Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Raze]

10 minutes ago, bazera said:

Can you give examples of what you mean? Like in practice, what kind of manipulations are you saying would be okay for you? Specific scenarios.

Here are two posts I saw on reddit from women complaining about men’s behavior and thousands of women agreeing.

In reality these men were just transparent and direct.

the only difference between these guys and the guys that end up sleeping with these girls and probably end up in a relationship is they don’t know how to manipulate her emotions in a strategic way to make her want to accept their advances.

Edited 9 hours ago by Raze

[bazera]

@Raze Attraction and mating requires some manipulation, but there are degrees. 

Also, those are examples of manipulating to attract (or fail to do so), but I think there's way less need to do that when you are in a relationship.

Dynamics change between attraction and relationship phases.

Edited 8 hours ago by bazera

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Also during attraction there is TACT. Sexual advances within 2 hours is a bit much - even for me. And I have a lot less inhibitions around sex and expressiveness that many other women. Excluding being healthy and safe.

This could possibly be a case of cognitive bias - cherry picking parts of our experience to pay attention to, while ignoring all other relevant evidence. Cognitive bias and red pill go together like hinges on a door.

Edited 9 hours ago by Natasha Tori Maru

[bazera]

Yes it's ridiculous to suggest sex an hour after getting a number from girl you met during run. Lol.

 

[Leo Gura]

My shortest pickup was 10 minutes.

[Ajay0]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Ajay0 It is not just the lack of police and legal system, it is culture and development level.

I keep telling you guys: Development Level.

But we do have positives as well.

India has had a female president and prime minister.

UK's first female prime minister Margaret Thatcher considered the then Indian female prime minister Indira Gandhi as a role model and inspiration. 

Indira Gandhi was the world's second female prime minister, the first being Sirimavo Bandaranaike of Sri Lanka.

In comparison the US has never had a female president, and it is only recently that it had its first female vice-president in Kamla Harris.

[Leo Gura]

@Ajay0 There are many cool aspects to India. It was just a documentary about a single issue. Don't take it as an attack on India.

You don't need to defend India. It's not going anywhere.

Edited 8 hours ago by Leo Gura

[Ajay0]

I have personally witnessed western women walking in Indian beaches wearing bikinis as well as Indian muslim women not wearing hijabs or burqas in public in India. 

If these are parameters of women's safety and rights in India, I would say India is doing okay at the moment. 

However the benchmark would be safety as set by Gandhi's saying, "The day a woman can walk freely on the roads at night, that day we can say that India has achieved independence."

If this can happen uniformly in India, it would be a major achievement. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Ajay0

[Leo Gura]

Delhi: Rape capitol of the world.

[Ajay0]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Delhi: Rape capitol of the world.

Based on National Crime Records data, Delhi has frequently recorded the highest absolute number of rape cases among major Indian cities, often leading to the label of "rape capital" of India in Indian english speaking media and public discourse.

This however was twisted by western media narratives and other later on  as the 'rape capital of the world' and so on in a process similar to the game of chinese whispers.

However, in terms of rape statistics , India has performed perceivably better than some western nations at present. 

[Ajay0]

There has been focus on empowerment of women in India through measures taken by the Indian government through its institutions...

Recently two Indian female naval officers crossed Point Nemo, the most remote location on earth, aboard the Indian Naval Sailing Vessel (INSV) Tarini sailing on their own. 

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/2-indian-navy-women-officers-cross-point-nemo-earths-most-remote-location-7600117

They undertook a mission to circumnavigate the earth on October 2, 2024 covering over 47,041 km crossing three oceans, four continents and returned back home on May 29, 2025 on schedule.

https://www.indiasentinels.com/navy/navika-sagar-parikrama-ii-historic-homecoming-as-indian-navy-women-officers-complete-globe-circumnavigation-on-insv-tarini-6855

Similarly, an all-women team comprised of female Indian army soldiers, became  the first all-women expedition in the world to summit Mt. Everest in 2005. 

India has the highest percentage of female pilots globally, the International Society of Women Airline Pilots estimates, with about 12.4% of all pilots women, compared with 5.5% in the US, the world’s largest aviation market, and 4.7% in the UK.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/8/9/how-does-india-have-twice-as-many-women-airline-pilots-than-us

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Ajay0

[integral]

2 hours ago, Raze said:

Here are two posts I saw on reddit from women complaining about men’s behavior and thousands of women agreeing.

