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[Leo Gura]

53 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

The "top males" are self made

That is what HoeMath is suggesting his audience does.

Women don't help a man make himself, though. Women often discourage it. "Just be yourself".

To make oneself requires understanding the gap between what one is and what one needs to become. That's why men require lots of coaching on this matter. There are many ways to go wrong.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[gengar]

7 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

Yes, it is amazing that human sexuality is fluid and not as strict as we were socialized to believe. Humans can have all sorts of relationships with both genders.

We are denied many variations and nuanced experiences of love because of strict gender roles and the demonization of homosexuality. I genuinely grieve that.

That is true, but you have to also realize that LGBTQ people are less selfish and evil than straight people because they are playing a side game and are not the ones having children (which is the main game).

Children born from the straight world join LGTBQ, but not the other way around, since almost no children are born from the LGBTQ world. all in all, LGTBQ are not responsible for human species' survival and thus "outsource" much evil to the straight world. 

I understand your grievance, but a lot of it is simply due to the game theory of biology and survival. Nature wants us to be brutal, while spirituality wants us to be not.

[Rigel]

I get the point of warning younglings about psychedelic use because there’s huge potential for something to go wrong but I look back and don’t regret taking them young.

For me, it added fuel to the mastery process. I found more beauty in my craft & got a glimpse of where the practice was and still is taking me. I am « old enough to do them » now & I get the point of waiting. Maybe I got lucky.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone of any age to do them at this point even though I still think they are amazing and beneficial.

[gengar]

1 minute ago, Rigel said:

I get the point of warning younglings about psychedelic use because there’s huge potential for something to go wrong but I look back and don’t regret taking them young.

For me, it added fuel to the mastery process. I found more beauty in my craft & got a glimpse of where the practice was and still is taking me. I am « old enough to do them » now & I get the point of waiting. Maybe I got lucky.

I wouldn’t recommend anyone of any age to do them at this point even though I still think they are amazing and beneficial.

I think there's a big difference between solo contemplation trips and doing shrooms with friends. In Leo's mind, psychedelic is only for the hardcore solo contemplation work. I don't regret doing mushroom trips with friends in my early twenties, it opened up my mind to a lot of cool shit and grew the collective consciousness of my friend group.

You don't go as deep during such trips since you're distracted by your friends.

Edited 8 hours ago by gengar

[Rigel]

2 minutes ago, gengar said:

I think there's a big difference between solo contemplation trips and doing shrooms with friends. In Leo's mind, psychedelic is only for the hardcore solo contemplation work. I don't regret doing mushroom trips with friends in my early twenties, it opened up my mind to a lot of cool shit and grew the collective consciousness of my friend group.

You don't go as deep during such trips since you're distracted by your friends.

I never did the tripping with friends for fun thing.

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[Lila9]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

That is what HoeMath is suggesting his audience does.

Women don't help a man make himself, though. Women often discourage it. "Just be yourself".

To make oneself requires understanding the gap between what one is and what one needs to become. That's why men require lots of coaching on this matter. There are many ways to go wrong.

I don’t think one person can fulfill all needs, no matter how good they are.

People need community. One person can’t provide what an entire community used to provide in the past. This is why modern romantic relationships often fail.

I don’t think this applies to all women. I’ve noticed that men in the manosphere often say contradictory things: they say women demand too much from men, and then they say women tell men to “just be themselves.”

But even when women give good advice, men don’t always listen to women.

Men deserve other strong and non-misogynistic men who will coach them in good faith and kindness, without abusing their vulnerable situations or exploiting them for profit, which is what often unfortunately happens.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

59 minutes ago, YIDIRYIDIR said:

I'm asking about the "Hold Off On Psychedelics If You're Young" blog post. I'm 23 and curious if trying a psychedelic once or twice to just experience ego death is okay or it will still effect me ? I've never tried psychedelics.

If you would enjoy my personal perspective? 

I align with Leo 100% regarding sobriety until well into your 20s. You want to let your brain fully develop and mature without its structure forming with the addition of substances that can destablise you. 

In every person I know who engaged in substance use prior to mid 20s, emotional disregulation occured. This emotional disregulation interferes with cognitive clarity & ability. Discipline and control of ones faculties is compromised with internal disregulation. 

There are some individuals who are genetically very resistant to external substance abuse, but it is not a fire you want to risk being burned by.

There is simply a HUGE amount of insight, beauty and intelligence to be absorbed from sobar reality. Enough to extract and keep you occupied until later when you wish to engage on the psychedelic path. 

The ability to delay gratification is a powerful indicator of self mastery. It will teach you to sit with discomfort. 

I was pretty much sobar until 23 years old. Perhaps one or two drinks, a couple of puffs of weed once. Hardcore psychedelics for me came around 28. 

