Playlist For Understanding Israel Deception

[Nivsch]

19 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The Israeli fabrications are so blantant you don't need academic scholarship to see it.

Just look at interviews with the Israeli settlers. They are a full on Nazis. And then you realize the Israeli government fully supports them.

That's really all the proof you need to understand this whole issue.

Until the Israeli government fully rebukes and shuts down the settlers, Israel is an ethnic cleansing project. No way around that. No debates over history needed.

Israeli settlers are Nazis. Simple as that.

I suggest an another kind of ducomentary that really listen and interviews normal people and not showing ONLY crazy violent groups as those instagram and youtubers so enjoy to do:

95% of Youtube is demonization. This is what the brain loves to do the most. And don't get me wrong I don't agree at all with their way and ideology, but most of them are surprisingly people. Maybe like Evangelicals but still people and not monsters.

Edited Sunday at 10:43 PM by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

ONLY crazy violent groups

It's not only crazy groups. It's government policy to support this.

The entire Israeli culture is insane levels of ethnocentric self-brainwashing. Again, the stuff Nazism is made off. Deep stage Blue.

Nazis were not all foaming-at-the-mouth psychopaths. Most Nazis were normal people who didn't want to see Jews murdered, but they were okay with it if it happened around them.

Something like 80-90% of Nazis did not endorse the murder of Jews if explicitly asked. But they went along with "the crazies".

Edited Sunday at 10:49 PM by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

I do think honest historic education is definitely needed. A lot of people genuinely don’t know the history of that region. I do not fuck with lies or liars. The USA is a country built off a lot of slave labor and land stolen from natives. This is not something most people in the USA would disagree with and the general gist and truth of the USA isn’t denied when it comes to this.
 

Israel is different, it’s a completely fabricated country built by Eastern Europeans, just a total fabrication not even 100 years old, hence why they are all white and sound European and all have European last names they had to change. They had to rewrite history and twist so much shit  that a person who values truth genuinely feels ill when reading about the games zionists had to play and lies they had to spin to justify Israel.

Imagine you’re a native to a land, your bloodline has lived there for thousands of years dating back to the Roman empire, and then one day another group of people from an entirely different part of the world come over and start rewriting every bit of history, even recreate a “historic” language that wasn’t even spoken and say it was the original language there, say their holy book promised them the land (which their holy book doesn’t actually promise this land by the way, it was interpretations by Zionists of Jewish scripts that spin this narritive) it’s the most vile gaslighting. They really believe they are from the Middle East (they’re Eastern Europeans). 

Edited Sunday at 11:08 PM by Lyubov

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not only crazy groups. It's government policy to support this.

The entire Israeli culture is insane levels of ethnocentric self-brainwashing. Again, the stuff Nazism is made off. Deep stage Blue.

Nazis were not all foaming-at-the-mouth psychopaths. Most Nazis were normal people who didn't want to see Jews murdered, but they were okay with it if it happened around them.

Something like 80-90% of Nazis did not endorse the murder of Jews if explicitly asked. But they went along with "the crazies".

Leo, my parents town Reut where I lived most of the time is only 5 minutes from the official 67' line. But still, I didn't know almost anything about wrong things being done in the West Bank by soldiers or settlers. I knew only peace processes in elementary school, and Intifada 2nd and terror in middle school, and IDF operations against terror in Palestinians territories.

The complexity of the dynamics in this area is known to me (almost) only from two years ago when I was 36 year old and started to research due to you and the forum. We are in a bubble here Leo. West bank and even Gaza is like ABROAD to Israelis and for us we are fighting with terror and thats it.

Very few Israelis are being exposed to problematic actions part of the soldiers are doing. This is like American looking on Iraq. The fact that Israel is physically small (in the eyes of Americans of course) doesn't say sh*t. 

If Israelis are parallel to Nazis, so do Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so do Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. 

I think this is utterly wrong. None of them, including Israel, are such.

Edited Sunday at 11:59 PM by Nivsch

[Karmadhi]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not only crazy groups. It's government policy to support this.

The entire Israeli culture is insane levels of ethnocentric self-brainwashing. Again, the stuff Nazism is made off. Deep stage Blue.

Nazis were not all foaming-at-the-mouth psychopaths. Most Nazis were normal people who didn't want to see Jews murdered, but they were okay with it if it happened around them.

