Leo you misunderstand Hitler completely

[Leo Gura]

Yes, there is very good reason behind slavery, oppression, war, theft, and genocide. It's all very useful and wonderful stuff when you are on the benefiting side of it.

Edited April 1, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Bobby_2021]

15 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, there is very good reason behind slavery, oppression, war, theft, and genocide. It's all very useful and wonderful stuff when you are on the benefiting side of it.

It was very beneficial to slaves as well.

Think about it.

Would you be willing to be subjected stage purple tribal cruelty in some burning hellhole in African desert drinking parasite infested deer blood, and die from malaria

OR 

You can live in America as a slave to some white dude. He will make you do slave labour but feed you well and clothe you. But he wouldn't give you basic human respect.

But you would not be getting basic human respect in tribes in Africa anyway. 

I am not saying the latter is heaven but blue oppression is orders of magnitude better than purple oppression which is what blacks had to endure in their tribes in Africa.

Even today parts of Africa are terribly undeveloped that world has ignored it's existence. Stage red warfare is a daily occurrence in vast portions of it. Most places are still using the bridges that the whites built when they came there.

Do you want your kids to be living there? Those kids of those slaves who were transported to America had more opportunities to succeed in life than billions of other people in the world by having born in America alone. They should be thankful to have been born in America, the land of opportunities when considering the alternative that they are born in Africa. There are no opportunity in Africa because the geography and climate  is so fucked. You can only do so much. 

So it was a fair trade, at the time.

Now don't jump on me. The keywords are "at the time". At the time, slave trade was a fair transaction when you take into account what both parties received and didn't suffer. 

[Danioover9000]

@Bobby_2021

6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It was very beneficial to slaves as well.

Think about it.

Would you be willing to be subjected stage purple tribal cruelty in some burning hellhole in African desert drinking parasite infested deer blood, and die from malaria

OR 

You can live in America as a slave to some white dude. He will make you do slave labour but feed you well and clothe you. But he wouldn't give you basic human respect.

But you would not be getting basic human respect in tribes in Africa anyway. 

I am not saying the latter is heaven but blue oppression is orders of magnitude better than purple oppression which is what blacks had to endure in their tribes in Africa.

Even today parts of Africa are terribly undeveloped that world has ignored it's existence. Stage red warfare is a daily occurrence in vast portions of it. Most places are still using the bridges that the whites built when they came there.

Do you want your kids to be living there? Those kids of those slaves who were transported to America had more opportunities to succeed in life than billions of other people in the world by having born in America alone. They should be thankful to have been born in America, the land of opportunities when considering the alternative that they are born in Africa. There are no opportunity in Africa because the geography and climate  is so fucked. You can only do so much. 

So it was a fair trade, at the time.

Now don't jump on me. The keywords are "at the time". At the time, slave trade was a fair transaction when you take into account what both parties received and didn't suffer. 

   Sure, but don't forget it's not just purple oppressions but red oppressions as well, and some blue oppressions. Take for example the history of early America, and the conflicts between the native American tribes and early European settlers, for example the Apache and Comanche conflicts which interconnect to the Spanish early settlers conflict over limited land and food resources.

[Leo Gura]

47 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

It was very beneficial to slaves as well.

Just no.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Just no.

   I'm guessing with @Bobby_2021 claiming that 'it was very beneficial for slaves as well' in reply to your claim of there's 'very good reasons why slavery and wars exists' is because of the differences of how a dominant and advanced culture treats the less dominant culture they have assimilated, historically speaking throughout time. For instance comparing the last 400 years of American slavery industry, to the slave trade during the Roman empire for example, Roman slaves overall had more benefits and difference in treatment by their masters in comparison to how African black slaves were treated by the Yankees and Southern American states.

   Of course if we go far back, we see there's even the slave trade throughout Africa before Europeans discovered Africa, and slave trade between African rulers and Arab tribes, and if you do a comparison between how Arab masters treated their black slaves versus how American white masters deal with African slaves it's far more negative and stark. Of course if we more the initial point of comparison away from 4000 years of American slave industry to modern day wage slavery, wage slavery is way more humane in comparison to 400 years of USA slavery trade, or to African slave trade or how the Romans/Greeks did their slave trade et cetera. 

[Bobby_2021]

@Danioover9000 Thanks. Couldn't have explained it better.

Slavery was ubiquitous in the world at the time.

Slavery was a massive improvement over the tribal rituals and all the associated bullshit.

Then Capitalism was a massive improvement over the slavery.

100 years from now, working at a job will be seen as slave labour by the liberal intellectuals of 2124. Which it honestly is. They aren't wrong. 

[Daniel Balan]

On 26/03/2024 at 9:45 PM, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura Germans became Nazis not because Nazis would put a gun on their head. There was nothing to fear if you don't participate in the Nazi party. Just maybe some obstacles in career but nothing serious. It was not like North Korea.

