Good ol' Rupert Spira goes hard

[koops]

Listen at 26:05

Is saying 'I am God' a blasphemy?

I thought he was going to go on the 'safe' rout, and the, he hits it.

 

[Yimpa]

He just did so... 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Nemra]

I guess he is coming out of the closet. 😁

[Princess Arabia]

I've seen this. Can't tell the narcissists and arrogant beings that they are not a person. They'll tell you how much they are in control and making choices and how humans are the most high and they are soooo doing everything in the life they never asked to be a part of. There is them and there is.....whoever they worship. I'm not saying anybody is God, but I'm saying there's no individual beings in charge of anything. It's so obvious, it's overlooked.

[Breakingthewall]

14 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

I'm saying there's no individual beings in charge of anything. It's so obvious, it's overlooked.

You have an area of decision and action, right? Why do you say there's no such thing as individuality? If, for example, I decide to stay home now or instead go out, they're two different possibilities. Where is the absence of self?

[Jodistrict]

 

“I am god” is the last message that a shallow materialistic culture needs to hear.

[Princess Arabia]

30 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You have an area of decision and action, right? Why do you say there's no such thing as individuality? If, for example, I decide to stay home now or instead go out, they're two different possibilities. Where is the absence of self?

Ok, use this example instead, if you decide to sneeze or yawn which one will you choose. We can't pick and choose choices and decision-making and only choose some things and not others. It's either we choose everything or we choose nothing. Did you make the choice to: having the need to pee, feel horny, feeling hungry, scratch that spontaneous itch, did a sudden reflex when the car was seconds from hitting that man, instantly remove your hand in 000.002 of a second from that hot scorching pot and where it takes time to even process the hot pot then time to remove the hand, all this done before you could blink. Where is the choice-making in any of these scenarios. 

Like I said, can't pick and choose when you have choices and when you don't. Going out or staying home just happens without a person doing it just as that quick reflex just happens without a person's decision. Things are appearing and disappearing, happening or not, all on it's own already and without a need to have a person behind the wheel. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Going out or staying home just happens without a person doing it

I don't understand that. There are things, like breathing, that you don't choose, but there are others that you do. You say it seems like you choose them, but they were predetermined. How do you know that?

[koops]

29 minutes ago, Jodistrict said:

 

“I am god” is the last message that a shallow materialistic culture needs to hear.

Of course people will misinterpret it.

In fact, thats a huge critic people make to Leo. They think he is saying that he, Leo, the body-mind is God.

 

[Princess Arabia]

32 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't understand that. There are things, like breathing, that you don't choose, but there are others that you do. You say it seems like you choose them, but they were predetermined. How do you know that?

Of course it seems I'm choosing everything but when I use my understanding capabilities and take my narcissistic ego out the way and the neurotic responses I have towards the world and others and when I put two and two together, there's something there that sees I'm not the doer, thinker and chooser. You're saying you choose somethings and some you don't. If that's not arrogant and narcissistic I don't know what is. Not insulting you personally, as I've called the ego over here that also but I'm saying, and as Rupert also mentioned, it's arrogant to think you're a person making choices in this big ole complex Universe. You don't even know how a strand of hair is grown on your head but you think you're in charge of you. 

I never said the word predetermined. Nothing is predetermined because that suggests time. There's no time for the Universe or whatever to predetermine an outcome. The body moves on it's own, it does what it wants without a person being there to decide for it. Going out or not going out is what happened. Burning your hand on a hot stove happened. I don't understand how you can make choices sometimes and not make them all the time. Who or what is making the choices that you're not. The Universe, God, Satan, who? 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

. I don't understand how you can make choices sometimes and not make them all the time. Who or what is making the choices that you're not. The Universe, God, Satan, who? 

Let's see, in my field of perception, two bananas appear. I choose the one on the right. Where's the mystery? I am a structure of reality that interacts with other external structures and makes decisions. There are infinite dualities taking place, and they all have a direction, a movement. Deciding on the banana on the right is my movement.

