Leo's Blog Discussion Mega-Thread

[Leo Gura]

On 5/18/2025 at 1:58 PM, Starlight321 said:

For those people outside the us who cannot watch the video of the salt traders of borana on the blog.

I've updated the blog video with your version, so it's more accessible.

Thanks!

EDIT: unfortunately your link is missing subtitles that translate their native language, so a lot is lost.

Edited Tuesday at 04:11 PM by Leo Gura

[Vynce]

@Leo Gura regarding the ice cream post.

Why does God have a bias against a dysfunctional and shit life in one of my best friends - Josh. He has the most beautiful, conscious and loving life one can have at this age. 
Meanwhile I’m struggling just to have fun meditating. 
 

So how does this relate to infinite flavor? 
What insight can I apply to my direct experience with metaphors about infinite anything. 

[Leo Gura]

@Vynce God doesn't have a bias, your ego-mind has a bias.

It's like you read my blog post and missed everything it said.

[Vynce]

33 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Vynce God doesn't have a bias, your ego-mind has a bias.

It's like you read my blog post and missed everything it said.

Maybe my wording was not clear enough. Of course God doesn't have or need any bias. But why does it seem so biased?

You see, I don't have schizophrenia. Does God have a bias against schizophrenia? Why does God stubbornly refuse to give me some schizophrenia flavors?

And if you are only talking about ultimately everything being infinite, than how does this relate to the relative world? At which point does Infinity limit itself to this experience here? There is infinite bias needed to exclude so many other experiences that could be this moment.

Edited Tuesday at 05:53 PM by Vynce

[Leo Gura]

32 minutes ago, Vynce said:

Why does God stubbornly refuse to give me some schizophrenia flavors?

Because you are a very specific way. Every living thing must be very specific. That's what life is. You can't just change it willy-nilly once it is some specific way.

You getting schizophrenia would require all sorts of changes to your DNA. How are those changes supposed to happen without violating the rest of material reality?

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And if you are only talking about ultimately everything being infinite, than how does this relate to the relative world? At which point does Infinity limit itself to this experience here? There is infinite bias needed to exclude so many other experiences that could be this moment.

It's like you're asking why did Nintendo make a Mario game and not some other totally different game? Obviously they could have, but for very complex historical reasons they settled on a Mario game. It's kind of silly to expect a full explanation of why Mario was made and not something else.

The kind of explanation you're looking for would require infinite complexity to know. It's like asking why the clouds in the sky are like this and not like that? Well, you'd need to calculate the movement of every molecule in the atmosphere for the last 4 billions years. That's why. So such an explanation is not graspable.

Explanations have different levels of abstraction. You need to ask questions appropriate to the right level of abstraction that your mind is working at. Asking why a particular cloud is a particular shape is to ask about a level that the human mind is incapable of working at.

When it comes to Infinity eventually all explanations run dry. You need to be smart enough to expect that rather than foolishly trying to get finite explanations of Infinity. The solution is not look for deeper explanations but to transition into existing AS Infinity. You live in Mystery. That's the answer.

Edited Tuesday at 06:15 PM by Leo Gura

[abundance]

The remote viewing topic is interesting. Not sure how much it relates but I think I may have a bit of clairvoyance and it may be genetic. When I was 12, I dreamed of the 9/11 World Trade Center attack a few weeks before it happened. And a few years ago my mother would close her eyes and have hypnagogic visions of the Covid Pandemic before it happened.

I never paid much mind to these abilities until recently and always chalked it up to pure coincedence. In retrospect, I have always had visions of events happening. Oddly many of these visions we're (and are) set in a totally different timeline from the one we're living in. I suppose these could just be the result of a vivid imagination but many of them seem too real and have an odd sense of familiarity to them. As if it's it been a lived experience of mine at some point. 

Edited Tuesday at 07:07 PM by abundance

[PenguinPablo]

The other good one is the Hemi-Sync tapes from the Monroe institute. Freaky shit like leaving your body entirely, and meeting the "gate director" like some Yu Yu Hakusho Spirit World guide type shit. Also CIA declassified docs associated with these. 

Personally, I haven't been able to progress through these as my mind is very conceptual / busy. But includes instructions + binaural beats step by step.

Includes moving through many different states apparently, and learning it as a skill. Out of body, lucid dreaming etc.

