Is Donald Trump Receiving Karmic Punishment?

[Butters]

Curious whether of not Donald Trump receives any Karmic Punishment for his behavior. It appears that when a heart-centered individual hurts another person through their actions they receive some sort of Karmic Punishment. Why doesn't this seem to apply to Trump? 

Either

a) karma doesn't exist, it's a fantasy. Therefor karma is a spiritual fantasy, not a system. Or

b) karma is a system but is so complex, it works in ways we cannot comprehend. For instance, not through linear time. 

If the latter, then there must be some consciousness out there who CAN see the Karmic concewuences happening right now. 

Edited May 31 by Butters

[Consept]

I think traditionally we think of Karma as - someone does something bad, something bad eventually happens to them. But then that depends on what you consider 'bad' and in fact I don't even think bad is the right word, I think if an action happens, there is a consequence to that action. Even if you think of the word consequence, there is the word sequence right there. 

So regarding trump, he is the result of his upbringing, which although leads him to material 'success' comes at cost of his soul. To take that out of spiritual language, he doesn't seem to have the ability to actually connect and love others or show compassion, he seems to have blocked out certain emotions to enable his survival within his family. He can not stop trying to get power and money for his entire life. He will never be able to look at himself in a self aware way and see himself as he truly is.

I maybe wrong but this is how I see him, but more widely it's a look at what karma might look like. Personally I wouldn't trade to have his life even though a have less than a fraction of his material wealth and power. As they say and as I'll paraphrase 'what does it benefit the man to gain the world but lose his soul?'

[Hojo]

@Butters if he beleives everything he is doing is good he dosent get any. Its not complex its reaction. You remeber what you react too that turns into your karma. If he is constantly focused on the present moment he won't pick any up.

In karma if you get raped and the rapist thinks what he does is okay and you don't you get karma he dosent. If you can somehow not react the killer will have immense pressure on his psyche. Its basically nothing is happening whoever thinks nothing is happening more gets less karma. If both do then there is a psyche battle.

 

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[SwiftQuill]

No such thing as karma. Reality doesn't care about morality. It's completely amoral and there's no such reward or punishment mechanism.

Where is Putin's karma? Where is Kim Jong Uns karma? Their karma is to live comfortable lives full of power and essentially 0 retribution.

If karma were a thing society would look very different.

[Hojo]

@SwiftQuill Karma is memory You dont remeber things you dont react too. You react to something its stored in your memory. Your memory repeats itself therefore you have karma.

Putins identity is Russia. Russia the country is not doing anything wrong to Russia the country. They don't get karma cause they are doing something good for Russia as seen by the eyes of Russia.

Society tricks you into creating negative karma for yourself. Life could be great for everyone if they see this. Stop the negative feedback loop from memory and turn it good and you allowed to do anything you want.

If you got fired you went i to your bosses office and they berate you and shit on you and you react negatively that will shape your future. If you go in and laugh in their face that will shape your future. That's karma.

 

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[SwiftQuill]

@Hojo Are you saying karma is a psychological phenomenon? Or do you mean it's a metaphysical phenomenon like in Hinduism?

If it's psychological, then Trump will never receive karma. I saw him in the Dr Phil interview saying "I never worry about things that bother me because I try not to think about it and I'm always busy with something else". He's not the type of person who feels worry, or regret, or guilt, or any of those normal things. I suppose that's a benefit to being a malignant narcissist. If anything his only negative emotion is anger.

I do sometimes wonder if the Hindu version of karma could exist. It would explain some things. The idea that you pay in this life for the sins of your past life, it's quite retarded, morally, but it would make sense as to why certain people experience a lot of injustices in this life. Undeserving of them.

Maybe Trump accumulated a lot of good karma in a past life and he's foolishly wasting it all in this one.

[Hojo]

@SwiftQuill Yes Gods not keeping a score outside in objective reality its keeping a score subjectively.

Theres no good or bad karma its just a system God created. If trump keeps feeling like he's doing great he will keep going. You should start thinking like trump and see what happens. Everyone around you is big and beautiful and you are big and beautiful and everyone you see is great. If someone disagrees with you they are dogshit and liars.

God keeps the score in your own mind. 

 

Its a mind set society purposefully puts people into karma situations they won't like and the elites put themselves into situations where they get karma they do like and they hide it from the population. They need people who feel like shit to slave for them.

If you can change a negative conciousness state into a positive one life will literally change to be better. Like you will physically manifest things you like out of thin air.

If you can get super ego without it effecting your reactions you can control the planet.

Think of a dreamer. The dream sucks the person reacts negatively the dream gets worse. The person punches the scary witch(i am strong) in the face it gets better and the witch goes away.

You are dreaming now and it works the same way.

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[SwiftQuill]

11 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SwiftQuill Yes Gods not keeping a score outside in objective reality its keeping a score subjectively.

