Spiritual Trump supporters

[gettoefl]

I am sanguine about DT and this 4 years. I admittedly used to get triggered terribly when I lived in the US. Hopefully I have matured now. He's in for 4 years or maybe 8. My life will plod on regardless. My portfolio will take a hit but I will still put food on the table. I know this is a reality I have created and it's not a big deal. I change the world by how I see it not by politics or activism. Everyone is fleshless faultless flawless. I see what I want. I just need willingness every moment. I pray to be given vision and let go of sight. It's all in my hands. The only measurement is the love I extend to see innocence grace holiness everywhere.

[WikiRando]

You can absolutely be an highly spiritual person and be a Trump lover.

I've met many of these people.

All you have to do is believe in false narratives and be tricked by his reality distortion bubble. 

Just because you had some mystical experiences doesn't mean you're immune to self deception or know a lot about politics, psychology etc.

Edited April 8 by WikiRando

[Aaron p]

I know one thing, I don't know politics. 

But Leo does, and if he's as accurate with politics as he is with spirituality, I find it highly likely that he is accurate about trump.

I seriously get the sense that trump is bad news. although he gives political correctness the finger, which is slightly entertaining. Honestly I have no idea about politics, but yeah...eh, I say Leo for president lol.

I found a YouTube channel that apparently prides itself on its unbiasedness in delivering political info. "Breaking Points" it's called

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[Yimpa]

A lot of people who believe in God also believe in Trump.

[Yimpa]

@Aaron p Nice work on doing your homework 👍

[Breakingthewall]

3 hours ago, Aaron p said:

I know one thing, I don't know politics. 

But Leo does, and if he's as accurate with politics as he is with spirituality, I find it highly likely that he is accurate about trump.

I seriously get the sense that trump is bad news. although he gives political correctness the finger, which is slightly entertaining. Honestly I have no idea about politics, but yeah...eh, I say Leo for president lol.

I found a YouTube channel that apparently prides itself on its unbiasedness in delivering political info. "Breaking Points" it's called

He also was sure about the aliens were going to reveal his presence among us a year ago, and that all the people with power around the world already knew it

[Aaron p]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He also was sure about the aliens were going to reveal his presence among us a year ago, and that all the people with power around the world already knew it

...yeah I thought that happened to everyone.. your telling me it didn't happen to you??

[Aaron p]

Nah only joking lol, that sounds pretty wacky lolol

[BlueOak]

if I have to play devil's advocate for trump supporters. A lot of the energy is rebellious in nature.

1, Masculine Backlash 
2, Populist Backlash.
3, Anti government Backlash.
4, Economic hardship.
5, War
6, Upturn in identity politics due to social media.

A lot of misunderstanding and feelings first politics. People saying: 'I like him because he's X. Pick an X. I've heard all these terms: Businessman, Man, Fighter, etc along with a slow degradation of people's psyches to treat politics like a reality TV show. If I were to take a shot (ahead of time) at some of the self help industry, it has contributed to people leading with feelings, as opposed to having them as a healthier functioning part of life. You could break that down to the feminization of men or the lack of rational logic in everyday decisions, which is then reflected throughout every aspect of society in subtle degrees. (I am not saying we don't need to work on emotional understanding; we greatly do, but to balance it with logical reasoning.)

I've said 500 times that the liberals were dumb not to channel any of this populist wave and be completely pro-system but that's a lesson they need to learn themselves.

Moreover, there's a lot of gender realignment going on. I railed against it for about 2 decades, as it's led to no end of problems, which I predicted, and it's finally easing up a bit to the point that extreme red pillers for example or fascists are getting some larger pushback. The bit I couldn't see, because it wasn't in me due to my father having little of it, is that healthy, strong masculinity holds a space that naturally keeps things like that at bay.

Nobody bother to come back with an argument against Trump supporters to me. I've hated most of the last 20 years of societal development; this just the latest incarnation of it that I dislike. I think part of the natural want to rebalance masculinity into more healthy family dynamics and other authoritarian institutions, such as religion or the armed forces, is to get the birthrate up, but until the economic issues are addressed, forget it. Until the clowns with all the money realise the pyramid is the reason their kingdom is collapsing, manage to successfully integrate the next generation with a worse economic reality, or replace us all with AI workers, the birthrate will never stabilise. 

Edited April 8 by BlueOak

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

He also was sure about the aliens were going to reveal his presence among us a year ago

Don't mis-state what I said. I never spoke of any aliens revealing themselves to you.

[Leo Gura]

On 4/7/2025 at 6:34 AM, Breakingthewall said:

Trump supporters have a lot in common with Trump's detractors: neither of them has a clue how the world works. They are governed by their emotions,

Such gaslighting nonsense.

Trump's detractors use basic intelligence to see that Trump is a miserable, dangerous pervert.

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Such gaslighting nonsense.

Trump's detractors use basic intelligence to see that Trump is a miserable, dangerous pervert.

I think he's dumb, I'm not sure if he's miserable without nothing inside except greed. 

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Don't mis-state what I said. I never spoke of any aliens revealing themselves to you.

True, but you thought that they've visited the earth and the government has hidden that fact. It was supposed to be made public after the summer of two years ago because two guys who'd been in positions of power talked about it, but it seemed like they just wanted to make a few dollars. Anyway, I can't say 100% that you're wrong, but I'd say 97%.

26 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

...yeah I thought that happened to everyone.. your telling me it didn't happen to you??

