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[Yimpa]

10 hours ago, Ulax said:

"Crowds cannot reason" Interesting thought

https://x.com/pzmyers/status/1097850585951424515

[bazera]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/orthodox-jewish-conformity

@Leo Gura

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By the way, I am not saying it won’t lead to happiness or success. These Jews may well be happier than any of us.

Do you truly believe that being under ideological illusion to such comical degrees can really produce happiness? If so, how would you even define what happiness is? Just meeting your survival needs?

[Leo Gura]

54 minutes ago, bazera said:

https://www.actualized.org/insights/orthodox-jewish-conformity

@Leo Gura

Do you truly believe that being under ideological illusion to such comical degrees can really produce happiness? If so, how would you even define what happiness is? Just meeting your survival needs?

If you are able to delude yourself and not question yourself, that can lead to a kind of happiness.

Delusional people can be happy precisely because they are so deluded. But that is incompatible with our work here. You have to not be a truth-seeker/philosopher.

Imagine a slave master who is so deluded he thinks that slavery is good for his slaves. This keeps him happy. But if he ever realizes how evil slavery is, he will be in horrible pain. So it's a question of whether he can keep himself that deluded for his entire life. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. And of course, his slaves could kill him in his sleep. But he could also get away with it.

Edited Saturday at 06:26 PM by Leo Gura

[bazera]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

But that is incompatible with our work here. You have not be a truth-seeker/philosopher.

Of course, and the happiness that ideology produces is like a house of cards, it has to be maintained all the time, and can be easily taken away and turned into a horrible suffering, if they ever realize their deluded ways, as you mentioned with a slave-owner example.

They seem so busy with all that stuff, it seems very important to them, all the meaning they create, and existencially speaking, makes me wonder how is that different from the meanings that I use to derive happiness from in my life.

I find it funny that women wear beautiful wigs. Like, they shave they heads because long hair is seductive to men as they say, and then, they use even more seductive wigs to cover their bald heads. Ridiculous, lol.

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, bazera said:

makes me wonder how is that different from the meanings that I use to derive happiness from in my life.

It is not so different. That's the point.

[Yimpa]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/god-is-a-multiplex

YAY!! SpingeBob 

[Davino]

On 27/8/2026 at 7:34 PM, enchanted said:

Great videos on the blog recently 

Entered the thread to write this ^

 

[abc123]

On 29/08/2026 at 7:49 PM, Leo Gura said:

If you are able to delude yourself and not question yourself, that can lead to a kind of happiness.

Delusional people can be happy precisely because they are so deluded. But that is incompatible with our work here. You have to not be a truth-seeker/philosopher.

Imagine a slave master who is so deluded he thinks that slavery is good for his slaves. This keeps him happy. But if he ever realizes how evil slavery is, he will be in horrible pain. So it's a question of whether he can keep himself that deluded for his entire life. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. And of course, his slaves could kill him in his sleep. But he could also get away with it.

 

Then why did you say before that muslims can't be truly happy in the other thread? Not trying to find a contradiction in what you say, but I just wonder what you think. Or maybe you can explain the difference between a "deluded" happiness and happiness. Most people don't have a philosopher/seeker mind, so why would they bother if they can be happy anyway?

 

 

Edited Monday at 08:25 AM by abc123

[Rafael Thundercat]

On 29/08/2026 at 2:49 PM, Leo Gura said:

If you are able to delude yourself and not question yourself, that can lead to a kind of happiness.

Delusional people can be happy precisely because they are so deluded. But that is incompatible with our work here. You have to not be a truth-seeker/philosopher.

Imagine a slave master who is so deluded he thinks that slavery is good for his slaves. This keeps him happy. But if he ever realizes how evil slavery is, he will be in horrible pain. So it's a question of whether he can keep himself that deluded for his entire life. Maybe he can, maybe he can't. And of course, his slaves could kill him in his sleep. But he could also get away with it.

It match with your last quote 

https://www.actualized.org/insights/actualized-quotes-736

I was watching again the Self Deception series and appaled with how pratical it is. 

Trully, when we think we got it, we just find out new levels of devilry in ourselfs or to be clear inmyself

[Leo Gura]

@Rafael Thundercat Good, good. You're starting to get it.

Edited 22 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Rafael Thundercat]

Actualized Quotes #737 https://share.google/66LJ5POAlZcHltsaI

Anyone will test this chainsaw contemplation of Hallucination? 

