How do you cope with man-children?

[Twentyfirst]

Isn't Sweden rape capital of the world or something. The women should stand behind the man

Men just need to man up. Simple as that. No formula needed

[Alexop]

21 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Isn't Sweden rape capital of the world or something. The women should stand behind the man

Men just need to man up. Simple as that. No formula needed

easier said than done, they've been deeply pussified. Women here scream for healthy masculine men, but they fail to appear.

I even dated a feminist and environmental activist, she had meetings with Greta Thunberg at work. She told me she never knew how "straghtforwardness" at a date feels before, she could not wait to meet me.

[Nemra]

20 hours ago, Alexop said:

I love feminine women

Ironically, the more masculine activities I did, the more I got captivated by masculine behavior. 😅

Sorry for diverting from the topic.

[Alexop]

36 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Ironically, the more masculine activities I did, the more I got captivated by masculine behavior. 😅

Sorry for diverting from the topic.

healthy masculinity is so attractive that it makes straight men gay.

 

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[Lyubov]

22 hours ago, SwiftQuill said:

Men are betacucks these days and it's ugh. But I don't blame them. Society demonizes most forms of masculinity these days.

Nowadays the ideal male is:

• Feminist
• Soft spoken
• Respectful
• Asexual 
• Politically correct

And if you dare go outside the ideal norm by one milimeter you are called a "toxic male".

I’m noticing two extremes here. I see guys swinging from one extreme to another. I think there are a ton of young men who have been red pilled but are equally as childish and take on some ridiculous beliefs. At the same time they are basically getting scammed and financing the lives of the social media guys they look up to. You then have the liberal millennial type guy who gets called soft for wanting human rights but he falls short in taking responsibility and taking account for himself and what he actually wants. So you can label one worse than the other, one side espouses violence and scamming while the other espouses unrealistic ideals that lead to confusion in identity, both have unique problems. 

[Alexop]

14 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

I’m noticing two extremes here. I see guys swinging from one extreme to another. I think there are a ton of young men who have been red pilled but are equally as childish and take on some ridiculous beliefs. At the same time they are basically getting scammed and financing the lives of the social media guys they look up to. You then have the liberal millennial type guy who gets called soft for wanting human rights but he falls short in taking responsibility and taking account for himself and what he actually wants. So you can label one worse than the other, one side espouses violence and scamming while the other espouses unrealistic ideals that lead to confusion in identity, both have unique problems. 

Yups. And this is precisely why they are not healthy men, because they follow other people narratives. They do not CREATE something new, they just follow a sheep herd. The Red Pill macho, JP nonsense herd or the soft woke emasculated herd. 

Now it depends how high you set th bar for calling a man healthy. I have pretty high strandards for this. We have somewhat mature 40+ dads who do their best, but they are still meh. 

Edited May 22 by Alexop

[Rafael Thundercat]

Not the most deep analysis to the whole world since culture influence a lot but is possible to get some insigths here

 

[Alexop]

28 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Not the most deep analysis to the whole world since culture influence a lot but is possible to get some insigths here

 

Thanks, will finish it today and come with feedback.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

You sound like a dickhead, ngl. Everyone agreeing with you as well. Not saying you necessarilly are one, but you sound like one

[Alexop]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

You sound like a dickhead, ngl. Everyone agreeing with you as well. Not saying you necessarilly are one, but you sound like one

Ok I don't give shit. Your are here to hear the truth not sugar-coated hippie shit. If you want to hear that go to some Stage Green meditation forum or some shit like that. This is Yellow stuff and Yellow stuff hurts. This is why only +-1%  of people are Yellow.

This is the only place where I can be truly myself without being cancelled.

Edited May 22 by Alexop

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

18 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Ok I don't give shit. Your are here to hear the truth not sugar-coated hippie shit. If you want to hear that go to some Stage Green meditation forum or some shit like that. This is Yellow stuff and Yellow stuff hurts. This is why only +-1%  of people are Yellow.

This is the only place where I can be truly myself without being cancelled.