Germans mostly became Nazis because they believed in Hitler and his ideology. That's the truth no one wants to hear

 

 

I firmly disagree with you here. I see it in my family, they are all far right nazis, I'm the only one thats a leftist. I'm always bullied, strawmanned, shamed, laughed at and so on whenever I express my opinions. Because of that I always shut up and if they start making fun of me because I am a leftist I say that they are right just so I get them off my head. In Nazi Germany probably a good 40% were like me. They just complied and shut up to not get socially excluded or to not be labeled as traitors. In those times you could be fking killed by those nazi rednecks just because you oppose them verbally. 

[Daniel Balan]

On 26/03/2024 at 8:26 PM, Leo Gura said:

Are MAGA still conservatives?

Why are they overturning democracy and supporting a rapist?

It's quite easy to fool a conservative into killing minorities and following a strongman. We are living it.

The truth is in the middle. Leo is true that conservatives could turn into the most violent nazis. But Ober is right when saying that there are degrees of conservative. For example a conservative like Mike Pence or Mitt Romney will never have followed Hitler if they lived in Nazi Germany. Those 2 are what I call real conservatives. Or healthy conservatives. But these are the most developed and most rare conservatives. Maybe 1% of conservatives are like that. Those are like the CDU conservatives. Nazism could only work with evil conservatives.

From modern day Germany only Afd conservatives would have followed Hitler. Die Linke people would rather eat dirt than follow Hitler, so will the people from SPD and the Greens. 

[Daniel Balan]

On 26/03/2024 at 8:55 PM, Leo Gura said:

It's simply an extreme conservative.

Conservatives don't like minorities. If you radicalize a conservative they will kill minorities. This is basic German history which you know well.

No really. They need to hold some conservative values.

Yes you do.

To radicalize a leftist you gotta pull them left, not right.

Of course you can find some exceptions, but these are the broad trends.

Look, I give me as an example, most of the people in my village are stage red anti semite nazis. They are all brainwashed into it via group think. I always dismissed their views and regarded them as dangerous devils. No matter how much they talked to me their ideology, It made me abhor it the more they tried to brainwash me with it. 

But with leftist frieds from neighbouring cities I noticed that the more I speak with them, I become more and more leftist.

Why it doesn't happen the same when it comes to the far right nazi ideology? Becaue I am not a conservative. I hate religion, conformity, traditions, I'm an internationalist, I hate nationalism, etc. basically the ideology that the rednecks try to impose on me doesn't find any echo within my mind. Because I don't identify even in the slightest with anything conservatives stand for.

[Daniel Balan]

On 28/03/2024 at 1:40 PM, Leo Gura said:

Of course.

Romania is a very interesting place. The era between 1930 and 1944 was ruled by the Iron Guard. An ultra conservative far right nationalist ideology. The era between 1945-1989 was ruled by national communism. An ultra conservative totalitarian nationalist communist regime. The only difference between the two eras was that the communist era was atheistic and the ww2 era was extremely religious. But both were murderous, both were brutally opressive, and both were ultra conservative. The national communism of Romania should be studied thoroughly. In my opinion it resembled more a form of left wing fascism than marxist communism.

[Inliytened1]

On 3/26/2024 at 6:05 AM, OBEler said:

Hitler was not conservative. You probably consumed propaganda. Just hear original Hitler speeches like this one

 

Hitler said you should have respect of the past but you should not identify with it (big difference !!). You should respect their achievements but that should not mean that what they did is still good.

Hitler said, It is good to build up from ancestors achievements but then put your own will into it. So just copy what the ancestors did is utterly stupid.

A conservative would never said that.

Hitler: Nationalsocialism is based on biological insights and not on ancient tradition.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course a conservative would say that it's the liberals that I would think wouldn't because they are stuck in tradition.

I wouldn't take the last part so political.  He believed in his warped mind that you could be born better then someone else based on race.   Thats just bigotry not a political stance.

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

@OBEleri would agree but would say Hitler was a conservative thinker in some ways as an individual but as a whole the government he supported (fascism) conflicts with this because it conflicts with democracy, capitalism and the concept of free thought and the ability for the individual to get ahead?  Here it was about strong dictatorship and this conflicts with conservative views.  It was about one man controlling everything.   This goes beyond liberalism as well.  So I think you can say that although he had conservative thought his overall pattern of rule and being a control freak pushed him more to the liberal side which sides with government control rather than capitalism.

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1

[Inliytened1]

On 3/31/2024 at 10:47 AM, Twentyfirst said:

Have you ever considered that the media DOES hate Trump and has propaganda against him and he's actually a good president?

He's a bad person so that trumps being a good President.   No pun intended.  Nothing good can come from a bad guy.  Well..we will have to see.  So far what has he really done? A whole lot of nothing.  Life is still very hard for the middle class..there has been no stimulus for the economy and inflation is still through the roof.  Any benefits from the tarrifs won't be seen for years to come.  So what's good about him?  Not much. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Inliytened1