No way! That's impossible. If it were true, the rulers who have hidden the nature of the cosmos from the population would have to be killed. It's one thing to lie about the war in Ukraine or the Kennedy assassination, and another thing about an event that completely changes our conception of reality.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

True, but you thought that they've visited the earth and the government has hidden that fact.

That's what all the evidence points to.

I am merely looking at the preponderance of evidence and weighing it logically. This is in alignment with rationality and scientific method.

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It was supposed to be made public after the summer of two years ago

I never said that. I have no expectations of it being made public. The people hoping for disclosure are foolish. Disclosure will be withheld as long as possible. The notion that some congressional public hearing will lead to disclosure is naive and I never expected anything from those hearings. UFO people create a lot of hype for every piece of UFO news. I do not.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's what all the evidence points to.

I think hiding something of that magnitude is impossible; someone would have said so. If it were true, everything we believe about reality is absolutely false. It seems to me to be at the level of flat-earthers.

If it were true, thousands of people would know about it: all the presidents of many countries, their close associates, many intelligence officials from different countries, their friends, their children... it's too much; it's something of enormous magnitude. It's impossible to hide. But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.

 

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

someone would have said so.

Hundreds have said so.

It's been a leaked and open secret for 80 years. It's so not a secret any more precisely because secrets leak.

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[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Hundreds have said so.

It's been a leaked and open secret for 80 years. It's so not a secret any more.

I'm going to watch those documentaries, interesting idea. Of course id like that's true, but seems too much. Interdimensional drives or wormholes and such, and these guys hiding the nature of the universe from the world? Imagine that Donald trump knows it, he would say it, and Elon musk too, just for narcissism, it's impossible that they keep the secret 

[Aaron p]

Holy fuck, so aliens are real.

I just chat gpt'ed the shit out of this:

 

Here are 10 of the most compelling and widely discussed cases that many consider to be among the most convincing in the UFO/alien phenomenon:

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1. USS Nimitz “Tic Tac” Incident (2004)

Navy pilots encountered a white, oval-shaped object off the coast of San Diego. The object displayed flight characteristics beyond known technology (e.g., no wings, rapid acceleration, no visible propulsion).

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident

 

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2. Pentagon UFO Videos (Released 2020)

Three officially released videos (FLIR1, GIMBAL, GOFAST) captured by U.S. Navy pilots show unidentified aerial phenomena defying known physics, including sudden stops and hypersonic speeds.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos

 

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3. The Ariel School Encounter (Zimbabwe, 1994)

Over 60 schoolchildren reported seeing a craft land and beings exit. The children independently gave consistent drawings and descriptions. A Harvard psychologist interviewed them, finding no signs of deception.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_School_UFO_incident

 

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4. The Phoenix Lights (Arizona, 1997)

Thousands witnessed a massive, silent, V-shaped object with lights moving slowly over Phoenix. It was seen by civilians and military personnel and remains unexplained despite official claims.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Lights

 

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5. The Rendlesham Forest Incident (UK, 1980)

U.S. Air Force personnel stationed in the UK reported strange lights and physical traces in the forest. One officer claimed to touch a craft. Multiple witnesses gave affidavits, and audio recordings exist.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident

 

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6. Barney and Betty Hill Abduction (1961)

A couple claimed to have been abducted in New Hampshire. Their detailed and consistent recollections under hypnosis, combined with physical evidence like broken watches and scuffed shoes, set the template for future abduction reports.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_and_Betty_Hill

 

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7. O'Hare Airport UFO Sighting (Chicago, 2006)

United Airlines employees saw a saucer-shaped object hovering over the terminal before shooting up through the clouds at great speed. FAA initially denied it but later confirmed radar anomalies.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O'Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting

 

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8. The Belgian UFO Wave (1989–1990)

Thousands of witnesses, including police and military, reported large triangular craft with lights. Belgian Air Force scrambled jets, and radar confirmed objects performing impossible maneuvers.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave

 

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9. The Roswell Incident (New Mexico, 1947)

Initially reported as a “flying disc” crash by the military, then retracted and claimed to be a weather balloon. The incident spawned decades of whistleblowers and speculation about recovered alien bodies and technology.

URL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_incident

 

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10. Commander David Fravor's Testimony (2020 Congressional Hearings)

Fravor, a decorated pilot involved in the Nimitz incident, testified under oath that the craft he encountered was “not of this world” and outperformed anything he’d seen in his career.

URL: https://www.congress.gov/event/118th-congress/house-event/116282/text

 

 

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Aaron p said:

Holy fuck, so aliens are real.

[Aaron p]

I know trumps quite chaotic, but I don't like the demonisation of him. I'm coming at this from a philosophical perspective, where it's less appropriate to demonise even if he is a bit mad. Honestly, I don't like the fact that the establishment manipulates the public with media and such...like the media pushing the word "war" to describe the Ukrainian invasion. Regardless of if it was actually a war, Its obvious they started inserting this word intentionally and repeatedly to turn through west against Russia as quickly as possible. 

I could be completely oblivious as to the underdevelopment of political leaders and their sheer madness or immaturity, but I have a feeling Putin didn't just wake up one day and randomly say "fuck it, let's invade motherfuckers." I know one thing, in political movement, there is usually more going on behind the scenes than what we know................

[Leo Gura]

 

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Imagine that Donald trump knows it, he would say it, and Elon musk too, just for narcissism, it's impossible that they keep the secret

No one would tell those fools anything.

Such intel is only Need To Know and highly compartmentalized. The only people who need to know are ones working on the issue day to day.

Edited April 8 by Leo Gura