sperges out when challenged and not validated - he seeks love whilst Trump seeks obedience.

When Trumps asked tough questions by the crowd they just roll off his back, he mocks it, laughs it off or shuts it down and says next like its nothing. Elon would start fidgeting and cry about it on Twitter at night. He's not really a leader in that sense. He can lead teams (companies etc) but not crowds.

Trump has a primal sense of the crowd, and command over it.  He's probably honed that from his time in a place like New York where he learnt that projection of strength matters more than actual facts - which translates to his politics, where he has no care for policy nuance or whether his policies are good or not to begin with - just that he sells them well.

In America especially - charisma trumps competence in politics, no pun intended. Elon is trying to be the politician when he's a technician - and should remain so. There can't be a Elonism, the way their is a Trumpism.

The best he could do is get behind JD Vance who is more refined than Trump who is ageing out. Vance, Trump and Thiel in the background as usual could be a lethal force - with Vance as the face of that trip. They all have a history together.

 Elon can only ever provide political leverage in the form of platforms and owning the information space via X - the public square of populism. They can position for a technocratic populism rather than the mythic populism of Trump.

You don't get to a place where Musk is in business if you can't be charismatic.   You have to make speeches and front of large groups and you have to be likeable.  This is nonsense.  Musk could run and potentially win if he wanted to.  Don't be surprised when it happens.


 

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2 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You don't get to a place where Musk is in business if you can't be charismatic.   You have to make speeches and front of large groups and you have to be likeable.  This is nonsense.  Musk could run and potentially win if he wanted to.  Don't be surprised when it happens.

He can’t. He wasn’t born in America.

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6 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

He can’t. He wasn’t born in America.

A minor technicality 😀

The point is that he could. 


 

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11 minutes ago, Inliytened1 said:

You don't get to a place where Musk is in business if you can't be charismatic.   You have to make speeches and front of large groups and you have to be likeable.  This is nonsense.  Musk could run and potentially win if he wanted to.  Don't be surprised when it happens.

Political charisma is more emotional, in business it’s more logical where your respected for your mind rather than your aura. Musk is admired differently than Trump.

Most people aren’t nerds or critical thinkers. Tech culture overestimates how much the average person values logic.

You can have functional charisma to the point needed to lead teams or being likeable enough to work with, but that’s different to crowd commanding charisma that taps into more primal emotion of the masses.

Musks kind of charisma doesn’t scale to the emotional needs of the crowd. Just think of Bill Gates - successful in business but hardly could be called charismatic in the same sense as Trump.

 

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10 minutes ago, zazen said:

Political charisma is more emotional, in business it’s more logical where your respected for your mind rather than your aura. Musk is admired differently than Trump.

Most people aren’t nerds or critical thinkers. Tech culture overestimates how much the average person values logic.

You can have functional charisma to the point needed to lead teams or being likeable enough to work with, but that’s different to crowd commanding charisma that taps into more primal emotion of the masses.

Musks kind of charisma doesn’t scale to the emotional needs of the crowd. Just think of Bill Gates - successful in business but hardly could be called charismatic in the same sense as Trump.

 

Trump won because he knew how to appeal to the masses and he was a successful businessman.   Even though he wasnt..really.  Trump also came onto the scene when the economy was terrible and people needed a change.  It's not a miracle.   Musk could do the same thing.  Or someone like him born in America.  He could appeal to the masses as a proven businessman and make all the same promises.   He has the financial backing. 

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