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2 hours ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

Being with a girl is gay. Being interested in a girl is gay. Being jealous over a girl is super gay. Talking to a girl? Totally gay. Holding the door for a girl? Gay. Smiling at a girl? Yup, you’re just asking for it. Sharing your fries with a girl? Full-on gay. Looking at a girl’s shoes? Don’t even try to deny it, that’s some serious gay energy right there.

You're kidding but repressed homosexuality can sometimes be expressed through jealousy.

Most jealous men aren't gay of course lol but a gay man can project his desire to get rid of his girlfriend, which will then translate into jealousy.

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Always this projection mechanism and by extension mirror effect

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15 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

No one is saying poly can't be done.

The issue is that Aubrey is trying to have it both ways. He isn't capable of monogamy nor is he capable of full poly. He's trying to have the best of both, which is an example of the ego maximizing value for itself. It's this kind of high manipulated survival but it is romanticized as highly spiritual.

What do you mean by full poly?

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Some women will interpret lack of jealousy as lack of containment.

Are you really taking ownership of the relationship if you're so flippant over who she sleeps with?

Not saying it has to be that way, just pointing out a potential trap.


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20 hours ago, Raze said:

He’s not going to get genuine love from a 25 year old supermodel if the only reason they’re interested is because he’s one of the richest men in the world. They are just after his money in that case.

That’s why famous people usually get in relationships with other famous people (if not someone they knew before they were famous), dating their fans often feels fake and weird because they don’t feel any genuine interest, just money and fame. The ones who do sleep with their fans usually do so casually with no actual relationship. 

Most super wealthy guys who try to date after becoming wealthy just get gold diggers, they spend so much time working they have 0 game and turn most women off when they lead with money, as a result women who want their money get them wrapped around their fingers. 

If they have a more genuine relationship it’s usually someone they were with before or someone of similar wealth. 

Most young women aren't interested in much older men, that's true.... as 85% of women want a partner who's close to their own age and would never consider dating a much older man. (and that's wise of them)

But there are probably many young women who would have genuine attraction and feelings for him. Like, when I was in my mid-twenties, had I been single, I'd have probably been open to dating a guy as old as 50 if I REALLY REALLY liked him.... though my age preference would have been 30 to 40 at age 25. (between 5 and 15 years older)

Jeff Bezos is a bit older than that as he'd be 35 years older than a 25 year old woman. 

But it's not inconceivable to me that 3-5%ish of young women would be genuinely interested in him, since I've always been attracted to older men... and not for opportunistic or calculated reasons. I was just always attracted to more mature features and attitudes towards the world.

Of course, it wouldn't be a good idea to have such an extreme age gap because it puts you in a totally different phase of life from your partner, and the young person ends up having to skip out on their youth (and unfortunate reality of having a preference for older partners as a young person).

But I have no doubt that a large number of non-gold-digger young women would potentially be interested in him, given my own attractions.

And he's a high profile guy. So, while a non-famous older man might only come across a young woman who's genuinely interested in him as a person once every blue moon... there are no limits to the options that a famous guy would have, as he's just on a lot of people's radar.

Let's low-ball it and say that 1% of young women would be open to dating a guy who is 35 years older than her. The number is probably closer to 5%, I'd wager. But a low estimate is 1%.

And several 10s of millions of people know who Jeff Bezos is (probably more)... with half of them being women. And then, 1/7 of those are young women. And then 1% of those young women would be genuinely interested in a guy of his age.

So, if 10 million women know that Jeff Bezos exists... then 14,285 women in their 20s would be genuinely interested in him... assuming that 1% of women would be open to dating a guy who's 35 years older.

And I'm sure that Bezos doesn't have any sense of scarcity when it comes to his choice in partners... as he's probably quite well aware that he has lots of genuine options mixed in with the gold-diggers (which would also be true of more age-appropriate partners, so it's the same sorting game regardless of the age of the prospective female partners.)

So, I have only to come to the conclusion that Bezos has married his wife because she is the specific one that he wants to be with.

I guarantee that it isn't a choice borne out of a lack of options... as he certainly has options out the wazoo. His high profile alone would guarantee that he would never have to make a marriage decision based off of settling for what he can get, because any well-known man is on TONS of women's radars. (And I don't necessarily mean this as a status-attraction thing... I mean it in a neutral sense where many people are aware of his existence on the planet. That alone will guarantee TONS of options.)


