If I am not the body why do I feel 'glued' to it?

[Javfly33]

And how to 'unglue' myself?

Additionally do you guys think is possible to 'exit' the body at will with pure consciousness?

 

I tried to exit the body today, I focused deeply on a good energy place of a city and tried to merge myself with it and abandon the body, but not sure if this is really possible to do.

According to Mr SAdhguru you can exit the body while doing sadhana, but you have to know 'how to untie yourself' from the body, you need to know the 'mechanics' of how this complex knotting works. Not sure if this is Fantasy or it could be real 😵‍💫

Edited October 9, 2024 by Javfly33

[Leo Gura]

Because you are dreaming that you are the body.

[LoseYourvelf]

dmt REALLY outlines this detatchment, like literally shows you, here's your perspective, here's the trip/focus

[Javfly33]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because you are dreaming that you are the body.

Can we stop dreaming it so heavily while maintaining the body?

I think that would be the ideal scenario

2 minutes ago, LoseYourvelf said:

dmt REALLY outlines this detatchment, like literally shows you, here's your perspective, here's the trip/focus

In DMT i feel like i merge with everything but i still feel like im 'something' 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Javfly33

[Leo Gura]

@Javfly33 You can try dreaming some horns and let us know how that goes.

[r0ckyreed]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because you are dreaming that you are the body.

But it is a contradiction because there could be no hallucination without a body. For instance, to hallucinate a human experience presupposes a hallucination of a human body. Part of that hallucination is hallucinating that a brain causes your hallucinations.

How could you experience at all without a body? What would you be experiencing?

[Davino]

1 hour ago, Javfly33 said:

And how to 'unglue' myself?

Through vipassana and Kundalini for baseline.

Through DMT and Salvia for peak.

You feel glued to the body because mind/consciousness is condensed like a tight fist around the body. It's like a multilayer compressed cake. If you are able to melt this layers (by love) or burn them (by understanding, awareness or raw consciousness) then your consciousness will unclutch from the body and become expansive as the sky. 

The wrapping will be removed and you'll find yourself in a state where Consciousness has no outter limits or bounds, it goes on forever. Try to become aware of the limit of your perception right now. Imagine that wall breaks and it expands for Infinity.

Edited October 9, 2024 by Davino

[Davino]

Consider also the role identification plays. It is important to really independently contemplate this phenomenon.

There are two main schools of approach. The first one contracts identity to 0. The second one expands identity to Infinity. I feel more comfortable with the second and that has been my approach.

Right now ponder what you consider as I. Let's say the body, the thoughts, the emotions, the memories, the breathing, the organs and cells, digestion etc.

All of this complex and multifaceted functions you consider as I. Now try to cognise all the happenings in the macrocosm, all that is going on, the weather, the sounds, shapes, movement, temperatures, humans, animals, architecture etc. Try to become conscious that it's equally I. In the same way it is in the microcosm of your human Self, so it is in the macrocosm of The Universe.

This cognition helps to unhook yourself from body-mind identification. 

[Davino]

35 minutes ago, r0ckyreed said:

But it is a contradiction because there could be no hallucination without a body. For instance, to hallucinate a human experience presupposes a hallucination of a human body. Part of that hallucination is hallucinating that a brain causes your hallucinations.

How could you experience at all without a body? What would you be experiencing?

The whole problem with your question is that it comes exactly from within the problem, which is body mind identification. You ground your sense of Reality into your body and humanity. Till the realization comes that the human is not the ground of your being but an expression or instrument of it, you will not discover the answer to your questions. What is the answer to your question? Infinite Imagination

This has to be realized.

There are many ways to experience the Awakening of transcending the body/mind and many others to stabilise it as your everpresent Reality.

[TruthFreedom]

It's easy, you just fixate your consciousness outside and look at yourself from the outside. Problem solved.

[Atb210201]

2 hours ago, Javfly33 said:

And how to 'unglue' myself?

Additionally do you guys think is possible to 'exit' the body at will with pure consciousness?

 

I tried to exit the body today, I focused deeply on a good energy place of a city and tried to merge myself with it and abandon the body, but not sure if this is really possible to do.

According to Mr SAdhguru you can exit the body while doing sadhana, but you have to know 'how to untie yourself' from the body, you need to know the 'mechanics' of how this complex knotting works. Not sure if this is Fantasy or it could be real 😵‍💫

Yes it is possible.

But it needs training of focus.

And also letting go.

