My son had cannabis induced psychosis

[Twentyfirst]

I think people are starting to confuse old school weed with this new lab gmo weed or even street laced weed. Good weed is almost harmless. It's the gateway drug for a reason everything after is what is more harmless 

[BlessedLion]

On 4/18/2025 at 10:25 AM, Jodistrict said:

That’s why you treat these substances responsibly as sacred medicines.  Tobacco is a sacred plant to the indigenous.  But it can be used to heal you or give you cancer.  If something is powerful, it goes both ways.   This is why I don’t see it as a positive development that psychedelics are becoming mainstream in a shallow consumerist culture hooked on entertainment.

I think the whole “sacred medicine” thing is not much more than a label for people to feel better about just getting high. And it doesn’t ensure it’s safe at all. I’ve sat in many ayahuasca and peyote ceremonies with trained Shipibo and Mexican Shamans from the desert. Plenty of people had horrific, traumatizing, and psychotic trips. 
 

Yet everyone just says shit like “that’s what the medicine wanted to show you” “there are no bad trips” as if the psychedelics are these wise entities who never fuck up. Super stage green and even partially purple imo. 
 

Also tons of shamans die from cancer from their tobacco abuse. What an absurd notion that just because they call it medicine it won’t fuck up their lungs. 
 

So glad I graduated this from this whole ideology a while ago 

[Basman]

Maybe I'm just shit at smoking but I never get really high from weed those rare times I'm offered a joint except the first time I smoked it. Perhaps I'm just built sober because I've had next to no drugs growing up or dependencies and cravings as an adult, even coffee. I'm very glad that I grew up sober.

There's probably a strong genetic correlation relative to how you respond to weed. A lot of people seem to smoke once in a while and are fine just as there are a bunch of people that drink without abusing it. There seems to be a correlation with a lack of ambition and smoking weed but it could be that people who aren't ambitious tend to gravitate towards it (as ambition itself might be genetic to a certain extent).

Edited April 23 by Basman

[Jodistrict]

On 4/22/2025 at 7:41 PM, BlessedLion said:

I think the whole “sacred medicine” thing is not much more than a label for people to feel better about just getting high. And it doesn’t ensure it’s safe at all. I’ve sat in many ayahuasca and peyote ceremonies with trained Shipibo and Mexican Shamans from the desert. Plenty of people had horrific, traumatizing, and psychotic trips. 
 

Yet everyone just says shit like “that’s what the medicine wanted to show you” “there are no bad trips” as if the psychedelics are these wise entities who never fuck up. Super stage green and even partially purple imo. 
 

Also tons of shamans die from cancer from their tobacco abuse. What an absurd notion that just because they call it medicine it won’t fuck up their lungs. 
 

So glad I graduated this from this whole ideology a while ago 

Shamanism, like all psychedelics, has been corrupted by money.  That’s why you get this crap like “there are no bad trips” or “what happened to me under Ayahausca was like 10 years of therapy”.  It's marketing crap of a capitalist culture.  Also, looking for something “safe” is an obsession of modern materialism.  The shaman I went to in Peru was willing to take you to the edge of death.

[Carl-Richard]

On 17.4.2025 at 10:53 AM, integral said:

Marijuana changes the structure of your brain the first time you use it permanently

I severely doubt there is any data on that. But hey, doing anything changes the structure of your brain. It's just a question of how much.

As for the topic, I'll tell you as someone who has studied drugs on my own obsessively for a few years and also studied some of it in university and related psychological phenomena: there is nothing that makes me want to pull my hair out more than people mouthing the phrase "weed is only psychologically addictive" or "it's not a drug, it's natural". There is a culture of ultra delusional and factually incorrect coping that is forming around weed and which has existed around for example alcohol, and it will keep people addicted, dumb and stuck in their ways until legislation or a cultural revolution counters it. But that's not endemic to drugs, it's of course just a microcosm of being a human.

[integral]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

I severely doubt there is any data on that. But hey, doing anything changes the structure of your brain. It's just a question of how much.