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Some years back Bezos' phone was hacked by the Saudi government and his text messages leaked. In those text messages he talks about how much he loves his wife.

So this isn't a matter of speculation. You can find the texts. They are pretty cringe but authentic.

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6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Some years back Bezos' phone was hacked by the Saudi government and his text messages leaked. In those text messages he talks about how much he loves his wife.

So this isn't a matter of speculation. You can find the texts. They are pretty cringe but authentic.

That's what I supposed was the case.


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Some years back Bezos' phone was hacked by the Saudi government and his text messages leaked. In those text messages he talks about how much he loves his wife.

So this isn't a matter of speculation. You can find the texts. They are pretty cringe but authentic.

and now they're divorced and jeffy has a barbie milf lol

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

But it's not inconceivable to me that 3-5%ish of young women would be genuinely interested in him

way way way way way less.

his wealth is an x factor that cannot be explained away.

there really is no such thing as loving bezos genuinely for who he is. but he did that to himself.


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1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Some years back Bezos' phone was hacked by the Saudi government and his text messages leaked. In those text messages he talks about how much he loves his wife.

So this isn't a matter of speculation. You can find the texts. They are pretty cringe but authentic.

wait, it's even worse lol.

apparently those texts were sent to lauren sanchez, the barbie milf and current wife, WHILE HE WAS STILL MARRIED TO HIS OLD WIFE (mackenzie scott)

so your point works against you Leo. He loved his then-side piece more than his then-wife. And as of 2025, the side piece is now the new wife


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@RendHeaven I was talking about his new wife, not the old one.

It is no secret that he got sick of his first wife. And there's nothing unusual about that. People grow apart after 20 years.

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23 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

way way way way way less.

his wealth is an x factor that cannot be explained away.

there really is no such thing as loving bezos genuinely for who he is. but he did that to himself.

I didn't mean Bezos specifically with that percentage. I meant that 3-5% of women would be willing to date a man 35 years older than her for non-gold-digger reasons... and just because she is attracted to him and wants a relationship with him.

Of course, it would be a smaller number than that that would go for Jeff Bezos specifically. Probably 1/5 of that 3-5% who are willing to date a guy who's 35 years older than her would be interested in Bezos specifically.

And I'm not even talking about his wealth X factor specifically. It's the fact that he's well-known where a lot of people know he exists that gives him so many options.

If suddenly, tens or hundreds of millions of women on the planet suddenly knew that you existed, your number of options would go up exponentially even if you were broke.

It just about having eye-balls on yourself.

And wealth both helps and hurts if you're looking for someone to be genuinely interested in you.

The fact still stands that Bezos probably didn't choose his wife because of lack of options... as simply being well-known will mean that he has a thousand times more options than the average man.


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25 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

wait, it's even worse lol.

apparently those texts were sent to lauren sanchez, the barbie milf and current wife, WHILE HE WAS STILL MARRIED TO HIS OLD WIFE (mackenzie scott)

so your point works against you Leo. He loved his then-side piece more than his then-wife. And as of 2025, the side piece is now the new wife

It's the new wife that I was referring to as well.

But the point is that both his new wife and his previous wife are close to his age range.

I forget who it was now, but someone earlier in the thread was saying that Bezos wouldn't be able to land a 25 year old because of lack of genuine non-gold-digger options. 

But I said that there's a small but sizable percentage of 25 year old women who would be genuinely interested in having a relationship with Bezos (or a man of his age) if that was really what Bezos was looking for.

Instead, he likely chose his wife because it's who he genuinely wants to be with... not because of a lack of younger options or a lack of options in general. 

Any well-known person has no lack of options based purely on the fact that more people know that they exist.


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29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@RendHeaven I was talking about his new wife, not the old one.

It is not secret that he go sick of his first wife. Amd there's nothing usuual about that. People grow apart after 20 years.

My original point was that men with outrageous sexual options generally don't jump on monogamy because there is no survival incentive. And I don't just mean men who fuck through logistical exchange, I mean men who have women authentically drooling and melting and saying "I love you"

Conversely, men who do jump on monogamy tend to have limited options, and are seizing to lock down and hoard "the best they can get." No, not all people, but most people.