Something like 80-90% of Nazis did not endorse the murder of Jews if explicitly asked. But they went along with "the crazies".

I find the Israeli right wing attitude towards Palestine more similar to that the Nazis had towards Slavs in the USSR than what the Nazis had towards Jews

As critical as i am of Israel I feel like their entire attitude is more similar to how Nazis behaved in USSR, not how they behaved in the Holocaust. 

Jews were downright wiped out, no questions asked. Slavs it was about taking land, a land that the Nazis felt entitled to, keeping some Slavs around and forcing the rest to flee  and kill many in the process.

A scary comparison I found

Israel: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/17/israeli-general-aharon-haliva-palestinians-7-october-gaza

Nazi Germany in the Eastern Front: "The number of hostages to be shot was calculated based on a ratio of 100 hostages executed for every German soldier killed and 50 hostages executed for every German soldier wounded, a formula devised by Adolf Hitler with the intent of suppressing anti-Nazi resistance in Eastern Europe"

 

Edited Sunday at 11:12 PM by Karmadhi

[Raze]

6 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

 

If Israelis are parallel to Nasiz, so too Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so too Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. 

I think this is uttetly wrong. None of them are such.

False comparison. Europe and America weren’t settling the land as their own and maintaining subjugation status for the Iraqis and Afghanis.

We don’t have videos of American farmers going on a rampage attacking random Iraqis like this:

That’s also not getting into the portion of those killed who were civilians was much less during America’s Middle East campaigns.

 

Edited Sunday at 11:13 PM by Raze

[Karmadhi]

8 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Leo, my parents town Reut where I lived most of the time is only 5 minutes from the official 67' line. But still, I didn't know almost anything about wrong things being done in the West Bank by soldiers or settlers. I knew only peace processes in elementary school, and Intifada 2nd and terror in middle school, and IDF operations against terror in Palestinians territories.

The complexity of the dynamics in this area is known to me (almost) only from two years ago when I was 36 year old and started to research due to you and the forum. We are in a bubble here Leo. West bank and even Gaza is like ABROAD to Israelis and for us we are fighting with terror and thats it.

Very few Israelis are being exposed to problematic actions part of the soldiers are doing. This is like American looking on Iraq. The fact that Israel is physically small (in the eyes of Americans of course) doesn't say sh*t. 

If Israelis are parallel to Nasiz, so too Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so too Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. 

I think this is utterly wrong. None of them, including Israel, are such.

What do you think about this?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/17/israeli-general-aharon-haliva-palestinians-7-october-gaza

It shocks how me this is not world headlines

[Daniel Balan]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not only crazy groups. It's government policy to support this.

The entire Israeli culture is insane levels of ethnocentric self-brainwashing. Again, the stuff Nazism is made off. Deep stage Blue.

Nazis were not all foaming-at-the-mouth psychopaths. Most Nazis were normal people who didn't want to see Jews murdered, but they were okay with it if it happened around them.

Something like 80-90% of Nazis did not endorse the murder of Jews if explicitly asked. But they went along with "the crazies".

What a strange loop! Who would have thought that the people being exterminated in Europe by the nazis in the 1940's would create their own nation state and 80 years later become nazi themselves and do to the Palestinians the same thing that the Nazis had done to them. 

God is a comedian.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

Leo, my parents town Reut where I lived most of the time is only 5 minutes from the official 67' line. But still, I didn't know almost anything about wrong things being done in the West Bank by soldiers or settlers. I knew only peace processes in elementary school, and Intifada 2nd and terror in middle school, and IDF operations against terror in Palestinians territories.

The complexity of the dynamics in this area is known to me (almost) only from two years ago when I was 36 year old and started to research due to you and the forum. We are in a bubble here Leo.

Yes, I understand.

Most German Nazis did not know about the gas chambers. The Nazi leadership hid the gas chambers from their own people because it was too ugly to publicize.

The name of the game is disinformation and brainwashing. That's the basis for stuff like ethnic cleansing. It is all done under a veil of BS, fantasy, excuses, rationalization, narratives, and propaganda. That's why I created this thread specifically.

Getting to the truth requires digging through a mountain of human feces.

Edited Monday at 12:14 AM by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Nivsch said:

If Israelis are parallel to Nazis, so do Europeans when their governments killed thousand of civilians in Mosul and so do Americans when their government were in the rest of Iraq and in Afganistan. 