@Leo Gura

Edited Tuesday at 07:13 PM by PenguinPablo

[Natasha Tori Maru]

18 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

The other good one is the Hemi-Sync tapes from the Monroe institute. Freaky shit like leaving your body entirely, and meeting the "gate director" like some Yu Yu Hakusho Spirit World guide type shit. Also CIA declassified docs associated with these. 

Personally, I haven't been able to progress through these as my mind is very conceptual / busy. But includes instructions + binaural beats step by step.

Includes moving through many different states apparently, and learning it as a skill. Out of body, lucid dreaming etc.

@Leo Gura

I've been using the tapes for 2+ years now during mostly daily meditation. I am fairly busy so sometimes I can only fit in one tape per day as dinner is cooking etc

I've had some very, very odd experiences. You would call them OBEs. 

I use them to alter my state of consciousness. Different to normal mediation. 

As a side detail - remote viewing - I believe a key aspect of remote viewing is having a teammate to interpret the view. Your ego is well spoken about in that it will corrupt the data you pull in the view, so another person is required to interpret. 

There is a lot of history relating to it, and as Leos blog post highlights, money. Usually an indicator to dig deeper for truth when you follow money... There is always a reason it flows in a certain direction 

Edited Tuesday at 07:31 PM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, PenguinPablo said:

The other good one is the Hemi-Sync tapes from the Monroe institute.

Yes, I know of Monroe's work. Monroe was hired by the military to make them a specialized remote viewing training program. The military used his retreat center for training their guys.

The military's conclusion was that Hemi-Sync is not as effective as promised. It requires the right genetics to work.

Edited Tuesday at 08:00 PM by Leo Gura

[Xonas Pitfall]

@Vynce

2 hours ago, Vynce said:

Maybe my wording was not clear enough. Of course God doesn't have or need any bias. But why does it seem so biased?

You see, I don't have schizophrenia. Does God have a bias against schizophrenia? Why does God stubbornly refuse to give me some schizophrenia flavors?

And if you are only talking about ultimately everything being infinite, than how does this relate to the relative world? At which point does Infinity limit itself to this experience here? There is infinite bias needed to exclude so many other experiences that could be this moment.

I’ll try to explain the way it makes sense to me:

Because God is everything - all the past, present, future - all things that were, are, and will be realized.

The best way to illustrate this is with the idea of evolution.
Imagine a chain of evolution:

You start with a jawless fish like Haikouichthys → then comes Osteostraci, armored jawless fish → mutation leads to jawed fish like Placoderms → then bony fish like Eusthenopteron (has limb-like fins) → mutation gives rise to Panderichthys (transitional fish with flatter body for shallow water) → next is Tiktaalik (famous “fishapod” with wrist bones and a neck - bridge between fish and amphibians) → then Acanthostega and Ichthyostega (among the first true tetrapods - four-legged animals) → then Temnospondyls (early amphibians) → leading to early reptiles like Hylonomus → lizards, snakes, and dinosaurs, etc.

Each generation carries mutations. The ones that can’t survive get filtered out. The ones that can survive, self-preserve, and move forward.

And this entire process - all of it - is God. Or at least a slice of God.
God isn’t just the fish, or the Osteostraci, or the Placoderms, or the final lizard. God is the whole evolutionary chain. Every failed mutation, every success, every transition. The entire thing is part of the Whole.

Now, where are you here?

Let’s zoom in on you for a moment.

You're a single spark of consciousness in a vast evolutionary chain stretching across billions of years. Let’s say you’re the moment when Tiktaalik, a fish with primitive limbs, first crawled onto land and began the journey toward amphibians.

Maybe in your life, you feel out of place. Struggling. Overwhelmed. Maybe you’re rejected by your peers, and less equipped to survive in your environment. To you, that feels like suffering - like failure. But in the grand scale of nature, that is progress. Evolution is built on what survives - and what doesn’t.

So when you ask:
“Why me, God? Why did you make me this way?”
You’re asking from one tiny point in an infinite unfolding.

God wants to experience what it’s like to be:

• The fish torn apart by predators
• The one that escapes
• The amphibian that dies trying to adapt
• The reptile that thrives
• The hominid that invented fire
• The human who feels lost
• The human who discovers meaning

You are one expression in that eternal process.

And if you ask:
“Why create all these flawed forms? Why not skip to perfection?”

Because then it wouldn’t be everything.
God would be leaving something out. That’s not infinity - that’s limitation.

To be truly infinite, God must also be the flawed, the broken, the forgotten - and live through all of it.

If God created pain but avoided living it, that would be hypocrisy. But God doesn’t avoid it, he lives through it with you. You are God, consciousness experiencing itself, right here, right now, this precise chain of life unfolding in this exact timeline.

