What is state according to Leo Gura?

[Rishabh R]

@Leo Gura But what about when one is suffering due to some sort of failure. Is it wise to accept suffering? which I recognized in my experience it lessens the power of negative emotions. And also it is distinct from reframing , however reframing is important as it motivates you to act.

Which way to go either acceptance of failure or reframing of failure ? Also , are episodes based on shadow work , hope coming in the near future ?

Edited May 7 by Rishabh R

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Rishabh R said:

Also , are episodes based on shadow work , hope coming in the near future ?

@Emerald makes fantastic episodes about that:

 

[Davino]

1 hour ago, AION said:

It is the third pillar of pillars of self esteem by Branden. 

I'm currently reading that book, it's good.

In my view, seriousness doesn't mean grumpiness, you can be seriously funny!😂

For me it's about the quality of intention, the clarity of decision and its constant execution.

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[Davino]

1 hour ago, AION said:

@Davino I watched that video already but I guess I will transcript it again and make some notes. 

Then why did you say Leo never defined states of consciousness? 

I'm puzzled now

[AION]

44 minutes ago, aurum said:

On a deeper level, it's even more profound than that.

Having a "physical" body itself is a state of consciousness.

Consciousness does not need a body or to be physical at all.

Body and mind is the same. So your body is your mind and when you relax your body you relax your mind too.

Even buddhist don't make the distinction between body and mind. So saying you are not your body is actually not true in my opinion.

Touch your arm right now. You are touching your mind.

One goes into the wrong if we identify with the body and get swayed by instincts and emotions of the body. One needs to respect the body otherwise sooner or later you will get health problems.

Especially when doing psychedelics and shit. You can say screw you body I'm not you. And then you body will turn around and screw you and you will have cripplign health problems for the rest of your life. The body is like a woman. You need to treat it the same way; and not abuse it, ignore it or misuse it.

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[AION]

9 minutes ago, Davino said:

Then why did you say Leo never defined states of consciousness? 

I'm puzzled now

It was a while back man. Stop busting my balls. I'm going to read Wilber again very soon. I like his integral approach on consciousness.

16 minutes ago, Davino said:

I'm currently reading that book, it's good.

In my view, seriousness doesn't mean grumpiness, you can be seriously funny!😂

For me it's about the quality of intention, the clarity of decision and its constant execution.

I was serious about life but in the wrong way. Depressive people are serious about life but they lack the backbone, character, personality, playfulness to play with problems and solve them

Problem solving requires playfulness, not seriousness. My best games in chess are when I'm not serious but playful ..

Edited May 7 by AION

[Emerald]

31 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Emerald makes fantastic episodes about that:

 

Thank you for recommending my videos!

[aurum]

12 minutes ago, AION said:

Body and mind is the same. So your body is your mind and when you relax your body you relax your mind too.

Even buddhist don't make the distinction between body and mind. So saying you are not your body is actually not true in my opinion.

Touch your arm right now. You are touching your mind.

The body is mind because everything is consciousness.

But consciousness is more fundamental than having a body. So there is a difference.

12 minutes ago, AION said:

One goes into the wrong if we identify with the body and get swayed by instincts and emotions of the body. One needs to respect the body otherwise sooner or later you will get health problems.

Especially when doing psychedelics and shit. You can say screw you body I'm not you. And then you body will turn around and screw you and you will have cripplign health problems for the rest of your life. The body is like a woman. You need to treat it the same way; and not abuse it, ignore it or misuse it.

Yes, respecting the body is important.

[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat that state is right behind your eyes right now. The 0 on the knob of conciousness is in a permanent 0 state even when you are awake and it always exists.

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[Sugarcoat]

2 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Sugarcoat that state is right behind your eyes right now. The 0 on the knob of conciousness is in a permanent 0 state even when you are awake and it always exists.

I am behind my eyes 

[AION]

So how does frame compare to state then?

[Hojo]

@AION one is a picture the other is how you are reacting to it. One could look at the frame and experience any range of conciousness state to the frame. You are always looking at a frame and your conciousness is reacting to the frame. The frame is dead but its still in conciousness. There is something giving life to the frame outside of the frame.

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[Hojo]

@Sugarcoat  you are in the middle 

[aurum]

Frame is a term pulled from psychology. It usually refers to the overall assumptions and perspective one is working from.

Are cheeseburgers good or bad? You could frame the answer in many different ways.

Don't forget though, these terms are somewhat arbitrary and could be changed if you really wanted. You could say state = having a dog. We are just defining them in a particular way here for the purpose of communication. There is not an objective meaning to any word.

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[Hojo]

@aurum reality has a frame rate literal picture frames like an animation.

[AION]

This is how I see it

State = condition of your body/mind (which are the same anyway)

 

Frame = how you position your body/mind 

 

Body is feminine and mind is masculine and together they form a union aka sacred marriage. That is why it is important to take both of your body and mind. If you don’t take care of your body you will have a bad marriage and vis-à-vis. 
 

And the bad news. You can’t divorce your wife. 

Edited May 7 by AION

[Yimpa]

18 minutes ago, AION said:

You can’t divorce your wife. 

I am my Wife!

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[Leo Gura]

Frame is a way of looking at something in your mind.

State is the actual physical being of this present moment. What humans call the physical world is actually a state.

You entire visual field is a state of consciousness. If you drink a bottle of vodka the state of your visual field will change.

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[aurum]

22 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@aurum reality has a frame rate literal picture frames like an animation.

That's too simplistic of a human idea.

Reality should not be described by anything mechanical like frame rates.

[Hojo]

@aurum Its an infinity simulation that contains frame rates