Psychedelic Self-Deception

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Do you know what triggered it so much?

My desire for a girlfriend.

Edited May 31 by Leo Gura

[Daniel Balan]

I love actualized.org! I am eternally grateful to Leo and his work! But one thing that I've always disagreed with Leo since my first interaction with actualized.org, was psychadelics! I've never tried them and I will die without ever trying psychedelics! To me psychedelics are total BS! Even if you find the most amazing breakthroughs using them, their effect will fade away in 24 hours and you will be stuck in the same level of consciousness! Plus it takes enormous self discipline to not become an addict junkie! I think that whatever you wanna pursue in life, spiritual and non spiritual matters, all should be done 100% SOBER! Another reason I never tried a psychedelic is because I believe that I am under psychedelic influence already! I am high on breathing air! To me reality feels so unreal, so magical, everything seems so miraculous! The fact that I have eyesight, smell, hearing, thoughts, intuition! How beautiful and other worldly the earth and the sky is, the clouds, the wind, the water! It all feels so dream like! Breathing air into your lungs is the best psychedelic! Not some bullshit chemical cooked up in a lab by a devil!

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

I love actualized.org! I am eternally grateful to Leo and his work! But one thing that I've always disagreed with Leo since my first interaction with actualized.org, was psychadelics! I've never tried them and I will die without ever trying psychedelics! To me psychedelics are total BS! Even if you find the most amazing breakthroughs using them, their effect will fade away in 24 hours and you will be stuck in the same level of consciousness! Plus it takes enormous self discipline to not become an addict junkie! I think that whatever you wanna pursue in life, spiritual and non spiritual matters, all should be done 100% SOBER! Another reason I never tried a psychedelic is because I believe that I am under psychedelic influence already! I am high on breathing air! To me reality feels so unreal, so magical, everything seems so miraculous! The fact that I have eyesight, smell, hearing, thoughts, intuition! How beautiful and other worldly the earth and the sky is, the clouds, the wind, the water! It all feels so dream like! Breathing air into your lungs is the best psychedelic! Not some bullshit chemical cooked up in a lab by a devil!

Most of this post is bs.

[Unlimited]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

I've never tried them and I will die without ever trying psychedelics!

Never say never.

There is nothing comparable to psychedelics for changing your state so drastically—and without such a change of state, God-realization is virtually impossible.

[RendHeaven]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Self-deception still happens on 5-MeO.

My soulmate thing was on 5-MeO.

5-MeO won't save you from self-deception if you aren't very careful.

@Leo Gura I see.

Still, you must admit there are less epistemic temptations and sirens on 5meo than LSD or NNDMT

[Carl-Richard]

Turning the movie to 4k UHD when the movie is self-deception, self-bias, of course that happens. You gotta turn off the movie and stare at the blank screen, and even then, the after-image of the movie is still burned into your retina.

Edited June 1 by Carl-Richard

[Daniel Balan]

@Unlimited I firmly disagree! If you need a fucked up chemical to realize God, you are better off living life without realizing God! Everything about reality is so beautiful already, everything seems so magical and unreal, this very existence is a psychedelic experience! You guys don't need poisonous brain frying chemicals to be aware of God! Just breathe in air, in a way you are breathing in god itself! 

[krazzer]

I have barely touched psychedelics, I have nothing against them, but there is no pull towards them.

If you feel that you should use them for self (or god)  realisation, go for it, but also quit using them if they don't work for you, and be honest about this to yourself. 

It's not uncommon to be stuck on a dead end for years or even decades.

[Schizophonia]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

 

Self-deception

What does "self-deception" means ? Where does self-deception comes from ?

I meant the notion of self-deception gives a feeling of randomness, which is an illusion. 

 

I have never experienced self delusion while tripping, it's always very "rational". 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

My desire for a girlfriend.

Yeppp - I don't know about your experiences, but this is amplified into giga-delusion territory if you take them together.

Then, not only is it an internal recursive thought joyride, but someone else is there to reinforce all the delusion.

TBH interpersonal issues of any kind make trips hell for me. It just seems to be this area I have trouble with while using.

Retired from psychedelics now, still didn't lose the obsession with men. 

Love them, but stumble.

[RendHeaven]

1 minute ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

still didn't lose the obsession with men. 

life is cruel 😂

[Breakingthewall]

once did 5 meo DMT, and a guy I used to associate with came to mind. I saw him as pure and virtuous, like a saint. Afterward, I wrote him a letter saying how lucky I was to have met someone so upright and pure (thank goodness I didn't send it to him). The guy stole a significant amount of money by falsifying a document. He spent a year lying, saying he was doing something when he was actually stealing. Later, I found out he had a criminal record for organized crime. The guy was a lawyer and former councilor of a province, by the way. A complete pure saint.