As for the topic, I'll tell you as someone who has studied drugs on my own obsessively for a few years and also studied some of it in university and related psychological phenomena: there is nothing that makes me want to pull my hair out more than people mouthing the phrase "weed is only psychologically addictive" or "it's not a drug, it's natural". There is a culture of ultra delusional and factually incorrect coping that is forming around weed and which has existed around for example alcohol, and it will keep people addicted, dumb and stuck in their ways until legislation or a cultural revolution counters it. But that's not endemic to drugs, it's of course just a microcosm of being a human.

lmao the best one is

"it can't kill you no matter how much you smoke, so don't worry about it"

In general our culture believes everything is in your head and if you have any problems on some drug it was just all in your head, you just didn't know how to relax.

When really people have completely different biologizes and weed causes problems for half of people outside of their control.

In general I've been gasolite to the End of Time by everyone on every discussion about weed.

Because if it works for them and they get the the standard effect of "relaxation" it validates everything culture has told them that they never questioned.

People only question their beliefs when it comes in conflict with there survival.

You could believe the Earth is flat and it has no impact on your survival.

Edited June 9 by integral

[eggopm3]

Some people are much more prone to the psychedelic effects of weed than others. I think many (not necessarily all, I'm sure there's a wide range) cases of "weed psychosis" can often be people who are in this category. But since they aren't otherwise prepared for such intense mental effects they go into a psychosis state. similar to how someone who does a big dose of a classical psychedelic without any prior experience or preparedness can lose their shit, but if you're experienced and know what to expect then you're usually fine. I havent consumed weed in many months now (I miss it, and will likely try it again at some point but i definitely needed a long break), but I was definitely someone who could get a psychedelic experience from weed that was often more intense than lsd or mushrooms in many ways. I enjoyed that aspect of it so it was an asset and not a drawback for me most of the time, but I could see someone who isnt ready for those effects or is on the edge of some other mental health issues being put into a rough position. Especially if they're just expecting it to be a drug that chills them out, and then get surprised by being thrown into an entirely different can of worms.

[carterfelder]

Like other psychedelics, cannabis shows you more of yourself. If you aren't ready to see and feel more of yourself (your past, your worries about the future), you will try to distract yourself or redirect the narrative cannabis projects within you.

[Carl-Richard]

On 23.4.2025 at 4:11 PM, Basman said:

Maybe I'm just shit at smoking but I never get really high from weed those rare times I'm offered a joint except the first time I smoked it. Perhaps I'm just built sober because I've had next to no drugs growing up or dependencies and cravings as an adult, even coffee. I'm very glad that I grew up sober.

There's probably a strong genetic correlation relative to how you respond to weed. A lot of people seem to smoke once in a while and are fine just as there are a bunch of people that drink without abusing it. There seems to be a correlation with a lack of ambition and smoking weed but it could be that people who aren't ambitious tend to gravitate towards it (as ambition itself might be genetic to a certain extent).

People who don't smoke and get offered a joint are notoriously bad at getting high. It's mainly a mechanical skill problem of inhaling it. That's why I didn't think I got high the first time I tried it. There is also pharmacological sensitization that occurs after repeated use (your body becomes more efficient at responding to it), but I don't think matters a lot if you just inhale enough.

I've gone from smoking weed multiple times a day without getting any "effect" from it (but I was of course perpetually high but adapted to it), and then I've also gone straight into ego death from it. It depends very much on your life situation, psychological and physical health, regularity of use, other psychedelic use, meditation ability, etc.

Edited June 20 by Carl-Richard

[Scholar]

On 17/04/2025 at 10:53 AM, integral said:

This video goes through a father who saw their child, enter a psychosis through marijuana

It breaks the narrative of progressive liberal culture. That marijuana is perfectly safe, relaxing hippie thing and there’s nothing wrong with it

My personal experience with marijuana is that at 21 I smoked it once and was in psychosis for many years permanently (until I solved it)

When I smoke marijuana because of my genetics, I get intense hallucinations, and thousands of voices in my head. It’s psychedelic. It’s like every part of my brain is talking at the same time. Creating incoherence.

One of my marijuana trips I accessed all of the first memories I’ve ever had where I unlocked perfect recall of every possible memory

One of my first memories was recognizing what a door was. When I was a baby. I learned the concept of how two rooms are separate through a door. And this was at the time a profound realization that I had as a child and I remember the feeling I had when I discovered this concept I was very excited and even freaked out by this idea.So I was able to access even the emotional experiences of all my memories.

The pro-liberal progressive culture on marijuana is strongly misplaced, and doctors are not equipped to deal with it or have any knowledge of it. They are very much conformist. The father explains his struggle with the healthcare industry.