My point was that sexual exclusivity and "loyalty" is generally a survival maneuver moreso than genuine morality or virtue or compassion (and Natasha rightfully said that this is an unpleasant observation, if true. But then you and emerald promptly swooped in and shot down the possibility that my suggestion could be true.)

You disagreed with me and brought up Jeff Bezos as a counterexample: e.g. "see, he genuinely loves his wife, even though he has options!"

There was then a mild back and forth over whether jeff actually has options or not. My stance is that yes, he can get hot sex whenever he wants, but these women generally don't actually love him for him. They're responding to his wealth status and clout. So of course he will commit to the rare woman that makes him feel understood and loved on a deeper level - because he DOESNT HAVE THAT ABUNDANCE. I don't see him loving his wife as a show of abundance at all. It is pure scarcity. He has no idea what it's like to be drowning in adoration on the merits of his personality. But emerald would rather be charitable. She, along with you, would rather see bezos as choosing genuine love out of abundance rather than making a survival scarcity play.

Anyway, ultimately that doesn't really matter because the facts are that he got married and he loves his wife. And this was your ultimate point by bringing up the saudi text leaks.

Except no, you can't do that. Because the saudi text leaks were sent to his new wife WHILE he was still officially married to his first wife. This is called INFIDELITY, and directly challenges that idea that he really ever had sexual loyalty to his first wife, which was exactly my original point.

You can't weasel out of this by saying "there's nothing unusual about him abandoning his first wife"

No, that's exactly my point! He found a better way to survive, so he hopped ship. If he had lauren's interest 20 years ago, would he have ever even considered mackenzie? And how do you know he won't find a lauren 2.0 who makes him feel more loved and understood (and is coincidentally even hotter and younger?)

This describes the majority of men who sign up for monogamy. Yes they can actually love their wives, but ultimately it is a scarcity-borne survival play.

"but rendheaven, my husband is different!"

yes, I know. I'm not talking about your husband. I'm talking about the majority of men who sign up for monogamy, including jeff bezos.

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@RendHeaven His new wife is several months older than his previous wife.


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@RendHeaven His new wife is several months older than his previous wife.

Yes but she's male-gaze optimized and more importantly he was having an affair with her during his marriage with his first wife.

My only point here is that he was never actually sexually loyal. Monogamy was a survival play because for 20 years he saw nothing better. But then one day he did, and his "loyalty" went out the window.

I don't doubt that he geuinely loved mackenzie, and now genuinely loves lauren


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5 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

My original point was that men with outrageous sexual options generally don't jump on monogamy because there is no survival incentive.

Conversely, men who do jump on monogamy tend to have limited options, and are seizing to lock down and hoard "the best they can get." No, not all people, but most people.

What I find is that most men go through a phase where they're interested in having lots of sex with lots of different women. This is usually up until age 25 or 30.

But eventually, most of them want the experience of a wife and children and all the benefits that monogamy has for men specifically.

In fact, (as a side note about the benefits of marriage for men) married men are statistically happier and healthier than single men... and even live longer and make more money in their career because of the social status that comes with having a wife. (not that that's why these men choose to marry, these are just side benefits)

But most men are interested in having children and a deep loving relationship. They just might not want that until they get the hook-ups and partying out of their system when they're young. The same can be said of women who might want to have a partying and hook-up phase before settling down... but usually to a lesser degree.

Like, because of my channel, I meet a fairly broad cross-section of people from all walks of life. And the men who value their romantic relationships a lot, do so because they love their specific partner.

And it's not like, "I settled for her because I couldn't get hotter/younger/etc."

Most men who propose marriage (specifically the ones who aren't pressured to because of being from a traditional family), are proposing marriage because they really want to be with that specific person. 


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12 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

Yes but she's male-gaze optimized and more importantly he was having an affair with her during his marriage with his first wife.

My only point here is that he was never actually sexually loyal. Monogamy was a survival play because for 20 years he saw nothing better. But then one day he did, and his "loyalty" went out the window.

I don't doubt that he geuinely loved mackenzie, and now genuinely loves lauren

Of course, infidelity isn't a good thing.