To answer your question, it's really about what kind of answer you're expecting. Somewhere across billions of years of evolution, your specific bloodline went through genetic filtering, and the schizophrenia-related traits weren’t passed on. Because you're a limited, condensed expression of consciousness, you're now living the unique version of life without schizophrenia.

Another way to look at it: imagine God watching a horror movie. At some point, He decides that watching isn’t enough - He wants to experience it. Not just from the perspective of the main character, but also the one who gets killed, the haunted house, the knife, the wind, even the doorbell. Every angle. But to actually feel what it's like to be those things, He has to forget He’s God. Otherwise, it's just acting. So he fully steps into each role, one at a time - including yours.

In this moment, you're one of those roles - the person without schizophrenia. That’s not bias. It’s just the specific perspective being lived right now. It feels biased because you only have access to your own experience. From where you stand, it feels absolute. But that's just a limitation of being you in this form, at this moment. The truth is, you could’ve been any other conscious experience. You just happen to be this one right now. Out of all possibilities, this is the version of reality you're living. God is all of them, so He is unbiased. You are just biased because you are you now! Haha, I'm going in circles, but I hope that makes sense!

Edited Tuesday at 08:06 PM by Xonas Pitfall

[PenguinPablo]

3 hours ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I've been using the tapes for 2+ years now during mostly daily meditation. I am fairly busy so sometimes I can only fit in one tape per day as dinner is cooking etc

I've had some very, very odd experiences. You would call them OBEs. 

I use them to alter my state of consciousness. Different to normal mediation. 

As a side detail - remote viewing - I believe a key aspect of remote viewing is having a teammate to interpret the view. Your ego is well spoken about in that it will corrupt the data you pull in the view, so another person is required to interpret. 

There is a lot of history relating to it, and as Leos blog post highlights, money. Usually an indicator to dig deeper for truth when you follow money... There is always a reason it flows in a certain direction 

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, I know of Monroe's work. Monroe was hired by the military to make them a specialized remote viewing training program. The military used his retreat center for training their guys.

The military's conclusion was that Hemi-Sync is not as effective as promised. It requires the right genetics to work.

I'm just using it to manifest the dream life :'(

But if more interesting things happen, I welcome it. It's an interesting program. But for sure, you need to be able to relax to go into those deeper, weirder places.

[Alex_R]

It will be possible to brainwash someone using lsd ?

[gengar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

You getting schizophrenia would require all sorts of changes to your DNA. How are those changes supposed to happen without violating the rest of material reality?

So how does that argument translate in your transforming into an alien mouse? did that violate material reality? and if it did, how come your human body still returned because the chemical wore off? That sounds like the alien experience was but a virtual experience, nested in material reality which was still running in the background. Or does taking the trip and doing the transformation actually change reality? If so, why do the limitations of the chemical wearing off still persist?
 

[gengar]

@Leo Gura I'm wondering why you said remote viewing is purely genetic and can't be learned. Why do you make that claim so strongly, like you know it for a 100% sure? What's your evidence for that?

Moreover, the channel you recommended (Mishlove), and the speakers he invites on there, do not treat remote viewing in that sense at all, but all state it can be learned. This speaker even talked about skeptics coming to his course to debunk remote viewing but finding out that they can do it themselves.
 

EDIT: Nevermind some of what I said, I just read your new post on remote viewing and I guess you do admit that some of it can be learned. Not that that was my stance to begin with, I'm just very interested in your evidence on the stance that it's mostly genetic.

I'm really interested in your study of it. I'm making a study of it myself and it's pretty hard, I'm not a formal researcher and my epistemology, openmindedness and skepticism are being heavily tested.

I hope you share a research report on your research on remote viewing soon or in the future. Not because I want to not do the work, but because I might miss something myself. I won't be looking at it till I finish my own research anyway.

Plus, I think it's not really good scientific practice to gatekeep research in the name of "I'm not lazy like y'all, do your own research". If this is all true, we're up against a horde of materialists who even infiltrated wikipedia to state that the state-led remote viewing projects were all duds. Are they right or is Leo right in deeming it real? What an interesting empirical research question.

Edited Tuesday at 11:23 PM by gengar

[Leo Gura]

30 minutes ago, gengar said:

is purely genetic and can't be learned.

I didn't say purely. I said mostly.

Learning anything assumes a genetic capacity for it. Which is why a baboon cannot learn geometry.

