Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Karmadhi]

38 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, it is an ethnic group but so much of that culture is grounded in Biblical stories.

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I understand.

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Heaven]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

@Karmadhi How can you say religion is irrelevant when the entire Jewish identity is based on religion? And same for Christians.

You're living in fantasy land. Religion defines the whole shebang.

We have still not evolved past Christianity in 2024.

Hitler didn’t care if you’re religious or not. 
 

Most of the Israeli government aren’t religious.
Most of the soldiers in IDF aren’t religious.

Religious people in Israel aren’t serving in the military.
Israel is fighting religious powers in the Arab world. 
Most of Arab countries don’t have freedom to believe in what you want. They will execute you if you’re not following Islam.

I am always surprised how you can’t see who is more evolved in this fight. I am not saying that there aren’t extremist in Israel but those are the minority and are not in power.

 

[Karmadhi]

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Most of the Israeli government aren’t religious.

https://www.livemint.com/news/world/pm-netanyahu-invokes-amalek-theory-to-justify-gaza-killings-what-is-this-hebrew-bible-nation-11698555324918.html

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-bengvir-jerusalem-alaqsa-cd27dfed6d63f4dec3eae2f51ee23ff0

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/03/09/bezalel-smotrich-the-extremist-settler-is-making-his-mark-on-the-israeli-government_6018684_4.html

"Not religious".

Yeah right....

 

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Religious people in Israel aren’t serving in the military.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240705-israeli-soldier-films-himself-blowing-up-gaza-home-in-message-to-his-wife/

Right...

 

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Israel is fighting religious powers in the Arab world. 

Fire versus fire. Blue versus blue.

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Most of Arab countries don’t have freedom to believe in what you want. They will execute you if you’re not following Islam.

 

 Muslims form 65.5% of the Qatari population, followed by Christians at 15.4%, Hindus at 14.2%, Buddhists at 3.3% 

UAE: The other main religions present in the country include Christianity (12.9%), Hinduism (6.2%), and Buddhism (3.2%).[34] Zoroastrians, Druze, Baha'i, Judaism, and Sikhism are also practiced by some non-nationals.[36] 1.3% of the population is agnostic.[34]

Lebanon is like a 1/3 Christian.

16 minutes ago, Heaven said:

I am not saying that there aren’t extremist in Israel but those are the minority and are not in power.

Number 1: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/06/middleeast/israeli-minister-smotrich-starve-gazans-intl/index.html

Number 2:

 

Number 3: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000

Number 4: https://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/refreshing-bluntness-shaked/

Number 5: https://www.timesofisrael.com/far-right-minister-calls-for-israel-to-fully-occupy-gaza-reestablish-settlements/

Please, before you lie realize we have the internet and can easily debunk your bs...

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Karmadhi

[Karmadhi]

@Raze I bombed him with links  

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Heaven said:

I am always surprised how you can’t see who is more evolved in this fight.

I have always said that Israel is more developed than Palestine.

But that's beside the point when it comes to fairness. It's as if I saw you kicking a dog, and called you out, and you replied, "I am surprised you can't see who is more evolved in this fight."

[hundreth]

15 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

@Raze I bombed him with links  

And yet you didn't really disprove what he said. 

He said the majority of the Israeli government isn't religious, which is true. You cherry picked.

Then as a counter to what he said about most Arab nations, you referenced Qatar, which is one of the more moderate nations that Israel actually has good relations with. More cherry picking.

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Qatar established unofficial trade relations with the State of Israel in 1996, the first amongst all nations of the Arabian Peninsula.

 

[Karmadhi]

4 hours ago, hundreth said:

He said the majority of the Israeli government isn't religious, which is true. You cherry picked.

They are key politicans, what you mean? "Moderates" like Gantz are irrelevant since they are not in government.

The current Israeli governement has been called as the most far right in its history.

4 hours ago, hundreth said:

Then as a counter to what he said about most Arab nations, you referenced Qatar, which is one of the more moderate nations that Israel actually has good relations with. More cherry picking.

I said also Lebanon, UAE.

Name me some Arab countries then. Iran and Afghanistan are not Arab countries.

I said UAE, Qatar, Lebanon.

 

[royce]

Human Rights Watch :

A new report documents Israel’s torture of Palestinian healthcare workers from #Gaza. The cases all follow a pattern, as

explains in today's Daily Brief:

https://trib.al/7f7XS8a

[Heaven]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I have always said that Israel is more developed than Palestine.

But that's beside the point when it comes to fairness. It's as if I saw you kicking a dog, and called you out, and you replied, "I am surprised you can't see who is more evolved in this fight."

