Why People Leave The Left

[Daniel Balan]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That's all a matter how you decide to define woke. If you define woke as all the shitty and cringe parts of the left, that is not a very fair definition.

Lots of people like to define woke as "stuff I dislike".

If I say systemic racism exists, am I woke?

"Woke" is the term people unfamiliar with spiral dynamics use to describe Stage Green. That's the perfect definition of Woke. All of Stage Green could be described as woke. Which means woke is a very good thing. I love Stage Green. Better be woke than a backward conservative. 

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[SwiftQuill]

26 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

"Woke" is the term people unfamiliar with spiral dynamics use to describe Stage Green. That's the perfect definition of Woke. All of Stage Green could be described as woke. Which means woke is a very good thing. I love Stage Green. Better be woke than a backward conservative. 

 

[Nemra]

I think that woke people see identity-based problems requiring identity-based solutions.

[Daniel Balan]

14 minutes ago, SwiftQuill said:

 

RIP

[SwiftQuill]

And no, Bernie Sanders isn't woke. When people like myself use woke as a pejorative, they don't mean people like Bernie Sanders. As someone who engages in antiwoke circles, trust me no one considers people like Sanders to be woke.

I've seen many videos of him speaking about politics and he comes across as a healthy, intelligent progressive. And when he says he's "socialist" he doesn't mean old school socialism. He talks about a social safety net, like in Scandinavian countries type of "socialism".

[BlueOak]

Generally from my experience, right wing parties make all economic and social issues worse for those outside the top 10%. I've observed that all my life.

With the death of left-wing parties. People talk about them but they don't objectively exist outside of being an opposition to an ever more rightwing world.

So recently the supposed left, you won't be able to point to many actual left-wing parties, are catering to maybe the top 20% - 30%? At least in england, i'm sure its different elsewhere. So there is little point me voting, ever, unless you are voting for a seat with some give in it. Here, forget about it, its conservative (blue) through and through.

Though reform are nipping at the heels here its still only about 20%, and i'm sure they'll cater to even less of the country than the conservatives did if they get in.

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Voting for a single leader with an obfuscated team, just so we can have drama every few months and appeal to tribal instict (me bad you good), is such a poor way of doing anything.

Either:

• Vote for a council representing all social and cultural groups.
• Vote for individual positions in individual sectors of government - Reviewed if it's poorly performing.
• Integrate all perspectives into a collective solution.  Now this requires someone or some people at stage yellow with a capacity to hear and process this or you guessed it AI. And a way to capture all perspectives, the second part of this is where AI excels, it can capture all data better than any human alive, then present it for review and integration by the governing body.

Edited June 4 by BlueOak

[PurpleTree]

An example of woke 

There is a leftie establishment in a leftist neighbourhood in a leftist city. It used to be classic left but wokes took over.

Now there’s a band playing reggae but it’s white guys with dreads. Some woke people in the audience stop the concert and protest because of cultural appropriation. They can’t handle white hippie guys having dreads playing reggae.

Would Bernie stop that concert? nope. This is exactly the woke ideology. They read book of the same authors are herd thinking sheep and use words like cultural appropriation, patriarchy and so on.

[Alexop]

9 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

An example of woke 

There is a leftie establishment in a leftist neighbourhood in a leftist city. It used to be classic left but wokes took over.

Now there’s a band playing reggae but it’s white guys with dreads. Some woke people in the audience stop the concert and protest because of cultural appropriation. They can’t handle white hippie guys having dreads playing reggae.

And in that city all the stairs that lie besides ramps are removed in order not to offend disabled people 

Edited June 4 by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

2 minutes ago, Alexop said:

And in that city all the stairs that lie besides ramps are removed in order to not offend disabled people 

Nope that not. But the other thing has really happened in my neighbourhood basically.

 

What would Bernie have done? He would probably sing along and sing

I‘m a Rastaman, Bernie man Ganja man woop woop sing sing Bernie man Rasta man Ganja man

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

@Leo GuraYou could say that I'm a leftist( I'm not) but I lived all my life among conservatives, and I tell you that conservatives are exactly the strawmaned stereotypes the left makes them to be. I perfectly understand them, all their behavior is with the intent to maximize survival, hoard as many material possessions, money, land and status. For them status within society trumps everything. As long as they are viewed as a upstanding successful Christian, they will kill and dominate whoever stands in their way to attain that status. I have yet to find a single good characteristic about conservatives! Discipline and hard work ain't conservative traits! Those are good survival traits, which plenty of leftists posses too! Other than that, the words that depict conservatives best is endless greed, devil like selfishness, not the slightest fucks given about the environment, animals or minorities or the weak. Smiles in your face but would kill you if they could get away with it if you have different opinions than them. 

