If You are not in Love, You are not even close to Enlightenment

[James123]

Love is the side effect of Enlightenment. If You are not even love, You are not close to source. I love you alll. Thanks for being rude, I love you!!!

[Breakingthewall]

It's not love, it's life. It is the same love that a tiger expresses by tearing off the head of a gazelle. It is plenitude, absolute power, divine magic, perfection in movement, total freedom.

[James123]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's not love, it's life. It is the same love that a tiger expresses by tearing off the head of a gazelle. It is plenitude, absolute power, divine magic, perfection in movement, total freedom.

Love=Life=Heaven.

[Breakingthewall]

30 minutes ago, James123 said:

Love=Life=Heaven.

Yes but the word love suggest something like caring. There is no caring because reality always is, caring is not needed, creation implies destruction. It's just expression, and the expression could be autchwitz for example. You could say that Auschwitz is love but it's bit twisted imo. 

Edited May 19, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

Love includes everything that you hate.

[inFlow]

Love is the last step towards God.

[James123]

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes but the word love suggest something like caring. There is no caring because reality always is, caring is not needed, creation implies destruction. It's just expression, and the expression could be autchwitz for example. You could say that Auschwitz is love but it's bit twisted imo. 

İ mean by love is excepting everything the way that they are. isn't that amazing?

9 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

Love includes everything that you hate.

İ mean by love is excepting everything the way that they are. 

2 minutes ago, inFlow said:

Love is the last step towards God.

İsn't it so beautiful? Amazing? Fulfilling? 

[inFlow]

@James123 oh yes it is. It always brings tears to my eyes whenever I fall in love with reality. It comes and goes, but I feel that one day it will stay. 🙏❤️

[Sugarcoat]

One time during sleep paralysis vibrations I heard this lady voice say something alluding to how even the worst suffering is love and I don’t think I hallucinated that must have been some spirit so freaky. Don’t understand why everything is called love it doesn’t sit right with me ofc from the human pov

Edited May 19, 2024 by Sugarcoat

[Breakingthewall]

34 minutes ago, James123 said:

mean by love is excepting everything the way that they are. isn't that amazing?

I personally would not accept that some Nazis put me in a concentration camp to work to death after gassing my family. I mean, the reality is. Who can accept it or not accept it is the configuration of reality that we call human. Humans can love or hate, but that doesn't change anything. We seek the opening of the configuration of reality called human as a necessary evolutionary step, a karmic advance, and this opening implies acceptance, therefore we could call it "love", but reality is not love, reality is existence, love It is the imprint that the human configuration gives when accepting it. If we want to do a definition of what reality I think it would be better openess, or everything, or life, existence, flow, bottomless, infinity, totality. I say just to argue, I know that when you say love you mean that 

Edited May 19, 2024 by Breakingthewall

[Ishanga]

One of the problems on the forum is everyone is making up definitions of words, now Love means accepting everyone as they are, that's not Love, that's Accepting lol. 

When I hear or read the word Love, I think of a feeling within Myself towards another person, place or thing, I've applied a special type of importance and significance to them and included them as a part of myself...

First ask why do You want Love?

Where is Love coming from?

Why do You think Love is the highest, what about Devotion, Compassion, Intelligence, are these aspect of Existence not relevant or important?

I really think what is happening is that people are having Grand Experiences, but without a foundational aspect already there, then applying what they are lacking in Subconsciously and making it that, Enlightenment is Love,  Enlightenment is Awareness, Enlightenment is Knowing,  bla bla bla...

Remember these are just words and labels we Humans have created, they really don't mean anything, its us talking around things, not about the thing directly...

 

[Breakingthewall]

You could say that reality has a a vitality, a happy, lively, quality. It also has a dark, crushing, terrible, desperate quality. If you mix them, and get to the bottom, to the base of reality, reality smiles, but this smile can take on many faces. I wouldn't call this smile love, I would call it freedom.