I am joking, but i love this quote. Today I was looking to candy in the supermarket, aware that in that moment due to the state of my consciousness I could not see that as an hallucination, but also aware that is possible to experience not only candybars as hallucination that but everything as hallucination. Anyone that think that this is easy to grasp is underestimating the power of the trick. For me is not about convincing myself that is an hallucination, is about knowing 100%, otherwise is not valid. Either I realise the Lucid Dream directly or better to not fake that I realized.

[Rafael Thundercat]

Found this text that match the blogpost about Spinosa

The video talks about Explicatio and Bohm talks about the Implicate 

"WHAT A QUANTUM PHYSICIST FOUND AT THE EDGE OF SCIENCE

David Bohm and the nature of reality."

"PHYSICS MEETS ANCIENT WISDOM

In 1980, one of the most significant physics books of the 20th century was published. Not about particles or equations alone. About the nature of reality itself. And what it described, arrived at through decades of quantum research, sounded remarkably like something written thousands of years before physics existed."

"WHO DAVID BOHM WAS

David Bohm worked alongside Einstein at the Institute for Advanced Study. One of the most rigorous and original theoretical physicists of his generation. And he spent the latter half of his career asking a question most physicists avoided. What is the relationship between consciousness and reality? Not as a philosophical aside. As a scientific question he believed physics could not afford to ignore."

"THE PROBLEM WITH FRAGMENTATION

Bohm observed something that troubled him. Modern science had become extraordinarily good at studying fragments: particles, forces, fields. But it had lost sight of the whole. And this fragmented way of seeing reality was producing a fragmented understanding of existence. One that was spilling far beyond science..into how human beings experienced their own lives."

"THE IMPLICATE ORDER

His answer was the theory of the implicate order. Two levels of reality. The explicate order: the visible world of separate objects, separate events, separate selves. The implicate order: the deeper, undivided wholeness from which everything arises, unfolds, and returns. 'The unbroken wholeness of the totality of existence, as an undivided flowing movement without borders.' The fragment is not the fundamental reality. The whole is."

"THE HOLOGRAM

Bohm used the hologram as an analogy. In a holographic image, every part contains the whole image within it. Not a piece of the image, but the whole. This, he said, is how reality actually works. Every apparently separate part contains the whole ..enfolded within it. The part is the whole, expressing itself locally."

"WHAT THE VEDAS SAID FIRST

The Taittiriya Upanishad describes Brahman as the ground of all existence, that from which everything arises, within which everything exists, and into which everything returns. The implicate order, the undivided ground from which everything unfolds, is what Vedanta calls Brahman. The explicate order, the visible world of apparently separate things, is what Vedanta calls Maya. Not an illusion, but an expression of something far deeper."

"YAT PINDE TAT BRAHMANDE

The Vedic tradition encoded this into a sutra. Yat pinde tat brahmande. As is the individual, so is the universe. As is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm. The same patterns, the same principles, the same consciousness, operating at every scale. What Bohm arrived at through quantum physics, that every part contains the whole, the Vedas stated directly."

"ATMAN AND BRAHMAN

And the most significant parallel of all. Bohm's hologram: every part contains the whole. Vedanta: Aham Brahmasmi. I am Brahman. The individual consciousness, the Atman, is not a fragment cut off from the whole. It is the whole expressing itself through a particular point of view. As is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm."

"WHY THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

The fragmented worldview ..is not just a scientific problem. It is a psychological one. When you experience yourself as a separate self, cut off from the world, from others, from the source of everything, fear and anxiety are the natural result. The endless grasping for what might make the fragment feel complete, that is the natural result. The root of suffering is the belief in separation."

"David Bohm arrived at the edge of what science could show him, and found waiting there the same recognition the Upanishads had described from the inside out. That beneath the visible, fragmented world, there is an undivided wholeness. That consciousness and reality are not two separate things. That the whole is present in every part. Yat pinde tat brahmande. As is the microcosm, so is the macrocosm. As is the individual, so is the universe."

Edited 4 hours ago by Rafael Thundercat

[gettoefl]

On 31/08/2026 at 9:25 AM, abc123 said:

 

Then why did you say before that muslims can't be truly happy in the other thread? Not trying to find a contradiction in what you say, but I just wonder what you think. Or maybe you can explain the difference between a "deluded" happiness and happiness. Most people don't have a philosopher/seeker mind, so why would they bother if they can be happy anyway?

 

 

Ignorance is bliss. Stay deluded and conforming and stay happy just like everyone you know. That is the house of cards version of happy however.