[Breakingthewall]

On 31/5/2025 at 11:55 AM, RendHeaven said:

This is why I have a strong preference for 5meodmt and 5meomalt.

there's no "content" in those trips. you don't see "things" and all ideas about your "life" are wiped away.

on 5meo breakthroughs you hit clean, white-out Infinity/Insanity and everything else gets recycled into the Abyss. no room for bs

It depends, in some moments it's just openess, no content, but in others there are "revelations". Some of them are extremely useful, others are just delirium 

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

once did 5 meo DMT, and a guy I used to associate with came to mind. I saw him as pure and virtuous, like a saint. Afterward, I wrote him a letter saying how lucky I was to have met someone so upright and pure (thank goodness I didn't send it to him). The guy stole a significant amount of money by falsifying a document. He spent a year lying, saying he was doing something when he was actually stealing. Later, I found out he had a criminal record for organized crime. The guy was a lawyer and former councilor of a province, by the way. A complete pure saint.

One can be energetically very "clean" and commit acts that are reprehensible by law because one is not sensitive to it.

[Schizophonia]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

delirium 

What is a delirium ?

[Breakingthewall]

11 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Even if you find the most amazing breakthroughs using them, their effect will fade away in 24 hours and you will be stuck in the same level of consciousness!

That's not exactly like that ,depends on your goal. If your goal is to "see things," it's a bit silly, as you say. But It depends; it can also be interesting. But if your goal is to break down the barriers in your mind, then they work. The barriers then rebuild, but each time the dynamites are a little weaker.

Psychedelics can permanently change your energetic structure, and if you know what you want, it's a change for the much better.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

What is a delirium ?

thinking you're Jesus Christ and stuff like that

[Breakingthewall]

4 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

One can be energetically very "clean" and commit acts that are reprehensible by law because one is not sensitive to it.

The guy is Turkish from a remote province close siria. Researching him, I discovered that while he was a councilman, he expropriated land from poor families with the help of his police connections, threatening to buy it for a fraction of the real price, taking advantage of his privileged position.

I saw him a few months ago in a trial with his son. I winked at him and he bowed his head. The prosecutor is asking for nine years in prison. I made a will stating that if anything happened to me, the trial would continue through someone else, and I sent it to him in case he had any... definitive ideas. He's a complete son of a bitch who would kill you for money without hesitation. 

But who knows, maybe he does for his family, and for him he's a fighter who does what must be done. 

[Schizophonia]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

thinking you're Jesus Christ and stuff like that

How do you know you're not "Jesus Christ" who is delusional and believes he's "breaking the wall" ?

As technically you are imaginative and capable of doing anything and everything, and now you are playing a much smaller archetype that "posts" on a "spirituality" "forum".

Actually we dont know att all.

 

 

I also say this because I know that my spiritual mirrors are essentially "skizoid" and a bit dysthymic people, who are used to being disconnected from the self, typically  because they learned to be swallowed up by the dreams of their parents and then of others.

So maybe the trip puts you in a state of creativity, a schizoid-revolutionary state, as Deleuze would say, where you want to play the Jesus archetype (not to mention developing powers, lol), or the soulmate, etc.

And then the trip wears off, and you return to the idea that life is shit.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

How do you know you're not "Jesus Christ" who is delusional and believes he's "breaking the wall" ?

As technically you are imaginative and capable of doing anything and everything, and now you are playing a much smaller archetype that "posts" on a "spirituality" "forum".

Actually we dont know att all.

 

 

I also say this because I know that my spiritual mirrors are essentially "skizoid" and a bit dysthymic people, who are used to being disconnected from the self, typically  because they learned to be swallowed up by the dreams of their parents and then of others.

So maybe the trip puts you in a state of creativity, a schizoid-revolutionary state, as Deleuze would say, where you want to play the Jesus archetype (not to mention developing powers, lol), or the soulmate, etc.

And then the trip wears off, and you return to the idea that life is shit.

Well, with the experience I've gained with psychedelics, I've learned not to believe anything specific that pops into my head while I'm tripping unless it's something about my energetic reality. That is, if while I'm tripping, I see that my relationship with my girlfriend is making me feel limited and confined that's a reality because it's my feeling. But if what I see while tripping is that my girlfriend is having random sex on Tinder, or that she is selfish and bad, then I don't believe it; it could be easily a delusion 

Edited June 1 by Breakingthewall