[James123]

24 minutes ago, inFlow said:

@James123 oh yes it is. It always brings tears to my eyes whenever I fall in love with reality. It comes and goes, but I feel that one day it will stay. 🙏❤️

It will stay brother, it is you. Within you. 

10 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I personally would not accept that some Nazis put me in a concentration camp to work to death after gassing my family. I mean, the reality is. Who can accept it or not accept it is the configuration of reality that we call human. Humans can love or hate, but that doesn't change anything. We seek the opening of the configuration of reality called human as a necessary evolutionary step, a karmic advance, and this opening implies acceptance, therefore we could call it "love", but reality is not love, reality is existence, love It is the imprint that the human configuration gives when accepting it. If we want to do a definition of what reality I think it would be better openess, or everything, or life, existence, flow, bottomless, infinity, totality. I say just to argue, I know that when you say love you mean that 

Love is like being water, flowing, shinning, gloving. You are pure love, literally made out of love. What is the worst thing that ever happened to you?

7 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Why do You think Love is the highest, what about Devotion, Compassion, Intelligence, are these aspect of Existence not relevant or important?

What is the better feeling than love? It doesn't make you drink, eat, think, etc... existence made out of love. Look at yourself in the mirror how beautiful you are.

[James123]

7 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

You could say that reality has a a vitality, a happy, lively, quality. It also has a dark, crushing, terrible, desperate quality. If you mix them, and get to the bottom, to the base of reality, reality smiles, but this smile can take on many faces. I wouldn't call this smile love, I would call it freedom.

Did you feel infinite love in your 5 meo dmt trip?

[Breakingthewall]

13 minutes ago, James123 said:

What is the worst thing that ever happened to you?

I don't know, that the Apaches force you to watch your children being eaten by insects for days and then being skinned alive?

[James123]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

I don't know, that the Apaches force you to watch your children being eaten by insects for days and then being skinned alive?

Isn't it just an imagination? If you never saw on tv, can it be real for you?

[Breakingthewall]

48 minutes ago, James123 said:

Did you feel infinite love in your 5 meo dmt trip?

5 meo is like the dissolution of the structures. That is, reality loses its limitation and becomes total, and everything is in it. You could call that love, in the sense that it is something positive, of enormous strength, vitality, you would say: hallelujah. But other times I do 5meo and reality loses its limitation and reveals itself as nothing. The absence of limits expands to infinity and in infinity anything blurs until it disappears, even love, then there is only an empty abyss. You can choose the version you like the most, neither of them means anything. The point is not to understand what reality is, it is to break the structures. In both cases, the structures have been broken

[James123]

12 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

5 meo is like the dissolution of the structures. That is, reality loses its limitation and becomes total, and everything is in it. You could call that love, in the sense that it is something positive, of enormous strength, vitality, you would say: hallelujah. But other times I do 5meo and reality loses its limitation and reveals itself as nothing. The absence of limits expands to infinity and in infinity anything blurs until it disappears, even love, then there is only an empty abyss. You can choose the version you like the most, neither of them means anything. The point is not to understand what reality is, it is to break the structures. In both cases, the structures have been broken

Great explanation. But there is a feeling of infinite love, it breaks your entire body. For me, it demolish me, destroyed my every bone. Love burned me, my entire identity. Did you experience this in your trips? 

[James123]

17 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

5 meo is like the dissolution of the structures. That is, reality loses its limitation and becomes total, and everything is in it. You could call that love, in the sense that it is something positive, of enormous strength, vitality, you would say: hallelujah. But other times I do 5meo and reality loses its limitation and reveals itself as nothing. The absence of limits expands to infinity and in infinity anything blurs until it disappears, even love, then there is only an empty abyss. You can choose the version you like the most, neither of them means anything. The point is not to understand what reality is, it is to break the structures. In both cases, the structures have been broken

Maybe as 5 Meo user @Leo Gura can answer the love within 5 Meo trip.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Breakingthewall said:

I would call it freedom.

This.