But you're making points with no substance, just some sweeping generalizations about Swedish men or whatever. And then you want to return to traditional gender roles when modernity clearly doesn't allow for it anymore and it's retarded. As if swedish men are the only group of people who are uncondident pussies, when clearly almost everyone is keeping to themselves nowadays. And who gives a shit how well off other men are anyway.

Then you're for some strange reason choosing to dump shit on men with trauma, saying they're not men, whatever the fuck that even means. If you got the genitals you are a man. Everything else is just someone else's dumb opinion and interpretation of how you should behave in X and Y way

Edited May 22 by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Raze]

4 hours ago, Alexop said:

Yups. And this is precisely why they are not healthy men, because they follow other people narratives. They do not CREATE something new, they just follow a sheep herd. The Red Pill macho, JP nonsense herd or the soft woke emasculated herd. 

Now it depends how high you set th bar for calling a man healthy. I have pretty high strandards for this. We have somewhat mature 40+ dads who do their best, but they are still meh. 

That is absurd, every man can’t create everything from the ground up, society is built on men being initiated into the culture and give a set of guidelines 

[SwiftQuill]

"men bad"

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

But you're making points with no substance, just some sweeping generalizations about Swedish men or whatever. And then you want to return to traditional gender roles when modernity clearly doesn't allow for it anymore and it's retarded. As if swedish men are the only group of people who are uncondident pussies, when clearly almost everyone is keeping to themselves nowadays. And who gives a shit how well off other men are anyway.

Then you're for some strange reason choosing to dump shit on men with trauma, saying they're not men, whatever the fuck that even means. If you got the genitals you are a man. Everything else is just someone else's dumb opinion and interpretation of how you should behave in X and Y way

By posting this thread I expected Leo to answer me, who already knows implicitly the whole story. I don't have time and patience to explain the whole Yin-Yang dynamics for you newbies here. I wrote a whole book about this topic, I can't just explain everything to you here. 

You being here is like me going to some rocket science forum calling the engineers there to be brainwashed because I don't understand simple math.

I first recommend you to:

Watch Leo's video about Masculinity and Femininity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmeDDN1_TSQ&ab_channel=Actualized.org

Then read:

"Beyoind Mars and Venus" and "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" by John Grey

Then go more advanced with "The Way of the Superior Man" by David Deida

This assumed you have a basic understanding of Spiral Dynamics, developmental psychology, modern vs postmodern culture, paradigm lock, ideology etc.

 

Edited May 22 by Alexop

[Alexop]

1 hour ago, Raze said:

That is absurd, every man can’t create everything from the ground up, society is built on men being initiated into the culture and give a set of guidelines 

good point. First you need to build your intellectual base by following expereinced teachers. But after learning the basics from experienced sages, you continue on your own path, you contemplate your own ideas. You continue as a lone wolf, not depending on approval and love from a Tier 1 group. Because PURE understanding is more important than some sex or some survival shit. That is where men are forged, in the place where truth is more important than survival. I might take my life tomorrow, who knows, but even if I do that, at least I will be proud that I became a man, that I followed my hero's journey path fighting the dragons instead of staying in the cozy safe village doing yoga with women and children.

Of course you continue to read books, watch docs etc. But you won't suck at JP's tit or kiss Judith Butler's rainbow ass. You will be able to draw your own conclusions, your skepticism will be sharp as a japanese knife

This is the main reason most people fail in reaching Tier 2, because they are dependent on love/acceptance/sex etc. given by other Tier 1 people.

This is no joke. My only friend whom I believed will make it, got lost into Stage Green newage nonsense. And when I tell him he took the wrong path, he tells me that all his Vipassana friends are on his side of argument and I am alone. Just because some Stage Green sheep give you kudos, does not mean you are right.

This path is scary, but worth every minute if you make it. I dabbled in all sorts of sports and shit, but finally I feel I'm at the top in one thing, which beats all possible sports. Personal development. The winners of this "sport" will be the happiest in the world, while olympic medalists sit in the bath tub with a bucket of icecream crying.