It is hard to resist if you are high openness and insanely curious 😁

Edited 8 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[Lila9]

15 minutes ago, gengar said:

That is true, but you have to also realize that LGBTQ people are less selfish and evil than straight people because they are playing a side game and are not the ones having children (which is the main game).

Children born from the straight world join LGTBQ, but not the other way around, since almost no children are born from the LGBTQ world. all in all, LGTBQ are not responsible for human species' survival and thus "outsource" much evil to the straight world. 

I understand your grievance, but a lot of it is simply due to the game theory of biology and survival. Nature wants us to be brutal, while spirituality wants us to be not.

I see. This makes some sense from this perspective. However, I don’t really know whether LGBTQ+ people are less selfish or not, and I also think that game theory is too limited.

I don’t believe that our survival is only about raw brutality.

It is also dependent on our ability to cooperate, imagine, adapt, and create.

[Giancarlo]

@Leo Gura I agree that psychedelics will derail your focus on money (experiencing that now 😅). But should you even try to build a relationship/family in your 20s if you know you're going to go hardcore mystic later on? Being disenchanted with money really only affects me, but it seems much more dangerous when other people depend on you...

[RisingLane]

"I'm more Muslim than most Muslims."

As someone raised in that religion, I find this very funny.

Leo is the first genuine Muslim I have known in this life—a true submitter to God.

[Leo Gura]

39 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

and then they say women tell men to “just be themselves.”

Well, this is specifically in the context of how to talk to women.

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Giancarlo said:

But should you even try to build a relationship/family in your 20s if you know you're going to go hardcore mystic later on?

That is hard to say. Most people will not be going hardcore mystic.

Having kids is a huge decision, but relationships is easy enough to combine with mysticism.

You can find ways to combine mysticism and family life and even kids. Delay one or the other. Either do your mysticism before you start a family or after your kids leave the nest. It all depends on your desires.

Kriya yoga is designed for householders. So you can do it while you have a family.

Edited 7 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

@Lila9 What are the best feminist books you've read?

[Miguel1]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Both.

The woman will not be happy in the relationship long-term if the man loses his center and starts orbiting her.

Feminine energy orbits the masculine.

This shouldn't be a desperate needy chasing, but a healthy kind of orbiting/following.

This is what Owen means by strong frame, or frame control btw, that you have disagreed with before.

[Miguel1]

7 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

@Leo Gura I do not agree. Persuit for a man is a big thing in my experience, in attraction phase.

Within the bounds of relationship I can understand containment might mean the feminine leans in the structure of the masculine. But chasing stops at that point. Or it should, in a healthy mature relationship. 

Containment/stability is different to chasing/persuit.

 

Whenever discussing dating here, we have to consider the level in which majority of people dates, and then the level where more mature people practice dating.

[Xonas Pitfall]

5 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm asking about the "Hold Off On Psychedelics If You're Young" blog post. I'm 23 and curious if trying a psychedelic once or twice to just experience ego death is okay or it will still effect me ? I've never tried psychedelics.

I personally started at 18. 

I’m not sure I would recommend it, but I’m glad I did for myself. The trick is that, after a few trips, I eventually realized the “burning through karma” concept. You just feel during the trip that there are so many things your ego is still clinging to and worrying about, mostly survival or ego-related, that prevent you from having a more open and flowing mind. I would think about things beyond myself, but then my mind kept asking, “But how do you know? You haven’t experienced this or that. Absolutely none of it. Who do you think you are?” I had a lot of self-doubt. I feel like if you are too young, you just don’t have enough life confidence to even ground yourself properly, especially if you can’t yet feed and shelter yourself independently.

So for me, if anything, it helped because I kept feeling blocked, and it motivated me to get my survival in order. But it’s tricky to know whether you would have the same response, because it’s very subjective. I feel like there’s no clear answer. It’s too case-dependent.

Edited 2 hours ago by Xonas Pitfall

[Miguel1]

6 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

You are defining terms differently is all.

I personally think insecure women think being persued by a man is gross. I've never been turned off by this. Neediness is something else entirely. I am not speaking about neediness. 

You speak like @Emerald

Dont forget that you guys are playing the conscious dating game.

Most women will not be very excited being chased / pursued by a man. They want to be the pursuer, cuz they are addicted to drama.

I talk from experience.

[Miguel1]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That is what HoeMath is suggesting his audience does.

Women don't help a man make himself, though. Women often discourage it. "Just be yourself".

To make oneself requires understanding the gap between what one is and what one needs to become. That's why men require lots of coaching on this matter. There are many ways to go wrong.

We definitely need more healthy role-models and coaches for men and especially young men. Man, perhaps I need to step up.

[Staples]

Just seeing the name of his channel 'Hoe Math' is enough to see this guy is a cooker.

Gender wars are stupid.