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[Leo Gura]

59 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

This shows how distorted it is that, in our society, women are the ones expected to perform for men.

Think about how little respect patriarchy has for women. She not only has to bring children into the world, and do all the unpaid labor, but also spend so much time and money performing for men only to be treated like an object. 

Men certainly treat women unfairly and selfishly.

It is obvious that HoeMath doesn't really understand the feminine point of view because he has been hurt by women. He does not have enough care for truth to care about their POV.

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

The girl with the sword in his video likely has internalized misogyny, social conditioning or unresolved trauma. This is not something a healthy woman would truly desire. I find his choice of her as an example offensive and misleading.

I don't see the sword thing literally. She is just expressing that seeing strength in men viscerally turns her on. This is not misogyny or trauma, this is what turns women on. Women are attracted to strong men. Why wouldn't they be? It serves their survival.

A woman would rather be with a cruel strong man than a nice weak man. She does not view the nice weak man as a sexual option.

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[No1Here2c]

Should I be watching the video?

Or too much potential for being misled?

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[No1Here2c]

I feel I must become extra cautious about the things I consume

 

[Oppositionless]

4 minutes ago, No1Here2c said:

Should I be watching the video?

Or too much potential for being misled?

Watch Leo's videos on dating first . Not so biased.

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

A Deep Explanation Of How Women Mate

The girl with the sword in his video likely has internalized misogyny, social conditioning or unresolved trauma. This is not something a healthy woman would truly desire. I find his choice of her as an example offensive and misleading.

How can brutality and force against a woman, who is not a physical match for a man, be seen as attractive? It is disturbing.

If a man threatens me with a sword, I will definitely make sure he regrets it.

Even less harsh things that men do make me angry. Because of their nerve and entitlement.

He also ignores that many men are perceived as unattractive to women because patriarchy represses traits women value most, such as strength of character and kindness.

Patriarchy gives men privilege and entitlement rather than encouraging character development. Unlike ancient tribes, which had rites of passage (and were more egalitarian and matriarchal), in patriarchy many men remain emotionally immature until death.

Patriarchy also discourages basic human kindness that independent of the outcome toward women (or anyone who is not a powerful man) because such behavior threatens its structure. 

This is why so many men are oblivious and indifferent to women suffering.

They were conditioned to. 

He overlooks that the “dating market” is shaped by a patriarchal, individualistic, neoliberal, and capitalistic society, conditions that are not natural for humans. Therefore, any claim that his theory is somewhere the ultimate nature of dating or mating is wrong.

Regarding chasing. This is not the woman's role to chase. In general, chasing on itself is very controlling, lacking in self respect and unhealthy behavior regardless gender.

Traditionally, before patriarchy, men were the ones who put in the effort to impress women and prove themselves, not vice versa. 

For example:

This shows how distorted it is that, in our society, women are the ones expected to perform for men.

Think about how little respect patriarchy has for women. She not only has to bring children into the world, and do all the unpaid labor, but also spend so much time and money performing for men only to be treated like an object. 

I was thinking exactly on this frame while watching the video. 6.000 thousand years of conditioning for both genders made the rules of the natural game all distorted and now even more with technology. No wonder all relationship scenario is a hell. Apart of some exceptions, or people who do work to decolonize their bodies,minds and emotions. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

Regarding chasing. This is not the woman's role to chase.

The feminine orbits the masculine. That is why women feel the ick about men who chase them. The man is not supposed to orbit the woman. He cannot keep women whom he orbits, only the one who orbit him. 

Women want to orbit a strong man. It's that simple. This is why a man cannot chase. It makes him unworthy of orbiting.

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[integration journey]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

The feminine orbits the masculine. That is why women feel the ick about men who chase them. The man is not supposed to orbit the woman. He cannot keep women whom he orbits, only the one who orbit him. 

Women want to orbit a strong man. It's that simple.

Do you think what is perceived as “strong” is different from woman to woman? 

[No1Here2c]

Wouldnt want to create discord within a delicate dynamic.

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Lila9 said:

He overlooks that the “dating market” is shaped by a patriarchal, individualistic, neoliberal, and capitalistic society, conditions that are not natural for humans.

This is all natural for humans and it is our situation and it is not changing anytime soon. This is the market we must survive in.

And he does complain a lot about how casual dating is a degradation from the old system of traditional marriage. So he is not overlooking that capitalism and liberalism shapes the dating market. As a conservative he dislikes this liberalization and sexual "liberation".

It is ironic that feminism and liberalism has created our current casual dating situation. Women these days treat sex casually and get hurt by it. That is the foolishness of liberalism.

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[Ulax]

Learn thy push-pull 

[Lila9]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't see the sword thing literally. She is just expressing that seeing strength in men viscerally turns her on. This is not misogyny or trauma, this is what turns women on. Women are attracted to strong men. Why wouldn't they be?

A woman would rather be with an abusive strong man than a nice weak man. She does not view the nice weak man as a sexual option.

Strength in men is attractive, especially when used in positive, prosocial ways like building, protecting, or carrying things. It is also includes mental and emotional strength.

But from what she said in the video starting at 11:18, no, this is disturbing. I don’t understand how this can be attractive to a woman unless she has internalized misogyny or trauma.