Marijuana changes the structure of your brain the first time you use it permanently, it doesn’t matter if it was a good or bad experience or if you had any side effects afterwards, you will never be the same after smoking it. You also have cabinoid receptors throughout all of your gut and body, so marijuana affects every organ in your body

This is not a toy, it’s a very serious substance. And our cultures laxness on this has lead to a lot of issues where people are not receiving the treatment they need or the knowledge or awareness they need. Our culture is ignorant, not a surprise.

We are still living in the dark cages

This has nothing to do with "pro-liberal progressive culture", but is the natural process of liberalization and maturing of society.

Every new liberty given to people will come with it's novel problems and challenges, that society generally cannot predict. The solution is simply awareness, education and support systems.

 

One of the reason why the liberal reaction is so vehement is because the risks have been exaggerated by the other side, which tends to cause a reaction into the opposite extreme.

 

Immaturity would be to fall back into pre-liberal attitudes and demonize these substances and their users, rather than having a rational approach to mitigating risks and harms.

[integral]

21 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This has nothing to do with "pro-liberal progressive culture", but is the natural process of liberalization and maturing of society.

Every new liberty given to people will come with it's novel problems and challenges, that society generally cannot predict. The solution is simply awareness, education and support systems.

 

One of the reason why the liberal reaction is so vehement is because the risks have been exaggerated by the other side, which tends to cause a reaction into the opposite extreme.

 

Immaturity would be to fall back into pre-liberal attitudes and demonize these substances and their users, rather than having a rational approach to mitigating risks and harms.

What you describe this precisely the liberal mindset

Much of what you said is biased towards simply liberating everything and giving as much Freedom as possible to people and that is always the greater good

And it's not how things play out in the real world

The war on drugs needs to continue to happen because there is no solution and decriminalizing isn't the solution

Its like sayng: we should legalize Fentanyl and start making a profit off of it but we should also increase education so everyone is "aware" of everything

The problem with the liberal mindset is that it has naïve Solutions that aren't any better than what came before

It's all the fantasy and the illusion of progress built into the liberal mindset.

Legalization of marijuana, All that was accomplished is that a handful of people can now make a lot of more money and people have far easier access to all of these drugs

Edited June 20 by integral

[Scholar]

32 minutes ago, integral said:

What you describe this precisely the liberal mindset

Much of what you said is biased towards simply liberating everything and giving as much Freedom as possible to people and that is always the greater good

And it's not how things play out in the real world

The war on drugs needs to continue to happen because there is no solution and decriminalizing isn't the solution

Its like sayng: we should legalize Fentanyl and start making a profit off of it but we should also increase education so everyone is "aware" of everything

The problem with the liberal mindset is that it has naïve Solutions that aren't any better than what came before

It's all the fantasy and the illusion of progress built into the liberal mindset.

Legalization of marijuana, All that was accomplished is that a handful of people can now make a lot of more money and people have far easier access to all of these drugs

No, the liberal mindset is to not imprison individuals for being drug addicts. What you engage in is thought terminating.

You realize Portugal does not criminalize drugs this way at all, yet they are not dealing with these problems. Neither do the Netherlands. What exactly do you think is the difference between them and US/Canadian culture? You think US/Canadian culture is more liberal than progressie european states?

 

There is no problem with the liberal mindset, there is only a problem with short sighted stupidity and fearmongering. Don't blame low IQ, lead-brained american nonsense on liberalism or progressivism.

 

What was achieved is that individuals who might already be marginalized are not being imprisoned in an unjustifiable way any longer. If you want to deal with the excess of drug usage, why do you appeal to outdated conservative notions rather than looking at societies that actually resolved these issues without having to deal with the negative externalities of depriving individuals of basic liberties?

 

You have been captured by a cultural backlash that is more interested in "owning the libs" than it is in finding solutions for any problem.

Edited June 20 by Scholar

[integral]

@Scholar But the alternative is not conservatism. I think you confused what I said, decriminalization allows the sales and distribution marijuana at scale which is what I'm criticizing. This should still be illegal.

Incarcerating people for possession should be => decriminalized.

Distributors should still be prosecuted in this system.

I was criticizing liberals for having naïve Solutions, not that the solution is then to be conservative.

The War on Drugs is wrong because it's done by conservative fools slamming a hammer not that the entire point of restriction is wrong.

It is necessary to keep these drugs restricted.