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Let's see, in my field of perception, two bananas appear. I choose the one on the right. Where's the mystery? I am a structure of reality that interacts with other external structures and makes decisions. There are infinite dualities taking place, and they all have a direction, a movement. Deciding on the banana on the right is my movement.

Ok. How do you know it was the personal self that made that choice. How are you so sure you're not some sophisticated robot that can believe things, feel things, move things, decide things, choose things but you're not really, only seems that way. I'm not saying you're a puppet but maybe, just maybe, that choice to choose a banana over the other was energetic and the choice energy made that choice using your hands. Maybe the energy over here and the one over there is the same energy interracting with itself and the mystery is in how it's done.

Edited 23 hours ago by Princess Arabia

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, koops said:

They think he is saying that he, Leo, the body-mind is God.

That is what I'm saying.

Leo is God.

[Sincerity]

He might have „stolen” it from Rumi. Idk, I was just immediately hit with the thought that I read an identical explanation before. 

Quote

Take the famous utterance, "I am God." Some people think this is a great pretension, but "I am God" is in fact a great humility. Those who say, instead, "I am a servant of God" believe that two exist, themselves and God. But those who say, "I am God" have become nothing and have cast themselves to the winds. They say, "I am God" meaning, "I am not, God is all. There is no existence but God. I have lost all separation. I am nothing." In this the humility is greater.

But if he came up with it himself, good for him.

It’s an amazing understanding for sure. I think of it and I smile.

Edited 22 hours ago by Sincerity

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Ok. How do you know it was the personal self that made that choice. How are you so sure you're not some sophisticated robot that can believe things, feel things, move things, decide things, choose things but you're not really, only seems that way. I'm not saying you're a puppet but maybe, just maybe, that choice to choose a banana over the other was energetic and the choice energy made that choice using your hands. Maybe the energy over here and the one over there is the same energy interracting with itself and the mystery is in how it's done.

If that energy made the choice using my hands, ultimately I'm that energy, so I made the choice 

You could say that there really is no choice but a manifestation of a possible relational mathematical possibility in this particular framework that is synchronously interconnected with the totality of the possible, but then, I would be the possible mathematical possibility, therefore I would have made the choice by the fact of the inevitable development of the potentiality 

Edited 22 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Princess Arabia]

24 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

If that energy made the choice using my hands, ultimately I'm that energy, so I made the choice 

You could say that there really is no choice but a manifestation of a possible relational mathematical possibility in this particular framework that is synchronously interconnected with the totality of the possible, but then, I would be the possible mathematical possibility, therefore I would have made the choice by the fact of the inevitable development of the potentiality 

Lol. I sucked at Math so I read that in Spanish. 

"I'm that energy"....there's no I. It's simply just energy. 

[koops]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

That is what I'm saying.

Leo is God.

Thats tricky.

Explain that to an average guy.

You understand Oneness. He doesn't.

He believes you are saying only you are God, and he is not.

He believes you are placing yourself higher from a place of arrogance.

 

[koops]

55 minutes ago, Sincerity said:

Take the famous utterance, "I am God." Some people think this is a great pretension, but "I am God" is in fact a great humility.

Those who say, instead, "I am a servant of God" believe that two exist, themselves and God.

But those who say, "I am God" have become nothing and have cast themselves to the winds.

They say, "I am God" meaning, "I am not, God is all. There is no existence but God. I have lost all separation. I am nothing." In this the humility is greater.

Beautiful.

 

[AJBrew]

3 minutes ago, koops said:

Thats tricky.

Explain that to an average guy.

You understand Oneness. He doesn't.

He believes you are saying only you are God, and he is not.

He believes you are placing yourself higher from a place of arrogance.

 

It think he's trying to mess with you

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, koops said:

He believes you are saying only you are God, and he is not.

He believes you are placing yourself higher from a place of arrogance.

Not my concern.