But people rarely have affairs on their partner of 20 years just because they found someone hotter who was willing to sleep with them and be in a relationship with them (if that were the case Bezos would have been having romantic affairs with very attractive women from the beginning, as he has no scarcity of attractive genuine romantic options because of his fame).

There's usually deeper seated emotional reasons why someone seeks out an extra-marital relationship to go beyond just the desire for a more attractive partner.

So, unless he is some serial cheater, I suspect that he didn't leave his previous wife just because his new wife is male-gaze optimized

He and his previous wife probably grew apart... and then he fell in love with his current wife because he felt intimacy with her.


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@Emerald 

1 hour ago, RendHeaven said:

So of course he will commit to the rare woman that makes him feel understood and loved on a deeper level - because he DOESNT HAVE THAT ABUNDANCE.

already acknowledged this

lauren isn't just hotter, she helps him feel more connected. shes better overall which is why he cheated.

I've said this several times now, but jeff's scarcity is not hotness, but hotness that actually loves him for him (from his POV)

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3 hours ago, Emerald said:

Let's low-ball it and say that 1% of young women would be open to dating a guy who is 35 years older than her. The number is probably closer to 5%, I'd wager. But a low estimate is 1%.

And several 10s of millions of people know who Jeff Bezos is (probably more)... with half of them being women. And then, 1/7 of those are young women. And then 1% of those young women would be genuinely interested in a guy of his age.

So, if 10 million women know that Jeff Bezos exists... then 14,285 women in their 20s would be genuinely interested in him... assuming that 1% of women would be open to dating a guy who's 35 years older.

Well you said super model, not just random 25 year olds.

The problem with these numbers is while they may be true in theory, there are practical issues that stand in the way.

How does he meet them? He’d have to be actively interacting with hundreds of 25 year old women to find that minority. The women who specifically seek him out would be more likely the gold diggers or clout chasers.

They may have potential to like him, but that has to actually be manifested in the interaction. Does he have the charisma and skills to make something happen? I’d speculate not, in interviews he comes across slightly feminine and due to the nature of his job he’s probably busy and a bit square.

Dating coaches I’ve seen have said in many ways their wealthier clients have it harder. Because they are stressed out from constantly working it makes them worse at socializing for fun. They usually have to hide their wealth to avoid gold diggers, of course the famous ones don’t have that option, it’s not easy to sort. If it was that easy for wealthy famous older guys to get younger women who genuinely love them I’d expect way more would do it. But they seem to usually end up with women closer to their age.

Bezos current wife had dated many celebrities before him. It’s clear she sought him out and knew how to seduce him. I doubt Bezos was doing some advanced filtering system and surrounded in 25 year olds who genuinely like him.

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Guys like Bezos usually have a wife. They're not the biggest playboys because they're too serious for that.

Being a playboy means you need to party a lot. Partying is how you get laid, not serious business meetings.


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5 minutes ago, RendHeaven said:

@Emerald 

already acknowledged this

lauren isn't just hotter, she helps him feel more connected. shes better overall which is why he cheated.

I've said this several times now, but jeff's scarcity is not hotness, but hotness that actually loves him for him

And my point is that Jeff Bezos isn't dealing with scarcity of attractive women that will love him back. As long as he has been a household name, he has had an abundance of attractive options... both fake and genuine.

While there are a bunch of gold-diggers, anyone who is well-known will always have an extreme abundance of attractive options that will love them back mixed in with a bunch of gold-diggers.

Jeff Bezos has like 1000 times more access to attractive partners that will love him back compared to the average non-famous guy because he is a household name and millions and millions of people know that he exists.

I guarantee that it isn't scarcity that's made him want to propose to his current wife. It's because he preferred this particular partner.... not because he lacked options with other women of equal or greater attractiveness who would also love him back.

If he wanted to, he could marry a 25-year old hottie that loves him back. He could find that, if that was his priority to look for it. The sky is the limit with his level of social reach.

This notion that men marry because of scarcity of options is just what you believe because you can't relate the idea that many men actually want to marry their specific partner... and aren't just settling out of a sense of scarcity of other attractive women who will love them back.

And that is probably reflective of you trying to understand why other men have the desire to marry when you don't have that desire yourself. So, you're trying to understand these men who marry by projecting your own perspective and desires onto them.


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