Martin Ball says he's not solipsistic

[Breakingthewall]

45 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

I'm asking, if your POV has no boundaries, how could there be others ? There's no room

Any fraction of infinity is infinite. In fact, the fact that there are no limits that give rise to what we could call infinity makes it necessary for there to be infinite perspectives, since it precisely has no limits and be limited to one , or any other number would be limited 

Think in the obvious fact that in eternity the reality has adopted infinite perspectives, and eternity is now. 

Edited May 28 by Breakingthewall

[Loveeee]

@Salvijus @Breakingthewall

I'm saying this "bubble of experience", has no bounds, there's nothing outside of it, it's reality itself

But hey 

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[Breakingthewall]

10 hours ago, gengar said:

Because the entire notion of "two" existing in the first place is impossible. There is only one thing; The totality of all things.

If you hit your knee with a hammer it feels different than if you hit my knee with a hammer, then we are two

Anyway, if you are the only perspective that exists, why you can't control the reality? Who's making the things appear? You? God? 

[Loveeee]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Hey, most of us (humanity) probably don’t know what this thing called direct consciousness really is

Funny when that's all there is 

[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Salvijus I'm saying this "bubble of experience", has no bounds, there's nothing outside of it, it's reality itself

But hey 

And I have no problems with that. There's no contradiction between a boundless experience and an infinite number of perspectives of that one boundless experience. 

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[Loveeee]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

And I have no problems with that. There's no contradiction between a boundless experience and an infinite number of perspectives of that one boundless experience. 

Think of it this way. Is it more likely that there is only one wave in the infinite ocean, or that there are infinite waves in an infinite ocean? 

I meant POV, same thing  

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

@Salvijus @Breakingthewall

I'm saying this "bubble of experience", has no bounds, there's nothing outside of it, it's reality itself

But hey 

This bubble of experience has very clear limits, if it were unlimited any experience would be impossible. Experience means time, something happening, that implies limits 

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[Carl-Richard]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Solipsism means there's only your POV.

Stop saying there's anyone else but you -- if you're talking about solipsism. Stop imagining them, stop assuming them, stop theorizing about them.

Go into your toilet and notice, the only one who exists in your toilet is you. That's it. Nothing else. Everyone else is a fiction. When you are sitting there on your toilet, no other humans being has ever existed but you. You've never even seen another human being.

That's how serious solipsism is.

Not even your toilet exists.

[UnbornTao]

9 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

Funny when that's all there is 

If you're conscious of that (not a small if), then it sounds like a solid realization. 

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[Loveeee]

1 truth but 10,000 lies

If people like Martin Ball or Rupert Spira can deny solipsism like that, anyone can no matter what is said or done 

Like Leo said, God has divine capacity for denial and self-deception

[Breakingthewall]

Enlightenment is: I am everything 

Solipsism is: the others doesn't exist. 

which of the two do others exist? In solipsism, since they are thought of negatively. In the other option, neither others nor anything concrete has any relevance; they are neither denied nor affirmed; you simply open yourself to your infinite nature.

Then you can understand that there are infinite perspectives, just because...why not?

[Harikrishnan]

18 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Enlightenment is: I am everything 

Solipsism is: the others doesn't exist. 

which of the two do others exist? In solipsism, since they are thought of negatively. In the other option, neither others nor anything concrete has any relevance; they are neither denied nor affirmed; you simply open yourself to your infinite nature.

Then you can understand that there are infinite perspectives, just because...why not?

I am everything so others doesn’t exist.  😬

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Harikrishnan said:

I am everything so others doesn’t exist.  😬

you are everything and the others too, because you are limitless 

"The others don't exist" is a limit 

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[Water by the River]

15 hours ago, Loveeee said:

You're not answering, if your bubble of consciousness has in fact no boundary, what room is there for other bubbles ? 

Endless. No problem.

Space is imagined, and your thinking sounds like 3D-thinking and bubbles.

3D-space, and any space, and any dimension (and be it n-dimensional) is just imagined. Space is not real. Absolute Reality is dimensionless and contains/manifests/imagines endless dimensions.

Just add a 5h dimension to our 3D-world (and 4th dimension is time), and this 5th dimension is the endless amount of further perspectives/"beings" that are "forgotten" real-time. Et voila, you have endless beings/perspectives, but only one formless and infinite (and that is not not 3D-space or any space/dimension contained) fundamental Reality/Awareness.

Add one more dimension and you have endless universes. Cluster them, loop them, do all kind of funny things with them. Mathematics can easily do that with Euclidian or Non-Euclidian dimensions, and mathematics is contained by Reality, so Reality can do it.

Now mathematics can handle endless dimensions, and these can even be looped/contained/whatever funny non-euclidian dimensions are possible.

Indras Net is just a simplified model/version of the One Reality looking through an Infinity  of perspectives/beings/eyes.

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=Indras Net&author=Water by the River

https://www.actualized.org/forum/search/?&q=leavitt&author=Water by the River

 

 

 

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[Salvijus]

51 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

If people like Martin Ball or Rupert Spira can deny solipsism like that, anyone can no matter what is said or done 

Like Leo said, God has divine capacity for denial and self-deception

Yes, just include yourself into this aswell. 

[Salvijus]

53 minutes ago, Loveeee said:

 

If people like Martin Ball or Rupert Spira can deny solipsism like that

And every mystic that ever lived*

[Spiral Wizard]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The proof is that it's only in your mind right now.

Your mind IS the universe. If your mind dies, that's the universe.

I had a solopsistic awakening on LSD and it changed my appreciation of what Leo is teaching very much.

I remembered how I basically tripped myself into this life so taking LSD in this life was less of a trip and more of a becoming sober/conscious and remembering how this entire life was a trip of forgetting myself as God (meaning, the ONLY, ETERNAL, UNLIMITED, CONSCIOUS, BEING in existence). I knew that I've been waking up to this/myself for eternity through countless different forms and will continue to play this game of evolving through countless different forms (matter, plants, animals, humans, aliens, etc.) forever. God has literally evolved through the entire universe to become you and wake up in a new, unique way again as you and through you (if you do wake up! if not in this lifetime, this lifetime is in service of waking up another time in another form eventually). 

There was a feeling of being able to exit completely and die into the sigularity which seemed like a never ending orgasm of pure white light but after speaking with a wise guide who has walked the path I believe it will just continue forever. Meaning even if I die into the singularity I will eventually just pop out again. This is not a circle but a spiral in which I wake up to the truth at ever higher levels and integrate it into form in ever greater levels of embodied love. 

Without this experaince I couldn't help myself but see solopsism from the minds perspecitive but as Leo says, solopsism isn't an idea, it's direct consciousnes. And to be honest, even though in a way it is terrifying, it's not as bad as the mind makes it out to be. In fact, all that is bad about it is what the mind makes it out to be. Without the minds resistance to it, the direct conssciousness alone, is just fine. No big deal in fact because you are God and have ALWAYS been God, so it's not like a suprise - even though of course waking up is suprising - you are really just remembing what you have been. 

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[Harikrishnan]

36 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

you are everything and the others too, because you are limitless 

"The others don't exist" is a limit 

When you are everything there is no other. You havent awakened to it. Until then this talk is going circles. 

[Spiral Wizard]

3 hours ago, Salvijus said:

By definition there is no room for anything else. But there is infinite room for points of self recognition. You're just one of those points. There is nothing stopping conciousness from creating infinite more like you. 

I agree with this after my solopsistic experience! 

[Spiral Wizard]

@Leo Gura do you still hold the position from your video on infinity of Gods?