I would kick a dog if he would try to bite me. And you need to trust my judgment as a developed person that I didn’t do it because I’m psychopath.

 

[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Heaven said:

I would kick a dog if he would try to bite me. And you need to trust my judgment as a developed person that I didn’t do it because I’m psychopath.

Maybe the dog bit you because you are a dog molestor.

If you were a dog molestor would you admit it? Or would you just blame the dog?

Edited August 26, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Heaven]

40 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe the dog bit you because you are a dog molestor.

If you were a dog molestor would you admit it? Or would you just blame the dog?

I want to believe I would admit it and go to therapy  but things aren’t black or white in life.

I love my dog with my whole heart but if he would bite my baby I would definitely teach him a lesson.

[Raze]

 

[Raze]

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Israel launches large-scale West Bank raid as minister calls for Gaza-style operation

https://whdh.com/news/israel-launches-large-scale-west-bank-raid-as-minister-calls-for-gaza-style-operation/

[Raze]

 

 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Raze

[Nivsch]

[royce]

“We destroy just to destroy”

Yuval Green, a reservist in the Israeli army, shares his experience fighting in Gaza and offers some profound insights.

 

https://x.com/abierkhatib/status/1828819901894869036

[royce]

On 8/28/2024 at 11:16 PM, Nivsch said:

it's been a while , how its going  bullshitting the people here ? any wins ? 

 

god bless the military resistance in gaza 

Edited August 29, 2024 by royce

[Nivsch]

Former Head of IDF (2002-2005) and Minister of Defense (2013-2016) Moshe Ya'alon. Translated from hebrew (as always).

Edited August 30, 2024 by Nivsch

[Viking]

On 8/26/2024 at 2:33 AM, Leo Gura said:

There could be ethical Zionism if settlement expansion is stopped, and if lies and manipulation stops, if shameless self-bias stops, and if there is a good-faith effort toward a 2-state solution. That would be about as ethical as Zionism could realistically be.

Two states is an existential threat to israel given the current leadership of Iran. If Palestine would have its own military Israel would be done for. 

With Iran-funded Hezbollah, the north of Israel is in shambles, so since the palestinian lands are at the center of Israel, the current state of Israel's north could basically be all of Israel.

Also, the "destruction of Israel" mindset of the majority the arabic population won't go away any time soon. Two state solution wouldn't fix it. The only thing now which would fix that mindset is the destruction of the state of Israel.

The most pragmatic solution right now is to aim for as high quality of life in the occupied lands as possible while maintaining the security of Israel. 

If Iran will be dealt with, the threat to Israel will diminish greatly and the quality of life of palestinians would rise quite fast.

[Raze]

54 minutes ago, Viking said:

Two states is an existential threat to israel given the current leadership of Iran. If Palestine would have its own military Israel would be done for. 

The current situation is an existential threat to Palestinians as they have few rights and are massacred daily. 2 million are stuck in Gaza which is becoming uninhabitable and settlers and idf have killed 400 in the West Bank while actively removing others from their homes and holding thousands in prison without charges.

This is the actual threat to Israel as it riled up hatred towards them and outside groups can fund Palestinian resistance.

The former head of Shin Bet himself said during his term when two states negotiations was looking like it was going well, he saw a decrease in attacks. 

Even if Israel would be safer with a Palestinian state, they aren’t entitled to deprive millions of people of their rights and safety just incase.  Should America have kept slavery or segregation in case blacks when given freedom would seek revenge? Should the UK have continued stifling Irish freedom in case they’d seek revenge if they had independence? No, and in both cases it actually reduced resentment and conflict to give people their rights.
That especially makes no sense when Israel is actively destroying Palestine, so Israel is allowed to destroy a people because they might try to destroy israel if they had freedom, but no one is allowed to try to resist Israel as it actively destroys them? 

It also is not true. Egypt was Israel’s mortal enemy for decades but made peace with them despite Israel treating the Palestinians worse and worse. It would have probably been even easier to make peace with them if the Palestinian issue was resolved.

Iran would have near zero support If they tried attacking Israel when it wasn’t occupying Palestinians. That’s the entire basis of their behavior. They’d also lose their biggest assets, men to recruit, as many would simply not join if they had a future.

Hezbollah only formed initially as resistance to the Israel occupation of Lebanon. 
 

Oct 7 as well proved definitively the threat to Israel’s safety is the occupation, it breeds resistance. On the other hand when Israel deals with with states it fares much better. You can make peace with states, not with people who you occupy.

If Israel is truly that afraid of a Palestinian state than make a true one state, tell Palestinians they can be Israeli citizens with full rights. But endless occupation of a people just creates violence and ethnic cleansing them is a crime.

Edited August 30, 2024 by Raze