You can also whirl around yourself like galaxies, planets and stars with your eyes closed; it's called dance of sama in sufism and it's a very powerful technique; but do it in a safe place; and you can instantly lose yourself in the vastness of the Universe; I'm afraid every time I do it and I cannot go outside of my body but it is indeed a very powerful technique.

Edited October 9, 2024 by Atb210201

[TruthFreedom]

3 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes it is possible.

But it needs training of focus.

And also letting go.

Yes, this is true. I can confirm this. You need to "not need" anything. 

[Atb210201]

1 minute ago, TruthFreedom said:

Yes, this is true. I can confirm this. You need to "not need" anything. 

Haha, yes, that's it. thank you.

[Hojo]

When I awaken I shot off reality and it felt like I was sown into my body when I left it felt like tearing hair out. There was like 1 millions strands of hair gluing me to my body.

[mmKay]

You feel you're " glued " to your body because of your state of consciousness. You are your body, but also you aren't your body.

I've been practicing Astral projection for the last month ( check out my journal, I share practical steps to have an Out of Body experience TONIGHT )  -- Google the Subtle body, that's what you're looking for in technical terms.

In my own words, it's basically as if your physical material body is " overlapped " with the " Subtle body " ( Pure sensations without the need for a material body or sensory organs ), and if your state of consciousness is right ( during dreaming, or right upon falling asleep or right upon waking up ) you can exit your material body and experience the astral realm. You still see, feel and hear the same as if you had a material body, but it's just pure perception without the need for sensory organs

Edited October 9, 2024 by mmKay

[Javfly33]

15 minutes ago, Atb210201 said:

Yes it is possible.

But it needs training of focus.

And also letting go.

You can also whirl around yourself like galaxies and planets and stars with your eyes closed; it's called dance of sama in sufism and it's a very powerful technique; but do it in a safe place; and you can instantly lose yourself in the Universe.

 

11 minutes ago, TruthFreedom said:

Yes, this is true. I can confirm this. You need to "not need" anything. 

@Atb210201 But i mean actually, i don´t want to come back to the body.
I don´t mean mentally go anywhere, i mean actually dissolve with the dream, for good.

I wonder if is really possible but so far it seems far from my capabilities. 

Not that now i am ready for it, but i wonder if is really possible. I have a lot of shit to do yet in the dream but i would like to leave before physical death of the body comes, i want to leave with my own will. 

 

38 minutes ago, Davino said:

Consider also the role identification plays. It is important to really independently contemplate this phenomenon.

There are two main schools of approach. The first one contracts identity to 0. The second one expands identity to Infinity. I feel more comfortable with the second and that has been my approach.

 

 

Yeah, I think that is the key point. Identification. I identify with the body or thoughts as a way to prevent myself from becoming infinite, by identifying myself i become (as an illusion) limited to a certain physical way of expressing myself (as a body).

@Leo Gura What i think is interesting is, there has to be 'levels' of identification. So that body and mind can keep existing but 95% of our being is 'gone' from identification. This can happen on psychedelics too, so there are levels to the 'game'.

Is not like is 0 or 100, black or white.

 

@mmKay 

sadhguru says astral dreaming is mind imagination, is not really leaving the body.

he says if you really leave the body is impossible you come back. So people that think they leave their body they are just imagining stuff in their minds. 

Edited October 9, 2024 by Javfly33

[Atb210201]

12 minutes ago, Javfly33 said:

 

@Atb210201 But i mean actually, i don´t want to come back to the body.
I don´t mean mentally go anywhere, i mean actually dissolve with the dream, for good.

I wonder if is really possible but so far it seems far from my capabilities. 

Not that now i am ready for it, but i wonder if is really possible. I have a lot of shit to do yet in the dream but i would like to leave before physical death of the body comes, i want to leave with my own will.

Well you have to ask from experts for that matter I'm really not an expert of it I'm just a researcher a perceiver and an intuitor for what I say at this point.

I don't know if it could even be a permanent thing or every time you have to come back and do it again but knowing what to do it becomes easier every time.

On the other hand, maybe it could be a permanent thing I don't really know.

Edited October 9, 2024 by Atb210201

[TruthFreedom]

What I'm saying is that you are not actually located within the body. You are outside looking in. It's like what Leo says. It's like an optical illusion. Your mind needs to shift. Don't worry, it will.

[Princess Arabia]

You are not just the body. Who is the one that wants to leave the body. Investigate that and you'll find no one there.

[Lyubov]

Why do you want to leave your body?

I would personally be more focus on nurturing it and finding balance with it. Cause at times it can be hard to experience body.