How To Develop World Class Epistemology?

[Daniel Balan]

How? I feel overwhelmed when it comes how to distinguish truth over falsehood. Currently I use only vibes and how trustworthy and pure I perceive the information source! I struggle massively to come up with independent thoughts! And even when I get an independent insight I still think that that insight is corrupted by personal biases or prior thoughts that I garnered from someone else!

[Salvijus]

The only way you can resonate with bs positions is if on some level there is bs in you. Make yourself pure as a spotless white and you'll discern bs from a mile away. But that's almost unachievable for most people. Best you can do is continuesly be rising your conciousness so that even if you're in bs position, someday you'll have enough awareness to see through it and get out of it. 

Edited Saturday at 10:55 AM by Salvijus

[Davino]

You'll have to sacrifice to achieve world-class Espitemology, or any endevour. You'll have to ask in forums, read books, watch videos, independently contemplate, trip, do everything that is in your hand. So instead of giving you little advice I invite you to consider and decide what is your level of implication on Truth. If you wanna be world-class, it really takes time. It's like learning a new language, you need to ground your expectatives, it'll take long and it's rewarding.

 

[UpperMaster]

47 minutes ago, Davino said:

You'll have to sacrifice to achieve world-class Espitemology, or any endevour. You'll have to ask in forums, read books, watch videos, independently contemplate, trip, do everything that is in your hand. So instead of giving you little advice I invite you to consider and decide what is your level of implication on Truth. If you wanna be world-class, it really takes time. It's like learning a new language, you need to ground your expectatives, it'll take long and it's rewarding.

 

 

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[Daniel Balan]

I believe that in order to achieve world class epistemology all the answers to succeeding in my quest can only be arrived at through contemplation and independent thinking and independent enquiry!

[Salvijus]

With indipendant research you'd still be pondering if the earth is flat or no. So it won't take you very far. 

Edited Saturday at 12:21 PM by Salvijus

[Daniel Balan]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

With indipendant research you'd still be pondering if the earth is flat or no. So it won't take you very far. 

Yes exactly! Recently I became extremely curious on the validity of the things we take for granted because truth is not a social consensus!

[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

Yes exactly! Recently I became extremely curious on the validity of the things we take for granted because truth is not a social consensus!

There's no other option but to take things on faith sometimes. If a person was 100% rational only, he'd be paralyzed not knowing, if the next time he blinks, will the universe explode. It's simply impossible to function without faith. 

Edited Saturday at 04:25 PM by Salvijus

[Cireeric]

This is a nice introduction to epistemology from the grandmaster of sensemaking Daniel Schmachtenberger:

 

[Daniel Balan]

There is one thing I know for sure! That I don't know anything! Epistemology has only one friend and one enemy! The friend is not knowing and the foe is certainty and 100% ferm conviction that you know! 

Edited Saturday at 12:59 PM by Daniel Balan

[Leo Gura]

Contemplation.

That's it.

[Sandhu]

Everything not aligned with truth is self-deception. God is truth. Seeking truth is the best path to reach God-realization. Because god is the ultimate truth.

And this is your best argument against dogma and ideology. 

Edited Saturday at 02:24 PM by Sandhu

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Daniel Balan said:

 The friend is not knowing and the foe is certainty and 100% ferm conviction that you know! 

That's a good general principle for relative truths. Although, if you care about epistemology to reach Truth but then you don't have certainty, what is the use? 

Why do you care about Epistemology ? Is to understand the relative world (science, politics, art)? Or to understand the Absolute?

Relative truths have a unique epistemology to them. Absolute Truth has a special epistemology.

[Daniel Balan]

23 minutes ago, Davino said:

That's a good general principle for relative truths. Although, if you care about epistemology to reach Truth but then you don't have certainty, what is the use? 

Why do you care about Epistemology ? Is to understand the relative world (science, politics, art)? Or to understand the Absolute?

Relative truths have a unique epistemology to them. Absolute Truth has a special epistemology.

I only care of relative truths! To be honest I never understood what you guys mean when you say absolute truth! To me all this absolute thing drives me mad! I never cared about God because even if knew God I wouldn't gain nothing! To know God is as useless as knowing how many sand particless are in a hourglass! God seems such a lame topic! I enjoy existence and I have deep curiosity for God's dream! But I have no interest in finding out who created this dream! To me God is about having bodily awareness! And I don't know why I would need to go any deeper than that! 

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

There is one thing I know for sure! That I don't know anything! Epistemology has only one friend and one enemy! The friend is not knowing and the foe is certainty and 100% ferm conviction that you know! 

You also know that you're concious with 100% certainty.

 

[The Crocodile]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Contemplation.

That's it.

But contemplate how do you know that contemplation is it?

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Daniel Balan said:

I only care of relative truths!

Okay, then I recommend you the works of Daniel Schmachtenberg 

 

Leo has also great videos. I love this one on epistemology:

 

Ken Wilber also makes interesting contributions to the field. Check this video for more:

 

 

[Hojo]

In order to develop it you need to be wrong so stop trying to be right and say what you want the thing you think is wrong.

Edited Saturday at 07:35 PM by Hojo

[UnbornTao]

@Daniel Balan You want to run around the house without meeting the host.

We don't know what relative/absolute is, so staying open is necessary. 

[Daniel Balan]

@UnbornTao We are free to run around the house either way! Knowing the host doesn't grant you any privileges, I mean at least if I could access some hidden rooms within the house but no, your reward is the fact that you become aware that you were the host of the house all along! Which is silly! Like searching for your car keys when you are already driving that very car!