Are men or women the prize?

[Alexop]

8 hours ago, Ryan M said:

 

That’s why I always find it funny when my girl gets insecure before I go out to some event or wherever, like I’m going to “do something”. I’m thinking “do you think I’m Leonardo DiCaprio or something?” But it’s better to let them think that so I just let her think that it really is that easy for me 😂🤷‍♂️

Hahah yes. They get so anxious but the truth nowadays is that it is soo hard to get an attractive woman's attention. I am almost 2 meters tall and all athletic and shit and no woman cares about me until she meets my personality and "me as a person" in a way that they perceive me as higher status than them and other men around. They don't give a shit about your outer looks before they meet you as a person in a hierarchical context.

Fun fact. As she knew I am very into this masculine vs. feminine stuff, my ex asked me: "why am I so attracted to jerks who don't give a shit about me, I mean it will make sense that nature sends me to a guy who takes care of me and doesn't leave." hahah, gold. 

Edited June 6 by Alexop

[Alexop]

Do not fall into the trap of "women have it easy". Yes even a low quality girl can still pick up a guy from her DMs and convince him that it is better to get some regular pussy than sanding out the paint from CTRL, SHIFT, and N on thier keyboards for years in a row.

Their problems are the quality of guys they date, which is kind of shit depending on where you live. But we guys think  only about the pussy, you get the pussy you are happy. But she wants much more than the meat flute, she wants leadership, affection, care, fun, humor, loyalty, looks, intelligence etc.

[Schizophonia]

1 hour ago, AION said:

@Schizophonia you are some strange cat 🐱 no phun intended 😂

meow 

[CARDOZZO]

 

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Emerald said:

You can be the leader or you can be the prize... you can't be both. And if the woman is the leader and the man is the prize, that's not going to lead to a healthy relationship.

These men don't understand what it means to be the prize and what it means to be the leader. They hear prize and they pair that with 'better than' or 'above'. They don't even realize how they really don't want to feel like the prize. Any man that's a prize to a woman will only resent her in the end.

[Princess Arabia]

56 minutes ago, CARDOZZO said:

 

Who cares. Just some more concepts, ideas and talk, talk, talk. Go out in the real world and explore and experiment leaving all the mind beliefs behind and see how life is. Not some millionaire fast-talking man that caters to incels.

[AION]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

These men don't understand what it means to be the prize and what it means to be the leader. They hear prize and they pair that with 'better than' or 'above'. They don't even realize how they really don't want to feel like the prize. Any man that's a prize to a woman will only resent her in the end.

I think one can be the leader and the prize at the same time. 
Who says it can’t be? I don’t see such a rule. 
In fact I see an abundance of examples of being a leader and being the prize. 

The truth is that masculine women see themselves as the prize and they want to lead. So they want a wuss of a guy who will fit that role. Usually these guys are below her tier who will accept such a place. These women are usually not happy. 

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Alexop said:

They get so anxious but the truth nowadays is that it is soo hard to get an attractive woman's attention. I am almost 2 meters tall and all athletic and shit and no woman cares about me until she meets my personality and "me as a person" in a way that they perceive me as higher status than them and other men around. They don't give a shit about your outer looks before they meet you as a person in a hierarchical context.

That's what I'm trying to tell these average looking guys, or guys that say they're average looking and how invisible they say they are to women. Most guys are because most women aren't going to look at men the way men look at women no matter how attractive he is. I'll see attractive guys all day long and don't look twice, but I'll definitely look twice and three times for the guy that makes me FEEL something when I see him, usually he's either average or just a little above average looking, but something in his demeanor did it for me. Actually, I'm not that attracted to very attractive looking men, most look feminine and gay. I like 'em a little rugged and rough.

Edited June 6 by Princess Arabia

[AION]

The topic of this discussion intersects with the topic of women’s hypergamy. 

Women are biologically wired for hypergamy seeking the best man they can get. That alone kind of says it all. They’re looking up, not sideways or down. So by default, the man women are chasing is the one who holds the value. If you’re on your path, grounded, emotionally stable, with purpose, and options, you are the prize.

 

Problem is, most guys don’t see themselves that way. They pedestalize women just for being attractive or giving them attention. But when you flip that mindset and actually start valuing yourself your time, energy, attention it changes everything. You stop chasing, and women start chasing you.

 

It’s not about arrogance or being dismissive. It’s about being centered in your own worth. The guy who knows who he is, isn’t desperate, and has a vision for his life that’s the one women compete for. And that’s the prize.

 

Guys who got it are basically the female version of what a prime chick is. He is being chased. Sexual opportunities are thrown in his face and he can basically run a train on the collective womanhood as he should as the king he is, and not settle for less!!!!! Because the opposite of what is now the case when girls run a train is not working on a collective level. 
 

It is time that men don’t settle for less. But collective manhood will need to suffer a lot more to get to that realization. Most guys are too desperate for pussy and don’t have any honor. 

Edited June 6 by AION

[Princess Arabia]

Prize is not about who's hotter than who and who has more money than who and who's more beautiful than who, it's about a kind of dynamic. One where masculine and feminine works in sync. I think this topic can be misunderstood and be taken out of context because of how one sees the meaning of the word 'prize'. An ugly woman can still be the prize and a broke man can still be a leader. Women are just naturally the prize, just like how men are naturally born leaders. 

[koops]

Top tier guys are the prize.

Then women.

And then the rest of men.

[Xonas Pitfall]

34 minutes ago, AION said:

The topic of this discussion intersects with the topic of women’s hypergamy. 

Women are biologically wired for hypergamy seeking the best man they can get. That alone kind of says it all. They’re looking up, not sideways or down. So by default, the man women are chasing is the one who holds the value. If you’re on your path, grounded, emotionally stable, with purpose, and options, you are the prize.

 

Problem is, most guys don’t see themselves that way. They pedestalize women just for being attractive or giving them attention. But when you flip that mindset and actually start valuing yourself your time, energy, attention it changes everything. You stop chasing, and women start chasing you.

 

It’s not about arrogance or being dismissive. It’s about being centered in your own worth. The guy who knows who he is, isn’t desperate, and has a vision for his life that’s the one women compete for. And that’s the prize.

 

Guys who got it are basically the female version of what a prime chick is. He is being chased. Sexual opportunities are thrown in his face and he can basically run a train on the collective womanhood as he should as the king he is, and not settle for less!!!!! Because the opposite of what is now the case when girls run a train is not working on a collective level. 
 

It is time that men don’t settle for less. But collective manhood will need to suffer a lot more to get to that realization. Most guys are too desperate for pussy and don’t have any honor. 

This mindset is totally valid. But my only question is: why does that somehow mean women have a "dark" or "ugly" nature? How does this differ from guys?

They might not value traits like masculinity, competence, or strength in a partner, so naturally, their version of "hypergamy" won’t be based on those qualities, simply because they don’t prioritize them in a potential woman. Aren’t guys just as "hypergamous" in their own way? Most men want the most beautiful, sweet, caring, kind, and feminine woman they can find. And if they eventually meet someone who feels like a better match, a lot of them will move "up", too. That’s literally why so many guys in the Red Pill sphere idolize the Leonardo DiCaprio lifestyle. That’s also why there’s a classic social cliché of a wife being left for a “younger” woman (the babysitter, a coworker, or someone new). Both men and women can be equally ruthless in choosing partners or even leaving relationships and marriages in pursuit of someone they perceive as "higher value" - it's not gendered, it's just part of human nature.

Yes, you should value yourself and enter conversations feeling like you bring something to the table. But that’s just basic self-improvement and social dynamics 101. It’s not some deep insight into male or female "nature" - it's human nature. People who see themselves in a more positive light tend to feel more confident, more relaxed, and naturally more charismatic. That kind of energy draws others in, no matter your gender.

Edited June 6 by Xonas Pitfall

[Princess Arabia]

22 minutes ago, AION said:

That is an important nuance. Women do set the rules of the dating and mating game. But it is the men who hold the power. 

Power to what. No one holds power in the dating world. Let's see how quickly power flies out the door in divorce court, let's see how quickly power flies out the door when one gets cheated on, let's see how quickly power flies out the door if you get a stroke, let's see how power flies put the door when you develop ED, the list goes on. Same for women. 

Edited June 6 by Princess Arabia

[AION]

@Xonas Pitfall I won’t answer that question because it is too sensitive for this forum. 
 

Only thing I want to say is that most people in this thread are confused about value. Value is in the eye of the beholder and it is relative but that doesn’t mean there is no patterns of the female gaze. 

You don’t have to be top tier guy to get the female gaze. Only thing you need is a good “flavor”  aka a good combination of attractive traits. The best ice scream is not with the most chocolate but with the right balance of flavors with fruit, and other ingredients.

It is an art form to become such a balanced guy. But when you become it as a guy you are the prize.  One doesn’t need to become part of this 20% of men like some people share. It creates a halo effect. It is all about frame control or what women say “how he makes me feel” because she never looks further than her own emotions. 

[AION]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Power to what. No one holds power in the dating world. Let's see how quickly power flies out the door in divorce court, let's see how quickly power flies out the door when one gets cheated on, let's see how quickly power flies out the door if you get a stroke, let's see how power flies put the door when you develop ED, the lust goes on. Same for women. 

DiCaprio could do all of those things and then some and still get away. 

Edited June 6 by AION

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, AION said:

she never looks further than her own emotions. 

Afterwards we do. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, AION said:

DiCaprio could do all of those things and then some and still get away. 

Fuck DiCaprio what about you, what about the other guy. You think if he had $5 in his bank account it would be the same story, no. Anyone can hold power with money. Thats not true power.

[Sugarcoat]

If you see yourself as the prize (which is self confidence) you’ll be more likely to attract someone that is the prize, so you’ll both be the prize. 

[Atb210201]

No one.

Or both.

Both are the prize for each other.

Both need each other.

[Nemra]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not limit survival to the physical. Consider the issue holistically.

@Leo Gura, do you mean that I should apply that notion to everyone or everything?