Steroids without side effects are coming

[Leo Gura]

Crush up the pills and inject them straight into your dick for targeted results.

[Schizophonia]

Myostatins inhibitors create heart failure and probably other stuff.

 

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, something_else said:

He seems pretty certain these have no side effects, but I really doubt that.

He's a big fan of Ray Kurzweil, and he's like the Ray Kurzweil of pharmacology.

[Schizophonia]

12 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

Living in Japan has completely changed my relationship to muscle, aesthetics, and gym goals.

Growing up in America as a skinny kid, I always felt inadequate and lesser, and like most men, I got into the gym to pack on more muscle to hopefully one day be enough. My starting stats were 5'10 145lbs (178cm 66kg), and until recently, my idealized goal weight was 170lbs (77kg). (+25lbs pure muscle).

That's not an unreasonable natty goal. Very doable... if I were willing to sacrifice a large chunk of my life to the gym and have borderline neurotic discipline lol (extreme hard gainer)

Over the years I managed to put on +20lbs by hitting the gym daily and eating a massive caloric surplus (lots of beef and rice!) but eventually I hit a plateau around 165lbs (75kg).

Though I gained a lot of muscle and really started to fill out my frame, I also gained a bit of fat around my waist (this is expected on any bulk). Furthermore, that last 5lbs push to 170 is beyond the curve of diminishing returns. To get that last 5lbs I would have to hit the gym like a psychopath and eat like a drill sergeant is screaming down my back. So I was already beginning to doubt to what extent 170 would be worth it.

But the punchline to all of this is, I arrived in Japan still chasing this mental ideal benchmark of 170lbs, only to realize that the average man my age here is fucking 135lbs (61kg) lmao. At 160lbs+, I am a TITAN here. I'm taller and wider than 95%+ of native Japanese guys I encounter here, even on the streets of major cities. Visually, it's a total mog.

But let me tell you, nothing will sober you up to the folly of your gym goals (and the idiocy of chasing western 'chad' ideals) like doing a cold approach in japan, getting brutally blown out despite your above-average body, and then later watching a 60kg lanky twink pretty boy walking a japanese bombshell into a hotel while she giggle and blushes, and you're standing there side eyeing them from afar with your jaw on the floor but hey at least you have your big muscles and your right hand.

The real mindfuck was when I began noticing my urge to SLIM DOWN. Yes, for the first time in my life I began feeling TOO BIG, and I started thinking "If I cut down to 155lbs, THAT would be my final form!"

But I quickly realized that this is still the same trap, just in the other direction. In America I wanted 170lbs, in Japan I wanted 155lbs, but in both cases I'm just trying to win validation/affection/admiration/social goodie points, etc.

And that's when the whole thing came full circle and imploded. I realized this shit is dumb. I'm being dumb.

I now go to the gym truly for myself. I go because I ACTUALLY want to go TODAY (and not for some fantasy of a better future). I go because I like the innate reward of fucking doing something with your body (rather than lounging around + atrophy)

Same with food. I don't track calories anymore because I don't really have a goal in either direction (I genuinely don't want to get bigger or smaller anymore). I eat my beef and rice until I'm full, and then I stop.

At the moment I find myself naturally hovering around 163lbs (74kg) without trying to be any particular weight. Coincidentally, half way between 170lbs (american "ideal") and 155lbs (japanese "ideal"). I'm also slowly recomping. I notice myself losing fat around my waist without scale weight flux. This comes from a combination of intuitive eating + daily gym + long walks, all done for their own sake.

I urge you all to double check whether your body goals are actually your own authentic original desire or not

Yo.

What looks like your daily life ? Do you have a work in japan ?

Btw i know someone who lives in tokyo, it seems it's harder than in the west to find a relatioship, at least harder than in France. 

Edited June 5 by Schizophonia

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Schizophonia

Japan has had the phenomenon of Hikikomori for much longer than the west. It's like turbo charged bedrot. 