In reality these men were just transparent and direct.

the only difference between these guys and the guys that end up sleeping with these girls and probably end up in a relationship is they don’t know how to manipulate her emotions in a strategic way to make her want to accept their advances.

Attracting a woman in the first phase it's not the same as a long-term relationship. You're mixing things up.

Unless the person you're dating is the same developmental level than you then you're going to have to adapt to them which is to give them in a healthy way what they need. 

1. Adapting is giving the person what they need to be healthy and to move forward together 
2. Manipulation is getting what you want from them, it is extraction, with out there best interests

Edited 7 hours ago by integral

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Delhi: Rape capitol of the world.

New York City has a higher rate of rape than Delhi

[Phil King]

24 minutes ago, Raze said:

New York City has a higher rate of rape than Delhi

I googled this and got “Rape rate in NYC is about 8 per 100,000” whereas “rape rate in Delhi is about 14 per 100,000” or almost double. Also remember that 90% of rape in India is committed by a known person so I bet a ton of rape there isn’t even reported because it’s seen as basically a death sentence there. If it is known that woman has been raped in India there seen as impure and are ostracized so there is a huge reason to not report it.

 

also not to be racist but I doubt that it’s white people doing all those rapes in nyc

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Phil King said:

also not to be racist but I doubt that it’s white people doing all those rapes in nyc

It's Indians

[Raze]

30 minutes ago, Phil King said:

I googled this and got “Rape rate in NYC is about 8 per 100,000” whereas “rape rate in Delhi is about 14 per 100,000” or almost double. Also remember that 90% of rape in India is committed by a known person so I bet a ton of rape there isn’t even reported because it’s seen as basically a death sentence there. If it is known that woman has been raped in India there seen as impure and are ostracized so there is a huge reason to not report it.

 

also not to be racist but I doubt that it’s white people doing all those rapes in nyc

No it isn’t, it’s 31

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

A ton of rape isn’t reported in the US either for similar reasons 

White people are 30% of New York city and 9% of rape suspects 

Boise Idaho has a similar rate and most offenders are white, whites are 70% there.

Edited 6 hours ago by Raze

[Nemra]

@Leo Gura, couldn't you make the case that you are a true liberal or true progressive?

Also, there were some things on "The good" list that I think are good for everyone.

Edited 6 hours ago by Nemra

[Phil King]

29 minutes ago, Raze said:

No it isn’t, it’s 31

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_New_York_City

A ton of rape isn’t reported in the US either for similar reasons 

White people are 30% of New York city and 9% of rape suspects 

Boise Idaho has a similar rate and most offenders are white, whites are 70% there.

Interesting, apologies for that miscitation idk why it gave me that.

When I googled it now it said that the increase is largely due to how the definition of rape was greatly expanded under Kathy hochuls “rape is rape” bill. I’m curious how delhis rape rate would be impacted if it had non consensual contact count as rape as it does in nyc

 

also there’s no way Boise Idaho has a higher rape rate than nyc, pls link that

Edited 5 hours ago by Phil King

[Terell Kirby]

@Leo Gura I really loved your nuanced take on Conservatism: https://www.actualized.org/insights/true-conservatism

A lot of it is developing attributes related to Conscientiousness (one of the big five personality traits). Whether it’s Truth, spirituality, health, success, finances, creativity, etc- there are less and more Conscientious ways to go about it. A lot  people are missing these traits today.

Jordan Peterson is a master at explaining the importance of conscientiousness- although he often has terrible political takes on Stage Green progressives. He’s a great example of this:

another good video:

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Terell Kirby

[Raze]

34 minutes ago, Phil King said:

Interesting, apologies for that miscitation idk why it gave me that.

When I googled it now it said that the increase is largely due to how the definition of rape was greatly expanded under Kathy hochuls “rape is rape” bill. I’m curious how delhis rape rate would be impacted if it had non consensual contact count as rape as it does in nyc

 

also there’s no way Boise Idaho has a higher rape rate than nyc, pls link that

https://www.beautifydata.com/united-states-crimes/fbi-ucr/2024/number-and-rate-of-violent-crimes-per-city/idaho/boise