Man, your problem is that you only lived in Romania. I also had the same views when young and inexperienced. And we, romanians, overly romanticise the West as being some alien nations who figured all shit out. After living in Sweden for the last three years I can assure you that most people here are far from "developed aliens"  as we used to see them. Most people are some naive sheep following the mainstream narrative.

And many guys here I perceive being even worse than romanian guys. When you brainwash guys into woke cancel culture shit, they become very nasty beings. In Romania, there still is a bit of right of passage remaining for men, you still have to prove yourself a bit in order to be called a man. But here... You just need a cock. By simply daring to question that some guy is not a man can get the shit canceled out of you. Don't tell me that this is Green healthy behaviour because you are kidding yourself.

Edited June 4 by Alexop

[Daniel Balan]

@Alexop ❤️ Nice insights. Thanks!

Edited June 4 by Daniel Balan

[Alexop]

@Daniel Balan welcome man. Grijă de tine.

[Alexop]

45 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Nope that not. But the other thing has really happened in my neighbourhood basically.

 

What would Bernie have done? He would probably sing along and sing

I‘m a Rastaman, Bernie man Ganja man woop woop sing sing Bernie man Rasta man Ganja man

Wow crazy man. This culture appropriation thing is nuts.

Edited June 4 by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

Now if there was a war.

a civil war between left and right

i would choose center

if there was no centre and we have to choose sides.

Then i‘d choose left.

[Daniel Balan]

@PurpleTree ❤️

[Nemra]

@Alexop, is Sweden a good place to live?

[Alexop]

43 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Alexop, is Sweden a good place to live?

I would say yes.

High points:

-good salaries 

-good infrastructure 

-good safety net

-good regulations: clean water, clean air, clean food

-somewhat easy to grow a business.

-cool fun women

Low points:

-as a masculine guy you will face problems as the culture is not masculinity friendly. You will feel like you have to walk on egg shells especially with other guys around. They won't feel inspired by your maturity and development(as they should), they will become jealous, intimidated ,and offended.

-they even have some "law" that penetrated society called: the law of Jante. Quote: "you should not think you are better than us"; "you should not think you are special"; "you should not think you are someone"; "you should not think you are good at anything".

-cold people. It takes much effort to make close friends. The best technique is to get a girlfriend and she will introduce you to her circle.

After you learn the culture, it becomes easy. 

 

Edited June 4 by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

16 minutes ago, Alexop said:

I would say yes.

High points:

-good salaries 

-good infrastructure 

-good safety net

-good regulations: clean water, clean air, clean food

-somewhat easy to grow a business.

-cool fun women

Low points:

-as a masculine guy you will face problems as the culture is not masculinity friendly. You will feel like you have to walk on egg shells especially with other guys around. They won't feel inspired by your maturity and development(as they should), they will become jealous, intimidated ,and offended.

-they even have some "law" that penetrated society called: the law of Jante. Quote: "you should not think you are better than us"; "you should not think you are special"; "you should not think you are someone"; "you should not think you are good at anything".

-cold people. It takes much effort to make close friends. The best technique is to get a girlfriend and she will introduce you to her circle.

After you learn the culture, it becomes easy. 

 

What about the recent rise of crime? It’s only in certain areas?

[Nemra]

14 minutes ago, Alexop said:

-good salaries 

-good infrastructure 

-good safety net

-good regulations: clean water, clean air, clean food

-somewhat easy to grow a business.

-cool fun women

Cool.

14 minutes ago, Alexop said:

-as a masculine guy you will face problems as the culture is not masculinity friendly. You will feel like you have to walk on egg shells especially with other guys around. They won't feel inspired by your maturity and development(as they should), they will become jealous, intimidated ,and offended.

Interesting. However, I don't like talking to people who always police everything, although I'm not that masculine.

17 minutes ago, Alexop said:

-they even have some "law" that penetrated society called: the law of Jante. Quote: "you should not think you are better than us"; "you should not think you are special"; "you should not think you are someone"; "you should not think you are good at anything".

Oh.

14 minutes ago, Alexop said:

-cold people. It takes much effort to make close friends. The best technique is to get a girlfriend and she will introduce you to her circle.

Well, I like coldness to some degree. 😁