Aside from that phenomenon, I have relatives in Japan that claim it is harder due to individuation. Dating apparently is difficult, but this is only between Japanese natives. The dynamic is probably different between westerners/Japanese 

[Leo Gura]

Japanese are very ethnically self-absorbed and super conformist. Japanese girls are so conformist it will be hard for them to date a white guy. Their family will not approve and so forth. Japanese are like sheep. It's their culture. If you contradict their cultural norms, God help you. You'd have to find a very westernized Japanese girl.

Edited June 5 by Leo Gura

[Schizophonia]

24 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Schizophonia

Japan has had the phenomenon of Hikikomori for much longer than the west. It's like turbo charged bedrot. 

Japanese society must be turbo-anxiety-inducing.

[Basman]

Japanese are so ethnocentric that they used to have rules mandating black hair at their schools until recently (2022). If your natural hair color is something else you had to dye it and they would forcefully dye it at school if you didn't do it yourself.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Can confirm they are racist to others. My family at least. They pretty much shunned my grandfather's marriage to a white women - I am perceived as a mixed mess to them, who just wants their money 

[RendHeaven]

9 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Do you have a work in japan ?

@Schizophonia hell no!

9 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

it seems it's harder than in the west to find a relatioship

depends. If you're in Tokyo looking for a forever girl, you're fucked. the lack of commitment is vegas-tier (if not even worse lol)

if you're in the countryside, you have better odds because monogamous tradition is still strongly culturally reinforced. But you would have to win over her traditional conservative family, so good luck with that.

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Japanese are very ethnically self-absorbed and super conformist.

@Leo Gura Yes, it is a beautiful monolithic self deception

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Japanese girls are so conformist it will be hard for them to date a white guy.

I am lucky to be half japanese, fluent in japanese, and raised by a japanese mother who drilled cultural awareness into me (for better or for worse). This gives me the appeal of a foreigner with very few downsides from the POV of a japanese girl. All that cultural awareness surprisingly pulls enormous weight in dealing with women. I'm able to "read the room" and follow the unspoken script without looking like a clueless outsider who's crashing head-first into social faux pas.

That being said, I've had to go to great lengths to unwire the assumptions my mom baked into me. Constantly tip toeing around how you're being perceived (this is the japanese ethos) is not healthy.

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Japanese are like sheep.

There are upsides to this. Like the spotless infrastructure, the cleanliness, the golden customer service, etc.

Furthermore, selfishly, I love that the girls aesthetically converge towards cutsie elegance. They have the same hair, the same makeup, the same slim frame, the same high pitched voice. If you're looking for sexual anarchy then you will hate it. But if you know what you like, then this is heaven.

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You'd have to find a very westernized Japanese girl.

Yep my fully-white cousin did that. He's getting married to her later this month. Good for him.

There is a common myth that Japanese women like white men. This is overwhelmingly false. I'm not sure where it comes from, probably a combination of post-WW2 american soldier takeover + anime nerd fantasy + conflation with poor developing SE Asian countries.

In fact, Japan's conformity and cultural idiosyncrasy is so pervasive that it fucks with prevailing game principles in the west. Most white guys here are royally fucked because they're operating on vegas/RSD paradigms that backfire here.

For example, in America, if you were to do a cold approach on a woman, you would want to be friendly, outgoing, smiling, inviting, and a little cocky/funny or push/pull for emotional play. This will crash and burn in Japan (specifically Tokyo).