No, it's not the same. Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan were not Nazis. Doing bad stuff does not a Nazi make. Nazism is about an ideology of ethnic domination and supremacy.

Americans did not try to ethnically dominate and cleanse the Iraqis or Afghans. Americans did not care about the ethnic issues there. Americans did not want to take any land there.

This does not excuse American war crimes but the American military is not run by Nazis. Well, until last year.

Edited Monday at 12:20 AM by Leo Gura

[Nivsch]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The name of the game is disinformation and brainwashing. That's the basis for stuff like ethnic cleansing. It is all done under a veil of BS, fantasy, excuses, rationalization, narratives, and propaganda. That's why I created this thread specifically.

Ok fair and understood.

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Most German Nazis did not know about the gas chambers. The Nazi leadership hid the gas chambers from their own people because it was too ugly to publicize.

Can we acknowledge both events wrong and injustice, but without comparing two different events with such logarithmic difference in severity between them, so that justice can be made for both of them epistemically?

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

Can we acknowledge both events wrong and injustice, but without comparing two different events with such logarithmic difference in severity between them, so that justice can be made for both of them epistemically?

It is not about moral degrees of evil, it is about seeing the root cause of Nazi-like behavior which comes from toxic stage Blue ethnocentrism.

The root causes are being missed.

[Nivsch]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Nazism is about an ideology of ethnic domination and supremacy.

But the real nazism of 1939-1945 was so much more than domination and supremacy as you know too and this is why it is so difficult for me with the comparison.

Edited Monday at 01:35 AM by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

28 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It is not about moral degrees of evil, it is about seeing the root cause of Nazi-like behavior which comes from toxic stage Blue ethnocentrism.

The root causes are being missed.

So if you speak on mechanics (not on severity) of this mind-phenomena that lead to seeing the other side as sub-human then I can agree with this and acknowledge it is a problem of stage Blue in Israel among all people who are bought into this supremacy point of view, which is rougly half of our society.

Edited Monday at 01:30 AM by Nivsch

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Nivsch said:

But the real nazizm of 1939-1945 was so much more than domination and supremacy as you know too and this is why it is so difficult for me with the comparison.

The comparsions are not superficial, they are deep.

We are talking about toxic stage Blue.

[Apparition of Jack]

Israelis will never give up the land because the Holocaust broke their brains and convinced them only violently holding onto a small slice of territory in the Middle East is the only way they’ll be safe from industrial genocide again. 
 

Palestinians will never give up the land because it was their homeland for over a thousand years and the way they were beaten, evicted and killed by the Israelis so their land could be stolen from them by a people they had nothing to do with will never be forgiven. 
 

What do we honestly do? 

Edited Monday at 03:57 AM by Apparition of Jack

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Israelis will never give up the land because the Holocaust broke their brains and convinced them only violently holding onto a small slice of territory in the Middle East is the only way they’ll be safe from industrial genocide again. 
 

Palestinians will never give up the land because it was their homeland for over a thousand years and the way they were beaten, evicted and killed by the Israelis so their land could be stolen from them by a people they had nothing to do with will never be forgiven. 
 

What do we honestly do? 

Have the US say no aid and sanctions until they either remove the settlements and agree to the Arab peace initiative or accept occupied Palestinians as equal citizens 

[Daniel Balan]

2 hours ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Israelis will never give up the land because the Holocaust broke their brains and convinced them only violently holding onto a small slice of territory in the Middle East is the only way they’ll be safe from industrial genocide again. 

Well they are not wrong here. In Europe there is an alarming number of people that are anti semites. I began discussing politics with people more often since last year and I was shocked to realize how many blame the jews for everything. Those backward peasants that I talked to believe that the jews run the world and all the banks in the world. 

If I were a dictator in Europe I'd make a law that states:

Engaging in Conspiracy theories will make you go to jail for 20 years with no chance for parole.

[Raze]

 

 

Edited Monday at 07:18 AM by Raze

[Twentyfirst]

@Nivsch I don't believe you are in such a bubble that you are living on a land that you actually think belongs to you. You KNOW your from Europe 

In case you really are that easily brainwashed. This is how they did it to you

https://www.transcend.org/tms/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/sf-israel-projects-2009-global-language-dictionary.pdf