Karma and Reincarnation – Control Tactics or Real Mechanics?

[Yeah Yeah]

I'm going to throw my line out to see what answers I fish out - my research is not clicking so maybe some responses can clear my state of enquiry:

I'm calling bullshit on fear-based spirituality.

So many teachings say that if you die with identity, ego, or “low vibrations,” you’ll spin into dream loops, reincarnate into lower realms, or carry karmic residue into the next illusion.

But isn’t that just spiritual control?
Another version of “be good or else,” just wrapped in mysticism?

What if:

Karma is just energetic momentum, not some cosmic judgment?

Reincarnation is just the mind projecting continuity onto Nothingness?

And low-vibe residue is just a story to keep the dream spinning?

I’ve seen teachings that claim “as long as identity remains, the dream continues”—but that sounds like a trap.
Like there’s no true exit unless you reach some perfection first.

Is that actually true? Or is that more spiritual gaslighting?

Anyone who's broken through—touched the white light, tasted silence, or stood on the edge of Nothing—did you really see karma holding you down? Or did you drop all of it?

I’m here to challenge the spiritual narrative.
If reincarnation and karma still exist after awakening, then is there ever real freedom?

What’s your rawest insight?

[Hojo]

I think its cause the human body was made an reacts specifically to specific things. Its more like dont do that your body will react negatively and make you have karma. If you have full mastery you can do whatever you want but we don't. If you sexually assaulted someone and then saw them the next day your body has a physical reaction that you cannot stop unless you have mastery or are totally dis attached. Its not be a good boy or else because of punishment its be a good boy or else your body will punish you because of karma.

The goal of spirituality is to annihilate this part of you that intervenes and fluctuates your emotions. They say don't do these things because they will fluctuate your emotions and you will intervene therefore stopping the will of God.

Edited April 17 by Hojo

[cetus]

1 hour ago, Yeah Yeah said:

So many teachings say that if you die with identity, ego, or “low vibrations,” you’ll spin into dream loops

 

1 hour ago, Yeah Yeah said:

But isn’t that just spiritual control?

You are your karma= It's all you.

Edited April 17 by cetus

[Sugarcoat]

A thought I have had: if reincarnation stops after enlightenment, then in all of eternity, enlightenment must have already happened since the probability of it is less than zero, so the cycle of reincarnation would have stopped already, but since we are here, it must means reincarnation doesn’t stop after enlightenment, because then we would not be here. Also maybe reincarnation isn’t true, but rather we “spawn” randomly, so this life has nothing to do with the previous life, there’s nothing that “transitions”, no residue from the previous life.

I personally believe there’s something to the idea of reincarnation and “the souls evolution” because for example there are people with seeming memory of a past life. And maybe reincarnation stops after enlightenment but it’s just a temporary end. Sooner or later we spawn(incarnate) again, and how long that takes doesn’t matter because in eternity a million years is like nothing. But sooner or later we will incarnate no matter what, enlightenment or not, because maybe two lives don’t have to be related, so we will incarnate because the probability of life appearing is more than zero, so in eternity it will always happen again, so I believe. So I think reincarnation can be true, but it’s still relative, it’s one of many dreams that infinity can dream.

[integral]

I had a hilarious call with my girlfriend yesterday. Where she was blaming me for something and then she said the reason you were like that is because probably your karma before you were born is the problem.

And I thought it was hilarious that she was blaming me for something I did before I was born. 🤣

Specifically that she was judging me, accusing me and shaming me of whatever bad thing I apparently did before I was even bored in a different life.

You just can't win with these people LMFAO

Edited April 18 by integral

[Ishanga]

@Yeah Yeah Karma is just a label or descriptive word, used to describe the "Real" mechanics, if there was no Karma there would be no Existence, no basis upon which Cause or Creation can happen, everything that we mostly know to be reality would not be possible without Karma in place, no Universe, no Earth, no You and Your Life as You normally know it...

So Karma is just Memory that has an effect on Your present moment, as a Human You have a choice as to how to Respond to this effect, You can Accept it (then Ease or Peace is Your Experience) or reject it, don't accept it (then Unease, disease, stress if Your Experience), that is the basic choice, then from either of these Experiences consequences will result, so we have Cause and Effect in play always once one is here and Embodied and living in a place where Duality and Consciousness and Choice exists!

[Applegarden8]

There are different narrations of Karma, which one will you believe or disregard? The one you like the most? What makes it true then, also?

Edited April 23 by Applegarden8

[CoolDreamThanks]

Love this question, been thinking about this today as well.

Perhaps there is no karma, just images reflecting back to you who you are as a conceptual self?

And when you transcend your conceptual identity, which includes your life story, who you believe you are, your fantasies for the future, your resentments of the past, and so forth, then the images that were projected by the conceptual mind fade away into the nothingness from which they came, and you don't have to see them anymore or "reincarnate."