2 reasons:

1. too much extroversion is actually perceived as threatening to social cohesion. The perfect encapsulation of this is how in Tokyo, you can be densely packed into a subway and everybody is dead silent and ignoring each other. this is homeostasis. this is safe. Keeping to yourself and not being a 'bother' (i.e. muting yourself, not standing out) is the expectation and norm. Breaking this expectation in a heroic gamble to stand out does NOT win you any favors. Being "unstifled" is actually seen as annoying and uncalibrated, and especially if a white guy were to project his voice, no matter how warm or friendly or charming, this is seen as threatening the cohesion, drawing too much attention, and girls will physically run away to prioritize their sense of comfort. you're seen as a lion, and the sheep will melt into the center of the pack to get away from you.
2. there is a recruiter/scout/host culture in Tokyo, which means pretty girls get approached constantly whenever they are out (people trying to lure them into the entertainment industry, promising wealth and fame in exchange for their beauty. obviously a trap, and the smart girls know this.) which is why they immediately assume you're a threat if you approach them - ESPECIALLY if you're warm or smiling! all warmth raises suspicion in Japan. it's seen as a salesy gimmick to extract value. this is hard to fathom if you've lived in America your whole life. Furthermore, all push-pulls or negs are perceived as threatening and will cause her to run away. Especially if you are a large, loud white guy who doesn't even speak japanese who tries to push pull her. (you have no idea how socially threatening you are)

This leads to a mega counter-intuitive cold approach metagame, where being low energy, stoic, soft spoken, and NOT smiling, and even borderline cold has the highest chances of her hooking. Imagine that! The game here is: don't startle the cat. don't make loud sounds, don't make sudden movements, don't reach out to pet it, basically do nothing. Be so unthreatening that the cat gets naturally curious and curls into your lap for belly rubs.

...and that all assumes you speak fluent japanese, of course! if you're english-only, then expect to be very lonely in japan (not just with women, but in general)

I've had to completely burn my old models of attraction and game, and rework my understanding from scratch. It is NOT the case that women are universally into warm, extroverted, bold energy. This is a product of culture. To get a truly universal understanding of what women respond to, your model would have to account for both America and Japan at once.

Briefly check out this timestamp. This shit owen is doing would get you laughed out of the room in Japan. You would be perceived as so unbearably annoying and threatening that girls will physically flee from you (I learned this the hard way). And then you would watch as a skinny, smooth, soft spoken feminine guy takes your girl from right under your nose by barely saying a word. Brutal. This is hard to wrap your mind around if you're used to Vegas nightclubs. What owen is teaching here is deeply contextual and applies only to western socialization scripts.

The true universals that women respond to:

• leadership (directional authority)
• outcome independence (not giving a FUCKKK)
• implicit uninhibited desire transfer
• preselection

[Eskilon]

51 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

This leads to a mega counter-intuitive cold approach metagame, where being low energy, stoic, soft spoken, and NOT smiling, and even borderline cold has the highest chances of her hooking. Imagine that! The game here is: don't startle the cat. don't make loud sounds, don't make sudden movements, don't reach out to pet it, basically do nothing. Be so unthreatening that the cat gets naturally curious and curls into your lap for belly rubs.

So true, game is basically contextual and cultural. How gaming a sexy alien girl would look like?

One thing I found interesting and kinda crazy is their view of cheating -- they don't seem to care as much as westerners do. Like, if the husband/boyfriend is horny and he sees a pretty prostitute somewhere, the wife won't be mad about it -- as long as he doesn't have emotions towards the person. This is insanity to most westerners lmao. Check this video :

 

Edited June 6 by Eskilon

[RendHeaven]

4 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

One thing I found interesting and kinda crazy is their view of cheating -- they don't seem to care as much as westerners do. Like, if the husband/boyfriend is horny and he sees a pretty prostitute somewhere, the wife won't be mad about it -- as long as he doesn't have emotions towards the person. This is insanity to most westerners lmao. Check this video :

@Eskilon Yes this is a viral video for good reason.

It's somewhat exaggerated in that he deliberately cherrypicks the most controversial takes with the cutest girls he can find, which leads to a skewed view of the terrain (you're not hearing every opinion fairly)

Even so, there is a truth there in that Tokyo at large is abnormally low-commitment when it comes to sex. The rules and expectations around sex literally warp and distort the second you step foot in Tokyo. What's difficult for us westerners to grasp is the compartmentalization of sex in japan. In the west, sex = intimacy = love = romance. Which is why cheating is the deepest betrayal.