Art of contemplation:'

This video has 8k views while Mr. Beast makes billions of views by throwing fucking trains into potholes. This summarizes our level of development right now.

Edited May 22 by Alexop

[Salvijus]

You just want validation. You're complaining because that strengthens your self image as a "great guy". Ironicly you're being here immature yourself. 

Edited May 23 by Salvijus

[Emerald]

Too much intellectual fodder here about how men and women ought to be that doesn't reflect the way that real men and women relate to each other in the world.

But the intellectualization is just there in lieu of actual human-to-human connection... and it gives the sense that Masculinity and Femininity are under attack. But these energies are subtle to begin with.

The discomfort just comes from people who get attached to the notion of Masculine and Feminine expressions being stark and extreme... as opposed to subtle and woven into a very ordinary fabric.

People want extremes... but the reality is not extreme.

I think everyone should just stop trying to be Masculine or Feminine and just allow whatever happens to be there to be there. These are innate essences that come together in unique ways in individuals... and they come through much more potently if you stop trying.

And the more your mind constructs an image of the "the way that men ought to be", you will try to shove yourself in that box and stunt yourself... and stop the synergy between your Masculine and Feminine side.

I notice that it's the men who worry the most about "being Masculine", tend to have the shakiest relationship with their Masculine side.

Whereas more mature guys tend to give off a more effortless subtle essence of their unique Masculine and Feminine combination. And in naturally Masculine men, it comes through as mostly Masculine with a little bit of Feminine... a little bit like how a pinch of salt draws emphasis to the sweetness of a dessert.

But that isn't something the mind can do through trying to match up to arbitrary ideas of Masculinity. 

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You just want validation. You're complaining because that strengthens your self image as a "great guy". Ironicly you're being here immature yourself. 

Yeah dude sure, the basic rethoric of the "wise" guy on this forum. Someone talks with passion and courage about something and is being called selfish, egomaniac etc. 

Have some counter-arguments to my statements? Bring it on. Calling me whatever? I don't care.

Sometimes I feel like only Leo can be taken seriously on this forum, especially on these niche, sensitive subjects.

You guys take rethorics too seriously, you try to find faults in the person, not the content of their statements. But yea, this might be byproducts of the years of consciouness work and love practice you do.

Edited May 23 by Alexop

[Alexop]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

Too much intellectual fodder here about how men and women ought to be that doesn't reflect the way that real men and women relate to each other in the world.

Yes there has to be intelectual fodder, otherwise we don't know how to relate to each other.

 

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

I think everyone should just stop trying to be Masculine or Feminine and just allow whatever happens to be there to be there. These are innate essences that come together in unique ways in individuals... and they come through much more potently if you stop trying.

This right here can bring down the happiness in a nation. This is the rhetoric Swedish people get all day and look at them. Women are ok but 95% of men are wimps. This message doesn't work. Brainwashing people to believe man and woman roles are just a fuzzy thing and only the looks makes us different is one of the most dangerous intellectual mistakes we have right now in society. My ex Swedish GF told me most women just cope with their partners because they have no other alternative. Just imagine how sad this sounds, to live a life of quiet desperation. Even the feminist activist I dated was stunned to see that there is an alternative to the nice guy wimp or the macho jerk, she didn't meet someone like that before.

I talk with so much courage about this subject because in the last 3 years I researched and contemplated it exclusively. And it completely changed my life.

Leo's statement about treating women like children changed my life. I opposed it at first because, as I said, personal experience bias. But in a normal world this is more or less true. 

I would expand it also to treat most men like children until they prove you wrong. Of course, this would be an insult to children as children are spontaneous, fun and daring but you get the idea. The thing is that women being treated like children is cute, they really love it when a competent man takes care of the harsh survival tasks while she relaxes in her feminine side. Shell and pearl dynamics as Teal says.

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[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, Alexop said:

Sometimes I feel like only Leo can be taken seriously on this forum, especially on these niche, sensitive subjects.

I bet he thinks you're being lame also.