Theres no good or bad karma its just a system God created. If trump keeps feeling like he's doing great he will keep going. You should start thinking like trump and see what happens. Everyone around you is big and beautiful and you are big and beautiful and everyone you see is great. If someone disagrees with you they are dogshit and liars.

God keeps the score in your own mind. 

 

Its a mind set society purposefully puts people into karma situations they won't like and the elites put themselves into situations where they get karma they do like and they hide it from the population. They need people who feel like shit to slave for them.

If you can change a negative conciousness state into a positive one life will literally change to be better. Like you will physically manifest things you like out of thin air.

If you can get super ego without it effecting your reactions you can control the planet.

Think of a dreamer. The dream sucks the person reacts negatively the dream gets worse. The person punches the scary witch(i am strong) in the face it gets better and the witch goes away.

Not sure I buy that. Sounds too good to be true. Like the Law of Attraction stuff that Rhonda Byrne teaches.

[Hojo]

@SwiftQuill God is too good to be true. Thats how it works try it. Just sit there and feel really good. And beleive this. This is real. You were tricked this is real.

 

Why is putin not dead? Because the way you were taught how reality works is a lie to keep you trapped.

Karma is still real.

In sadguru book he says how to get to heaven? Look and react to everyone as if they are Jesus and you are in heaven and reality will literally change to heaven.

When I awaken I was a drunk living in my mothers house at 33 depressed puking all over myself every night going to kill myself. I awaken I got this massive surge of positive beautiful energy through my body, shortly after I got a house the entire house was furnished by people in my town and I have a good easy union job and everything is good now. I never strived for any of this it just happened. I never learned how to think for myself I lived life at the seat of my pants. I stayed this way and I was forced into purchasing a house 20 k under its value. I bought the house for 30k and its worth 50k in 2022 when the houses in my country are skyrocketing beyond 100s of thousands. 

I literally just sat there and life is unfolding beautifully for me after 33 years of torture.

I am not saying bad things wont ever or cant happen to me now but I do see that I have the ability to react the way I want and the way I want should always be good. And that will shape my future.

You just have to have no attachments. Its just you and God. If you feel like something isnt working you need to be able to leave and give everything up without looking back or reacting negatively.

The reason men dont get sex is because they look at women and then react. The karma, them obsessing over sex, translates to when they see and talk to women. The reaction is showing God you want it, you want it you dont get it. If they could be around women like the women are men they could get women.

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[SwiftQuill]

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@SwiftQuill God is too good to be true. Thats how it works try it. Just sit there and feel really good. And beleive this. This is real. You were tricked this is real.

 

Why is putin not dead? Because the way you were taught how reality works is a lie to keep you trapped.

Karma is still real.

In sadguru book he says how to get to heaven? Look and react to everyone as if they are Jesus and you are in heaven and reality will literally change to heaven.

When I awaken I was a drunk living in my mothers house at 33 depressed puking all over myself every night going to kill myself. I awaken I got this massive surge of positive beautiful energy through my body, shortly after I got a house the entire house was furnished by people in my town and I have a good easy union job and everything is good now. I never strived for any of this it just happened. I never learned how to think for myself I lived life at the seat of my pants. I stayed this way and I was forced into purchasing a house 20 k under its value. I bought the house for 30k and its worth 50k in 2022 when the houses in my country are skyrocketing beyond 100s of thousands. 

I literally just sat there and life is unfolding beautifully for me after 33 years of torture.

I am not saying bad things wont ever or cant happen to me now but I do see that I have the ability to react the way I want and the way I want should always be good. And that will shape my future.

I'm glad to hear your situation has improved. Sincerely.

I don't know, I just feel life is 90% randomness. Only about 10% is within your control. I struggled to understand and accept this for a very long time. I've essentially given up on trying to manipulate the external world. Now, I mostly focus on myself. I do what makes me happy, I follow my life purpose, and there's that.

Every now and then I listen to shit like this:

Part of me wants to believe it. That if I change my mindset, that will literally change things. But I don't believe that's how it works. So much shit is outside your influence. I've been so blackpilled by life. In many domains.

I used to have a more spiritual perspective on things. But nowadays I see everything in the most nihilistic and materialistic way possible. Because that's the model that can only explain my reality.

I'm not a victim, though. I'm what Leo would consider at "Fighter" stage in that regard.

[Hojo]

@SwiftQuillThank you,

I think you are a victim in a sense, you are a fighter trained to fight ghosts. Nothing is happening but the current moment, you were born this morning.

Bad things will happen to you, you also have karma from past lives, so you have big situations to deal with that will hurt.

The hard thing to do with Karma is to be completely open towards other people and letting yourself get hurt by them and having no reaction to it.

Thats a good fighter and you will have to fight for your space in the world at all times. I see patronizing manipulation and gas lighting happening all day everyday in subtle ways that leave peoples identities hurt. Woman do it way more than men.

Like a dream character its your creation and it takes guts and courage to be open to it while being your honest self, cause people will criticize your honest self and we are trained to hide it via beatings and solitary confinement and punishments and self hatred. Thats also Karma.