But in japan, sex is its own domain of lust and fun and biological needs; and intimacy, love, and romance is its own sphere of sacredness distinct from sex. This fragmentation is arguably neurotic and dysfunctional, but it is what it is and any moral judgement we may have against the Japanese is spiritual ego.

All the hot people are fucking each other behind closed doors, without regard to girlfriend/boyfriend/marital status. If you know, you know, and you can't get mad because you know this is just the way it is. If you don't know, you would probably get mad, but that's precisely why you don't know.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

@Schizophonia hell no!

Lol

5 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

depends. If you're in Tokyo looking for a forever girl, you're fucked. the lack of commitment is vegas-tier (if not even worse lol)

I thought it was a particularly traditional society; where does this comes from ?

Where i am it seems the vast majority of the girl only want a long term romantic relationship.

The only girls I met who wanted hookups etc were anglo-saxons or from Northern Europe.

5 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

 

Briefly check out this timestamp. This shit owen is doing would get you laughed out of the room in Japan.

Ditto, it's the same in France; everybody would see him like an crazy homosexual or a something like that.

 

The most androgenic men actually have a soft, deep, piercing vibe.

I have to make a post about this, I think I figured out well why.

 

 

[Jannes]

I think it would be in the governments best interest to throw a shitton of money at this research especially for the weight loss drugs. The costs of obesity are immense: the illnesses caused by overweight cost the health care system a ton, it costs the economy a ton because overweight (less healthy) people are less productive and even the amount of food needed to sustain overweight increases the carbon footprint which imply later costs down the line.

[Eskilon]

11 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

It's somewhat exaggerated in that he deliberately cherrypicks the most controversial takes with the cutest girls he can find, which leads to a skewed view of the terrain (you're not hearing every opinion fairly)

Even so, there is a truth there in that Tokyo at large is abnormally low-commitment when it comes to sex. The rules and expectations around sex literally warp and distort the second you step foot in Tokyo. What's difficult for us westerners to grasp is the compartmentalization of sex in japan. In the west, sex = intimacy = love = romance. Which is why cheating is the deepest betrayal.

Yeah, this might just be a Tokyo thing. But to me personally, I doubt it is.

I think the eastern mind see the world differently when it comes to sex, cheating and relationships. In the past the emperors and leaders there used to have dozen of wives and concubines -- this to me shows how their view is different in this area of life.

11 hours ago, RendHeaven said:

But in japan, sex is its own domain of lust and fun and biological needs; and intimacy, love, and romance is its own sphere of sacredness distinct from sex. This fragmentation is arguably neurotic and dysfunctional, but it is what it is and any moral judgement we may have against the Japanese is spiritual ego.

I don't judge them at all. If anything it is more aligned with truth itself -- any form of possessiveness and jealousy is just ego games. If you were really awake all the time, would u care if your partner slept with somebody else? I doubt it lol

One could say there's no such a thing as cheating, because there never was such a thing as possession in the first place.

Edited June 6 by Eskilon

[integral]

When he takes it himself for 2 years then comes back with the report ill start taking what hes saying seriously. 

Edited June 6 by integral

[Carl-Richard]

5 minutes ago, integral said:

When he takes it himself for 2 years then comes back with the report ill start taking what hes saying seriously. 

Trust me, Mike will take anything for 2 years and then go on a podcast to share horror stories of the side effects and how he still keeps taking it because "childhood demons". Look at his recent plastic surgery adventures.

[Leo Gura]

4 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Look at his recent plastic surgery adventures.

Huh? Elaborate please.

[Carl-Richard]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Huh? Elaborate please.

No elaboration needed:

 

Edited June 6 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

And this one is a classic: