Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[PenguinPablo]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I've been using the tapes for 2+ years now during mostly daily meditation. I am fairly busy so sometimes I can only fit in one tape per day as dinner is cooking etc

I've had some very, very odd experiences. You would call them OBEs. 

I use them to alter my state of consciousness. Different to normal mediation. 

As a side detail - remote viewing - I believe a key aspect of remote viewing is having a teammate to interpret the view. Your ego is well spoken about in that it will corrupt the data you pull in the view, so another person is required to interpret. 

There is a lot of history relating to it, and as Leos blog post highlights, money. Usually an indicator to dig deeper for truth when you follow money... There is always a reason it flows in a certain direction 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I know of Monroe's work. Monroe was hired by the military to make them a specialized remote viewing training program. The military used his retreat center for training their guys.

The military's conclusion was that Hemi-Sync is not as effective as promised. It requires the right genetics to work.

I'm just using it to manifest the dream life :'(

But if more interesting things happen, I welcome it. It's an interesting program. But for sure, you need to be able to relax to go into those deeper, weirder places.

[Alex_R]

It will be possible to brainwash someone using lsd ?

[gengar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You getting schizophrenia would require all sorts of changes to your DNA. How are those changes supposed to happen without violating the rest of material reality?

So how does that argument translate in your transforming into an alien mouse? did that violate material reality? and if it did, how come your human body still returned because the chemical wore off? That sounds like the alien experience was but a virtual experience, nested in material reality which was still running in the background. Or does taking the trip and doing the transformation actually change reality? If so, why do the limitations of the chemical wearing off still persist?
 

[gengar]

@Leo Gura I'm wondering why you said remote viewing is purely genetic and can't be learned. Why do you make that claim so strongly, like you know it for a 100% sure? What's your evidence for that?

Moreover, the channel you recommended (Mishlove), and the speakers he invites on there, do not treat remote viewing in that sense at all, but all state it can be learned. This speaker even talked about skeptics coming to his course to debunk remote viewing but finding out that they can do it themselves.
 

EDIT: Nevermind some of what I said, I just read your new post on remote viewing and I guess you do admit that some of it can be learned. Not that that was my stance to begin with, I'm just very interested in your evidence on the stance that it's mostly genetic.

I'm really interested in your study of it. I'm making a study of it myself and it's pretty hard, I'm not a formal researcher and my epistemology, openmindedness and skepticism are being heavily tested.

I hope you share a research report on your research on remote viewing soon or in the future. Not because I want to not do the work, but because I might miss something myself. I won't be looking at it till I finish my own research anyway.

Plus, I think it's not really good scientific practice to gatekeep research in the name of "I'm not lazy like y'all, do your own research". If this is all true, we're up against a horde of materialists who even infiltrated wikipedia to state that the state-led remote viewing projects were all duds. Are they right or is Leo right in deeming it real? What an interesting empirical research question.

Edited May 20, 2025 by gengar

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, gengar said:

is purely genetic and can't be learned.

I didn't say purely. I said mostly.

Learning anything assumes a genetic capacity for it. Which is why a baboon cannot learn geometry.

The US military tried to train regular army men to do remote viewing, and they failed. It only works on people who have the right genetic foundation.

This is not theory, this has been tried.

The people who are good at remote viewing are self-selecting. They are good because if they were bad they wouldn't be talking about it, they would be saying remote viewing is bullshit.

All abilities related to consciousness must be heavily genetic because that is the only way to account for how rare high consciousness is. It is rare not for lack of effort. It is rare because it requires specific machinery. A Buddha or a Jesus is not just a guy who trains hard, he is a genetic freak who also happens to train hard.

Serious psychics are genetic freaks. They must be, otherwise everyone would be a psychic and the skill would be meaningless. The only reason you think psychics are special and magic is because they are so rare. A normal man in a sea of blind men is a magical wizard.

I have shared countless examples of genetic freaks with you for this reason. How many more must I share before you see the light?

Edited May 20, 2025 by Leo Gura

[gengar]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't say purely. I said mostly.

Learning anything assumes a genetic capacity for it. Which is why a baboon cannot learn geometry.

The US military tried to train regular army men to do remote viewing, and they failed. It only works on people who have the right genetic foundation.

This is not theory, this has been tried.

The people who are good at remote viewing are self-selecting. They are good because if they were bad they wouldn't be talking about it, they would be saying remote viewing is bullshit.

Yeah, just read your new blog post, sorry. made an edit to my OG post. Thanks for the extra leads.

It's so weird to me that if you're right, than those materialists on wikipedia are actively spreading disinformation by deeming all remote viewing done by the government as a dud.

What you're saying is there is real evidence that the army succesfully used it/is using it. If that is true, and that information is public and verifiable (let's assume Leo's research was correct) - It's clear cut evidence that they are literally spreading blatant disinformation on wikipedia. It goes further than denial of consciousness, because that's just because of a lack of consciousness. But denying actual research and facts just to shape a materialist reality for the masses is a true crime.


Wikipedia goons' statement on the conclusions of the Stargate program
 

Are the Wikipedia goons really claiming that if each time I snap my fingers, lightning shoots out of my hands, I still haven't proven magic or paranormal stuff? or am I understanding it incorrectly?

I know you're not keen on sharing your sources (which again, with all due respect, I think is not a good mindset, all scientists and researchers share their sources, why would you refrain from it purely to teach us a lesson that we should not be lazy) , but those military sources you're talking about are probably hard to find out. If you'd share them, that'd be awesome. If not I guess I'll just have to dig in myself.

Still don't see how you found out those military documents and verify their authenticity. Maybe my source-finding capabilities and empirical epistemology aren't that sharpened yet. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, gengar said:

It's clear cut evidence that they are literally spreading blatant disinformation on wikipedia.

Why would you go to Wikipedia for such information? Wikipedia is the standard for the establishment materialist paradigm.

Wikipedia is great for general information. It is terrible for trying to understand radical metaphysical and spiritual concepts.

What next? You gonna ask Richard Dawkins if God is real? Haha

Edited May 20, 2025 by Leo Gura

[gengar]

"US presidents and the highest ranks of the military know that remote viewing is used to gather intelligence."

How do you know this.

These claims are mind-shattering if true.

This means Wikipedia is actively lying to us about empirical facts of the world.
 

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Why would go to Wikipedia for such information? Wikipedia is the standard for the establishment materialist paradigm.

Wikipedia is great for general information. It is terrible for trying to understand radical metaphysical and spiritual concepts.

But this isn't about spiritual concepts, but about real, consequential material stuff in the real world. If remote-viewing has material consequences, wikipedia should not be denying it.

There's a fundamental difference between materialism in the metaphysical sense and materialism in the denial of empirical world-stuff.
 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, gengar said:

This means Wikipedia is actively lying to us about empirical facts of the world.

1) They aren't lying. They're just ignorant and it's group-think.

2) There is plenty of factual misinformation on Wikipedia. This isn't news. People have been saying this since the 1990s.

[Leo Gura]

You expect Wikipedia to present obscure facts that make it easy to disprove materialism?

That's not how society works.

Wikipedia is the establishment. Wikipedia's job is to maintain the mainstream social consensus. Wikipedia is the fucking Matrix. It's like you're asking the Matrix for empirical facts to debunk the Matrix and then you are surprised it withholds them from you.

If you seek uncommon knowledge you must look a little further than Wikipedia.

Edited May 21, 2025 by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

You could replace 'Wikipedia' with 'Bible' here, as a good perspective shaper.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, PenguinPablo said:

I'm just using it to manifest the dream life :'(

But if more interesting things happen, I welcome it. It's an interesting program. But for sure, you need to be able to relax to go into those deeper, weirder places.

The tapes do help with focus - this seems to be an effect commonly perceived. I noticed instantly. It helps if you prep your body and mind to be sensitive: nail sleep, good food. Move the body. No drugs. Clean air. Clean thoughts - this one is overlooked.

OBEs and all sorts of other results are more esoteric.

I didn't expect anything going in 

[Leo Gura]

Binaural beats work. They change your brain wave state. But whether this results in OBEs is going to be a pretty rare genetic thing. For me they never result in OBEs or any mystical states. But they do change my state.

Edited May 21, 2025 by Leo Gura

[CARDOZZO]

 

[aurum]

I assumed remote viewing must be possible to learn in the initial stages of my Awakening.

This turned out to be wrong. I was very bad at it.

I still think it's possible, but it seems clear it's not just a talent everyone unlocks on their spiritual journey.

[PenguinPablo]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

The tapes do help with focus - this seems to be an effect commonly perceived. I noticed instantly. It helps if you prep your body and mind to be sensitive: nail sleep, good food. Move the body. No drugs. Clean air. Clean thoughts - this one is overlooked.

OBEs and all sorts of other results are more esoteric.

I didn't expect anything going in 

Just had the deepest session so far.

Practicing with focus 10.

Entered a different state.

Very calm and at peace. All desire and striving dissipated entirely. Compulsory thinking, substantially, etc... Letting go of control. 

I enjoyed it a lot.

 

Edited May 21, 2025 by PenguinPablo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

12 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

Just had the deepest session so far.

Practicing with focus 10.

Entered a different state.

Very calm and at peace. All desire and striving dissipated entirely. Compulsory thinking, substantially, etc... Letting go of control. 

I enjoyed it a lot.

 

I redo Focus 10 on the regular! What does your energy conversion box look like? Everyone's is so personal.

Focus 12 was where things went really wonky for me with OBE stuff.

[Davino]

Very interesting what you posted about The Boy Who Could Read With His Ears

What blows my mind is how the survival drive of agencies trumps traditional science and metaphysics just for having the edge. It's quite astonishing to see how they consider such radical possibilities just to have a survival advantatge even if it goes against all common scientific knowledge.

Btw, I loved the last quote from the CIA:

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Most philosophers of science would agree that there is no sharp line separating science from pseudoscience. The reality of EHF may be highly improbable, but science cannot tell us that it is absolutely impossible. As Carl Sagan says, the best antidote for pseudoscience is more and better science. Only further controlled demonstrations will demonstrate whether EHF is real or nonsense. If EHF is valid after all, the payoff would be immense. As professor Dong Taihe, of Shejiang University, observes, " A whole new branch of science could just be waiting to be discovered"

 

[PenguinPablo]

@Natasha Tori Maru I don't emphasize it a lot. My mind is aphantic. Usually I focus on the feeling, the physical action (mentally), intention.

But I can try doing a pink metal box.

[Dazgwny]

If you can remain mentally aware yet go to sleep you can have an OBE. It is that simple. Body asleep mind awake. It takes effort to do that, but you can also fluke it. It’s just a state you can enter into. Meditative. But you don’t have to sit there meditating, you can just do it when you go to bed. I certainly wouldn’t class my OBE’s as remote viewing though, never would I trust the shit I’ve saw for remote viewing, that’s clearly a different thing. Astral shit and that most definitely. But I’d imagine the process is somewhat similar, and some serious training necessary