You dont have to beleive it just try to do it for a bit. Reality is you and God and nothing else and God wants to give you what you want you just have to be excited and happy for him to give it you. If there is nothing to fight right here and now I can just feel happy and excited. If I cant why cant I?

Life is like God putting you into situations to pull your karma out of you. You get it pulled out by being yourself without caring.

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[Hojo]

@SwiftQuillKeep in mind that when putin or trump dies and see what they did from Gods pov they will have an infinite caring perspective and see what they have done and judge themselves. So they dont fully go without the karma. The memory is still there in Gods mind. Its massive Karma in that sense.

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[Basman]

The original meaning of karma has nothing to do with cosmic justice but is about the cause and effect of one's internal reality. It has more to do with how we create our own reality by the way we perceive things, the trauma we hold in our body. That is where the notion of past lives get slotted in.

Trumps actions definitely has backfired on him, like the attempts that have been made on his life (though that has also benefited in him in terms of polling), but that is more cause and effect and less that he did a "baddie" and god then punishing him accordingly. When Trump creates an atmosphere of antagonism with his rhetoric then it's not surprising when certain people then act on that with violence, but that is not "karma". Trumps need for narcissistic supply also backfires on him as he loses the support of the public with his insane tariff war. Or another example, Putins lack of interest in peace is making Trump look stupid on the global stage after all his boasting about swiftly ending the war which infuriates him. These are all cause and effect and the bad things that happen to Trump is because of his delusions and narcissism is driving him to act in ineffective and dangerous ways.

[Basman]

"Karmic justice" is the urban legend of the original Indian idea of karma. It's basically bullshit and shouldn't be taken seriously. It's a meme essentially.

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[Butters]

@Basman interesting. I know that narcissist like Trump are not living the good life internally, and I wouldn't want to trade with him even for a second. 

I guess what I meant by karma in this case is that he has true insight into his own evil and feels remorse. This will never happen, and is just a fantasy of my ego. I could then wonder: why does it matter to me? 👀

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Butters said:

I guess what I meant by karma in this case is that he has true insight into his own evil and feels remorse. This will never happen, and is just a fantasy of my ego. I could then wonder: why does it matter to me? 👀

He's too far gone. It's not possible to end up in Trump's state without cutting yourself off spiritually. 

[Exystem]

Karma means you carve certain trails into your possibility space that have momentum of inertia. You sculpt your own identity including subtle energy bodies that drive your experience of life. We are speaking about magnitudes of unnoumerous lifetimes where these dynamics play out. Consider the whole evolution of nature on planet erath as one carmic cycle for example, nature as one entity. The dinosaurs became extinct - their identity structure was erased like a sub-personality when you do shadow work.
Do all the lions suffer for eating gazelles? Do the cats get tortured for "playing" with mice?
So start to think big.
I'm really dissatisfied with the answers here, a lot of BS in my opinion (sorry). I don't want to engage further, just wanted to clarify.

[Apparition of Jack]

There are deeper forces at play. We live in an age of massive, massive restructuring, where the old assumptions and biases that got us through the last era in human existence are breaking down.

I don’t know if Trump will receive his “karma”; I think the world to come will be too light-based to allow for concepts like “revenge” or “punishment”, but somehow, his nasty actions won’t be forgotten either. 
 

Right now our job is just to buckle down, maintain a sense of love, nature and humanity, don’t get caught up in the politicising of it all, and don’t try and make predictions of how things will play out. 
 

Think of the current era like a quantum break in the basic laws of morality and society. What was up is now down. What was left is now right. Trying to grasp onto any one idea of “right” or “goodness” is foolish at a time like this, so instead we had just better learn to go with the flow until whatever the heck is happening finally comes to fruition.

Edited June 3 by Apparition of Jack

[Emerald]

I don't know very much technical information about Karma. But my understanding of it is more along the lines of lessons that must be learned and traumas that must be processed and growth that must happen.

And this is just my interpretation, but the way I see Trump is that he himself is a manifestation of the Karma of the collective consciousness of America and the first world.

What I mean is that Trump is a reflection of the Karma of the collective of humanity, and is a Karmic "expectorant" of sorts that dredges up a lot of things that people don't want to face with.

He seems the ideal embodiment and reflection of the collective American Shadow.... of unbounded ego, Capitalist greed, anti-intellectualism, falseness, and ugly glamour.

So, I believe that we're collectively "burning off Karma" through the Trump presidency because it brings so much hidden unpleasant stuff from the collective unconscious up to the surface to be faced with and processed and learned from.

The past 10ish years has been one big Trumpy shit sandwich of Karma that we're all collectively eating through. 

Edited June 4 by Emerald

[Leo Gura]

Emerald is saying that Trump is a pimple on America's face after eating too much junk food.

Or, America's demon child after fornicating with the Devil.

Edited June 4 by Leo Gura