The US military tried to train regular army men to do remote viewing, and they failed. It only works on people who have the right genetic foundation.

This is not theory, this has been tried.

The people who are good at remote viewing are self-selecting. They are good because if they were bad they wouldn't be talking about it, they would be saying remote viewing is bullshit.

All abilities related to consciousness must be heavily genetic because that is the only way to account for how rare high consciousness is. It is rare not for lack of effort. It is rare because it requires specific machinery. A Buddha or a Jesus is not just a guy who trains hard, he is a genetic freak who also happens to train hard.

Serious psychics are genetic freaks. They must be, otherwise everyone would be a psychic and the skill would be meaningless. The only reason you think psychics are special and magic is because they are so rare. A normal man in a sea of blind men is a magical wizard.

I have shared countless examples of genetic freaks with you for this reason. How many more must I share before you see the light?

Edited Tuesday at 11:40 PM by Leo Gura

[gengar]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't say purely. I said mostly.

Learning anything assumes a genetic capacity for it. Which is why a baboon cannot learn geometry.

The US military tried to train regular army men to do remote viewing, and they failed. It only works on people who have the right genetic foundation.

This is not theory, this has been tried.

The people who are good at remote viewing are self-selecting. They are good because if they were bad they wouldn't be talking about it, they would be saying remote viewing is bullshit.

Yeah, just read your new blog post, sorry. made an edit to my OG post. Thanks for the extra leads.

It's so weird to me that if you're right, than those materialists on wikipedia are actively spreading disinformation by deeming all remote viewing done by the government as a dud.

What you're saying is there is real evidence that the army succesfully used it/is using it. If that is true, and that information is public and verifiable (let's assume Leo's research was correct) - It's clear cut evidence that they are literally spreading blatant disinformation on wikipedia. It goes further than denial of consciousness, because that's just because of a lack of consciousness. But denying actual research and facts just to shape a materialist reality for the masses is a true crime.


Wikipedia goons' statement on the conclusions of the Stargate program
 

Are the Wikipedia goons really claiming that if each time I snap my fingers, lightning shoots out of my hands, I still haven't proven magic or paranormal stuff? or am I understanding it incorrectly?

I know you're not keen on sharing your sources (which again, with all due respect, I think is not a good mindset, all scientists and researchers share their sources, why would you refrain from it purely to teach us a lesson that we should not be lazy) , but those military sources you're talking about are probably hard to find out. If you'd share them, that'd be awesome. If not I guess I'll just have to dig in myself.

Still don't see how you found out those military documents and verify their authenticity. Maybe my source-finding capabilities and empirical epistemology aren't that sharpened yet. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, gengar said:

It's clear cut evidence that they are literally spreading blatant disinformation on wikipedia.

Why would you go to Wikipedia for such information? Wikipedia is the standard for the establishment materialist paradigm.

Wikipedia is great for general information. It is terrible for trying to understand radical metaphysical and spiritual concepts.

What next? You gonna ask Richard Dawkins if God is real? Haha

Edited Tuesday at 11:45 PM by Leo Gura

[gengar]

"US presidents and the highest ranks of the military know that remote viewing is used to gather intelligence."

How do you know this.

These claims are mind-shattering if true.

This means Wikipedia is actively lying to us about empirical facts of the world.
 

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Why would go to Wikipedia for such information? Wikipedia is the standard for the establishment materialist paradigm.

Wikipedia is great for general information. It is terrible for trying to understand radical metaphysical and spiritual concepts.

But this isn't about spiritual concepts, but about real, consequential material stuff in the real world. If remote-viewing has material consequences, wikipedia should not be denying it.

There's a fundamental difference between materialism in the metaphysical sense and materialism in the denial of empirical world-stuff.
 

[Leo Gura]

Just now, gengar said:

This means Wikipedia is actively lying to us about empirical facts of the world.

1) They aren't lying. They're just ignorant and it's group-think.

2) There is plenty of factual misinformation on Wikipedia. This isn't news. People have been saying this since the 1990s.

[Leo Gura]

You expect Wikipedia to present obscure facts that make it easy to disprove materialism?

That's not how society works.

Wikipedia is the establishment. Wikipedia's job is to maintain the mainstream social consensus. Wikipedia is the fucking Matrix. It's like you're asking the Matrix for empirical facts to debunk the Matrix and then you are surprised it withholds them from you.

If you seek uncommon knowledge you must look a little further than Wikipedia.

Edited Wednesday at 02:36 AM by Leo Gura