Allowing companies to mass sell these drugs IS NOT THE SOLUTION...

Its liberal nonsense.

Edited June 20 by integral

[Scholar]

Just now, integral said:

@Scholar But the alternative is not conservatism. I think you confused what I said, decriminalization allows the sales and distribution marijuana at scale which is what I'm criticizing. This should still be illegal.

Incarcerating people for possession should be => decriminalized.

Distributors should still be prosecuted in this system.

I was criticizing liberals for having naïve Solutions, not that the solution is then to be conservative.

The War on Drugs is wrong because it's done by conservative fools where it could be done at a much higher more intelligent way.

I don't think it needs to be illegal, regulation is probably more than sufficient. Again, we have examples of marijuana being legal in other countries which don't deal with the same problems. Regulate the amount of THC that is allowed per plant, make advertising illegal or highly regulated, force educational warnings upon the selling of marijuana. Offer support systems for drug addicts, etc etc

There are many things you can do to mitigate most harms without creating negative feedback loops that encourage organized crime, unregulated substances (no control over THC content, heavy metals etc) and basically have people engage in these things in the most unhealthy way possible.

[integral]

@Scholar Were to draw the line is subjective and relative to the population and government structure.

• Do we legalize Fentanyl and allow Mass distribution in sales?
• Should we ban guns? If we look at countries that have its looks like a great idea?
• Should we ban the sales of cigarettes, which will likely drastically reduce consumption and addiction rates?

I'm sure you would think that legalizing fentanyl sales is probably a bad idea but subjectively you feel marijuana sales should be legalized? Why?

 

I think it heavily depends on the population that these laws are introduced in. The Netherlands has a different culture and education caliber. Citizens are more liberal in general and their government structure is nearly green. 

While Portugal has had a steady increase in consumption of these drugs since they became legalized. If your goal is reduced consumption legalization doesn't work.

If you go to a third world country and legalize all drugs what do we get? it's a disaster

Canada consistently sees increases in consumption of these drugs after they became legalized, and there's no education happening to help anyone.

In reality every $$$ has to be spend giving people very high quality free education, but that's not profitable... so instead we decriminalize weed, its an illusion of progress.

Edited June 20 by integral

[Carl-Richard]

On 9.6.2025 at 3:20 AM, integral said:

In general our culture believes everything is in your head and if you have any problems on some drug it was just all in your head, you just didn't know how to relax.

It's actually ridiculous how prevalent "it's all in your head" is as a heuristic for people. Even my mother who is a doctor, when I say I feel different after taking a multivitamin (and many other things), she has this knee-jerk response of "yeah, the placebo effect is real". And I'll have to say like "ok, if you're deficient in vitamin D, will you not feel that?".

Also, even if something is "all in your head", it doesn't actually matter. If something has an effect you can notice, then that is incredible and should be celebrated. Secondly, literally everything is "in your head"; the placebo effect is constant. Even if you take a drug like heroin, you don't know how much of it is in your head and how much of it is "real".

Certainly with drugs or vitamins, the correct assumption is that it has a real effect and a placebo effect, but you just don't know how much of which. Besides, SSRIs are only 2% better than placebo, so so much for "real" effects.

So "it's placebo" is not really a good reason for doing anything, maybe unless you're a cancer patient who needs brain surgery and not apple juice.

Edited June 21 by Carl-Richard

[integral]

@Carl-Richard 100% agree

19 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Even my mother who is a doctor, when I say I feel different after taking a multivitamin (and many other things), she has this knee-jerk response of "yeah, the placebo effect is real". And I'll have to say like "ok, if you're deficient in vitamin D, will you not feel that?".

What's your describing takes a second layer of self-awareness that people don't unlock yet unless they experience a health problem.

Knowing how something you ingest affects you is a epistemic tool people don't unlock and they will only see what they were told they will see. If a doctor is told coffee causes stimulation, they will notice it, if not, they wont. 

They also don't think your experience was useful Epistemology, because they haven't unlocked the experimentation mindset or see the plethora of problems that come from monolithic epistemology.

This extends through all of science, it is the biggest epistemic blind spot and corrupts every Epidemiology study

It's not a surprise that a doctor well versed in science is notorious for claiming the patient's testimony is impossible. They were not told it exists, so its no real.

Also vitamin D hits like a hammer, the blind spot is ridiculous! 😭