Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Cubbage said:

@Leo Gura sorry this is off topic but I tried emailing you for an interview/podcast on my channel and it didn't manage to send. There are no limits to how deep we can get in our discussion of God, psychedelics, mysticism, the scientific paradigm etc. I feel we are both coming at all this from a similar angle and I have had profound awakenings myself that will allow me to channel your insights better than previous podcast appearances you have been on. Let me know how to contact you to arrange a date. My audience is very interested in having you on.

Okay, we can arrange that. I will PM you.

[freedestiny]

Not sure if its a bit off topic, but want to share a gem of a video which recently popped up in my feed. It relates to Leo's recent Instragram video about frame control (https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbKXDGnOmbO) and other topics about skills in dating in general.

What I like about it is how it pinpoints leadership mastery and how deep that goes. Usually advice in the field is generic and not grounded in examples - so here you have it.

 

[Magnanimous]

Leo what age would you recommend start taking psychedelics?

You recommended age 30 at the minimum and in many videos you talk about taking them in your 30s.

However in your Burning Karma video which I recently viewed the spiritual half of your life (2nd half) technically begins at 40. So what kind of person would you prescribe starting psychedelics at 30s vs 40s?

I want a lot from material life; mastery in pickup, world class at LP, married, kids, travel, probably a business, friends, and more stuff I just don't know yet, so I think I have good reason to delay at 40. But I see the value in knocking it out at 30s. Imagine having 50 years to enjoy God consciousness.

Edited 17 hours ago by Magnanimous

[Leo Gura]

@Magnanimous That's hard to say because it all depends on your desires and needs.

30+ is a good general guideline. But it also depends on how heavily you want to use them. Light, rare psychedelic use is very different from heavy chronic use. I don't recommend heavy chronic use until your material life is in order. Light, rare use can be done with less hesitation.

You can test the waters a bit and just see how it makes you feel. But if you are heavily focused on career, business, or dating, then I would avoid psychedelics for now.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[vibv]

10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have never liked the framing that spirituality will make you immune to suffering.

It doesn't, but it can be deconstructed. I haven't achieved that either, but I've become aware of the possibility.

Suffering is not inherently real, but a very intricate - may I say genius - construction of GOD.

Edited 16 hours ago by vibv

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, vibv said:

Suffering is not inherently real, but a very intricate - may I say genius - construction of GOD.

Yes, but don't underestimate how deep suffering can get when something serious goes wrong. That's not like sitting on the cushion meditating.

I don't pretend to be close to transcending suffering because I respect how deep suffering can get. Suffering is a construct like gravity is a construct. Good luck bending it to your will.

Edited 15 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

The comparison to gravity though I don’t think is helpful. It frames you as a victim being effect by an external source out of your control and as if emotions are not something you are able to actively shape and choose to create by what you believe. This is not me ignoring the nuance of it or downplaying when people feel bad about the very hard things they encounter in life. I say this with compassion. I am not saying that feeling grief or pain when something unfortunate happens in life is wrong. I do believe that we are responsible for our life and our emotions and that a lot of what we feel that is uncomfortable can be let go. I don’t think it’s all about transcending, in a weird way I don’t think that is how it works. Transcending is embracing what is true always even if it hurts a little and living it moment to moment, it’s not just deleting something entirely, but it can be. I think it’s something let go when conscious enough however we choose to come back to the familiar. 

Edited 15 hours ago by Lyubov

[Yimpa]

HALLELUJAH!

 

[vibv]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, but don't underestimate how deep suffering can get when something serious goes wrong. That's not like sitting on the cushion meditating.

I don't pretend to be close to transcending suffering because I respect how deep suffering can get. Suffering is a construct like gravity is a construct. Good luck bending it to your will.

I sense that suffering has many layers, whereas physical gravity is more black & white whether it exists or not.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

11 hours ago, Lyubov said:

The comparison to gravity though I don’t think is helpful. It frames you as a victim being effect by an external source out of your control and as if emotions are not something you are able to actively shape and choose to create by what you believe. This is not me ignoring the nuance of it or downplaying when people feel bad about the very hard things they encounter in life. I say this with compassion. I am not saying that feeling grief or pain when something unfortunate happens in life is wrong. I do believe that we are responsible for our life and our emotions and that a lot of what we feel that is uncomfortable can be let go. I don’t think it’s all about transcending, in a weird way I don’t think that is how it works. Transcending is embracing what is true always even if it hurts a little and living it moment to moment, it’s not just deleting something entirely, but it can be. I think it’s something let go when conscious enough however we choose to come back to the familiar. 

Do you point to deep, deep acceptance and connection to what is in our present experience - including what is self generated? I do not want to misunderstand you - I see the movement through emotion, feeling and suffering easing when there is acceptance and surrender.

I think your passage is circling a lot of truth - Even Ralston coins it in his book title "Ending Unnecessary Suffering"

I always felt the "unnecessary" was very distinctly added in the title.

[Leo Gura]

Ralston should write a sequel: Ending Necessary Suffering

[Leo Gura]

To those who think they are close to transcending suffering:

Can you even imagine how much you would suffer if you were attacked by a psycho with a knife?

Really think about this: I want you to imagine yourself getting stabbed over and over again with a knife.

The horror of it is unbelievable.

No one here has transcended that. Don't kid yourself.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[AerisVahnEphelia]

12 hours ago, Yimpa said:

HALLELUJAH!

 

which basically means people think what is "true" is what their memetic memories assume priors.

huu well, alright going to do myself some cheese & bread.
 

[Magnanimous]

13 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To those who think they are close to transcending suffering:

Can you even imagine how much you would suffer if you were attacked by a psycho with a knife?

Really think about this: I want you to imagine yourself getting stabbed over and over against with a knife.

The horror of it is unbelievable.

No one here has transcended that. Don't kid yourself.

Leo literally just out of curiosity, do you think the Buddha transcended suffering?

You once said if those people existed they are 1 in a billion. So I just naturally thought of the Buddha.

Also just to be clear I'm certain I won't transcend suffering.

Edited 2 hours ago by Magnanimous

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

Leo literally just out of curiosity, do you think the Buddha transcended suffering?

I have no idea.

I regard transcendence of suffering with great skepticism.

Edited 2 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura apparently, getting stabbed doesn't hurt that much.

I watch a ton of self defence / crime breakdown videos. And over and over there are people who were stabbed to death but don't even realize that they were stubbed until they see a pool of blood flowing out of them. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Something Funny how about we go for - root canal.

No drugs 😈

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura apparently, getting stabbed doesn't hurt that much.

I watch a ton of self defence / crime breakdown videos. And over and over there are people who were stabbed to death but don't even realize that they were stubbed until they see a pool of blood flowing out of them. 

That's probably because of the adrenaline from being in a life-threatening situation.

If you don't like the stabbing example, imagine a bear attacking you.

Edited 49 minutes ago by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

2 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Something Funny how about we go for - root canal.

No drugs 😈

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

That's probably because of the adrenaline from being in a life-threatening situation.

If you don't like the stabbing example, imagine a bear attacking you.

Yeah, I got the point in general.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

There's that horrible audio of the woman being eaten alive by a bear floating about... Awful.

Buddha said "Life is suffering" 

It seems reasonable to infer he had not transcended suffering - as he was alive (we assume!) when he said that. Life seems to be a qualifier! 

If he even said that. 

Could be hearsay! Or maybe the Buddha never existed 🙃

Edited 42 minutes ago by Natasha Tori Maru