When survival conditions are harsh, it is better to have a strong man than a weak man, even if the weak man is nicer.

But ideally, strength without kindness and kindness without strength are not ideal. The combination of both is perfect.

I also want to address his implication that women don’t know what they want or hide their true desires. Of course we do, because it is often not safe for women to express desire. This was controlled and demonized for the last thousands of years. 

Our sexual desire is frequently suppressed through socialization. We are taught to view sex and sexuality from a male perspective and to fit ourselves to male standards. We internalize objectification, which can leave us disconnected from our bodies and desires.

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[Lila9]

39 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

I was thinking exactly on this frame while watching the video. 6.000 thousand years of conditioning for both genders made the rules of the natural game all distorted and now even more with technology. No wonder all relationship scenario is a hell. Apart of some exceptions, or people who do work to decolonize their bodies,minds and emotions. 

Exactly. Everything is so distorted. 

[Nivsch]

38 minutes ago, Lila9 said:

But from what she said in the video starting at 11:18, no, this is disturbing. I don’t understand how this can be attractive to a woman unless she has internalized misogyny or trauma.

I think this is explained by that in sex for example, people tend to get excited from completely different things than they want from their partner in other times. Sometimes the ancient brain is in charge and some other times another emotional needs are more important.

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[Lila9]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The feminine orbits the masculine. That is why women feel the ick about men who chase them. The man is not supposed to orbit the woman. He cannot keep women whom he orbits, only the one who orbit him. 

Women want to orbit a strong man. It's that simple. This is why a man cannot chase. It makes him unworthy of orbiting.

In nature, women are those who give birth, they are the creators of life.

Men are those who need to fight and prove themselves to gain access to them, because if they don’t have access to a woman, they don’t have continuity.

Look at the structure of the egg and the sperm.

The sperm are competing to fertilize the egg. There is a limited number of eggs, while sperm are constantly produced.

A man gives a woman one sperm cell, and her womb creates 99% of the other cells. She does most of the work already. Why would she chase a man? 

It is hard for a woman who is in alignment with her femininity to chase a man, why would creators submit to their creations?

Men are naturally more risk-taking than women. Women can’t afford to take the risk of chasing a man. they have children to take care of, periods, and constant hormonal changes.

They feel peak sexual desire only a few days a month, while men desire sex more consistently, which motivates them to compete and to prove themselves in order to gain access to women.

Men can afford to chase women because they have less at stake if a woman rejects them, whereas women can’t afford to waste time chasing a man they have a limited time to bring children into the world, and caregiving takes a lot of time and energy.

From my observation, men don’t value women who chase them because chasing is an active and masculine behavior. I have never seen a man who is enthusiastic about a woman chasing him. Men usually treat women who chase them very poorly.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

56 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

The feminine orbits the masculine. That is why women feel the ick about men who chase them. The man is not supposed to orbit the woman. He cannot keep women whom he orbits, only the one who orbit him. 

Women want to orbit a strong man. It's that simple. This is why a man cannot chase. It makes him unworthy of orbiting.

Are you speaking about attraction phase or within an already bonded relationship?

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Are you speaking about attraction phase or within an already bonded relationship?

Both.

The woman will not be happy in the relationship long-term if the man loses his center and starts orbiting her.

Feminine energy orbits the masculine.

This shouldn't be a desperate needy chasing, but a healthy kind of orbiting/following.

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[Natasha Tori Maru]

@Leo Gura I do not agree. Persuit for a man is a big thing in my experience, in attraction phase.

Within the bounds of relationship I can understand containment might mean the feminine leans in the structure of the masculine. But chasing stops at that point. Or it should, in a healthy mature relationship. 

Containment/stability is different to chasing/persuit.

 

[No1Here2c]

Maybe there is more fine delicate balance between the dynamic of masculine & feminine to be ultimately captured with words?

Human interdynamics complicate the matter drastically and there is much at play in what triggers biological systems to behave in particular ways.

There may be general rules but I doubt there is any strict adherence in regard to this topic.

Uniqueness of personality is too vast.

[Lila9]

51 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

This is all natural for humans and it is our situation and it is not changing anytime soon. This is the market we must survive in.

And he does complain a lot about how casual dating is a degradation from the old system of traditional marriage. So he is not overlooking that capitalism and liberalism shapes the dating market. As a conservative he dislikes this liberalization and sexual "liberation".

It is ironic that feminism and liberalism has created our current casual dating situation. Women these days treat sex casually and get hurt by it. That is the foolishness of liberalism.

What he sees as traditional marriage is not my definition of tradition, but simply an oppressive structure that benefits men more than women, so obviously he supports it. For me, a fundamental human tradition is pre-patriarchal and more egalitarian.

Capitalism is the offspring of patriarchy, the value of capital, the material above any other value, is the same as patriarchy valuing possession above anything else.

Both are pretty materialistic and non-spiritual, which are not in alignment with human nature, which is more rounded.

For me, the casual dating era and casual sex (which is often non-erotic, with strangers) are just the natural outcome of such a society.

Feminism proposes the radical idea that women have sexual desires and the right to sexual autonomy. But society is not ready for it. This has been abused by patriarchy and capitalism through porn and the hooking culture.

I recommend the book Pornography: Men Possessing Women by Andrea Dworkin.