Israel / Palestine News Thread

[Heaven]

@Socrates Your username is the complete opposite of who you are. Your choice of words is showing a toxic mind and soul. 
 

[zazen]

@Heaven Hypothetically, if Palestinians occupied Israelis, should the Israelis resist this occupation?

Also hypothetically, let’s say Israel defeats Hamas and they no longer exist. What should Israel do with all the Palestinians that remain in Gaza and West Bank? Will they become part of Israeli society with equal rights or be given their own state?

[Heaven]

It’s been a year since October 7th.
I truly believe that something positive will rise out of this war.

May all the sacrifices will construct a better society at large. 

Try to love instead of hate. Hate brings war, Love brings peace.

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Yes, for sure. Gideon Levy and the B'Tselem staff are examples of high moral development.

I agree with you B'Tselem are more developed, but Gideon is an example of and extreme position when there is a problem of tunnel view.

5 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

If Israelis are ONLY protesting for the hostages and not for the tons of civilians dying in Gaza as a result of their military, then sorry but it is not a high moral development society.

But when someone is traumatized by someone else, he will see him in a very negative way and won't care about his or her good so much. That doesn't mean he isn't developed just that his relation to this specific person will be exceptional.

For example 4 years ago I had a year of crisis, and in that time my mom and her partner thought they can consult me how to live, how to treat myself and that the diet I tried was dangerous to them (801010 diet, not so extreme).

When people get in a way of your healing journey when you are at the most sensitive months, they will necessarily start to seem like semi-enemies (not in daily life of course but only at this specific times) and you will be very selfish regard them.

I even imagined how I can hurt people who will disrupt my healing. Whether it be a professional doctor or a close person. It has never come to that level but that was my emotional experience. Lonliness and in a beast like mode.

That doesn't mean you are not a developed person just that you face challenges with specific people. The same with nations when are treatened.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Nivsch

[Nivsch]

5 hours ago, Karmadhi said:

Green morality which is the case in Western Europe protests for both your own people and the innocents of the enemy group.

You can do a research about Green morality of Israelis if you dare (; in other topics that aren't treaten them directly - veganism, equality, LGBTQ.

I promise you that if you do the research long enough you will find out that our society is 33.3% 🔵🍊 and 🍏 quite equally and you won't be able to find a color which is the dominant. If you are serious you will be able to rise above the myths and see this. Don't believe me, research yourself.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Nivsch

[Heaven]

Just now, zazen said:

@Heaven Hypothetically, if Palestinians occupied Israelis, should the Israelis resist this occupation?

Also hypothetically, let’s say Israel defeats Hamas and they no longer exist. What should Israel do with all the Palestinians that remain in Gaza and West Bank? Will they become part of Israeli society with equal rights or be given their own state?

The Jewish people already lost everything they had 75 years ago and relocated.
Especially if it’s been almost a century of unfruitful success. If the Jewish people had an alternative I personally would be there a long time ago. 
 

All Palestinians supporters should donate money to rebuild Gaza. Gaza should be monitored by UAE or the Saudis.

[zazen]

46 minutes ago, Heaven said:

The Jewish people already lost everything they had 75 years ago and relocated.
Especially if it’s been almost a century of unfruitful success. If the Jewish people had an alternative I personally would be there a long time ago. 
 

All Palestinians supporters should donate money to rebuild Gaza. Gaza should be monitored by UAE or the Saudis.

So they relocated to somewhere they weren’t living and took over a portion of land from native people already living there? If the roles were reversed wouldn’t Israelis resist this or any other group?

Maybe it hasn’t been a success because of occupation. If Israelis demand security so bad, how can security be achieved by occupying people forever who will naturally resist it?

The point is, Jewish people lost everything 75 years ago, but Palestinians have been losing what’s theirs for 75 years and still continuing till today - can you acknowledge this injustice is the core of the issue, just as it was for Jews?

The ones responsible for destruction should be held to account for reconstruction. Just like Germany and Japan had to pay reparations after WW2 or Iraq destroying Kuwait. 

Edited October 6, 2024 by zazen

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Mr Being said:

And are you? Your posts are coming from heavily anti-Israeli biased sources

Enough of this gaslighting. You guys keep saying this but all you're doing is displaying your own obvious bias by defending this ethnic cleansing project.

Israel's actions are egregious, shameless, criminal, and unconscious to anyone who is objective and serious about understanding reality.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Leo Gura

[PurpleTree]

It’s October 7 again here.

[Heaven]

@Leo Gura You’re biased as much as we are. You identify as a liberal and influenced by the media algorithms. I am biased and I admit that. It’s about time you will. It’s about survival for Israel. No other way can take place. Reality is perfect as it is. 

[Leo Gura]

Former Israeli General talks about killing Gazans with disease:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/former-israel-general-says-severe-epidemics-gaza-would-help-israel-win

Edited October 6, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, zazen said:

Will they become part of Israeli society with equal rights or be given their own state?

Don't be silly.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Leo Gura

[Heaven]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Israeli General talks about killing Gazans with disease:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/former-israel-general-says-severe-epidemics-gaza-would-help-israel-win

Former general. Probably he is an old man now and insane. Quoting people who has no influence and taking it for what is, is not real science. Yes, they are extremist in Israel. Just like most countries. Those people are a shame to humanity but it is what it is.

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Heaven said:

Former general. Probably he is an old man now and insane. Quoting people who has no influence and taking it for what is, is not real science. Yes, they are extremist in Israel. Just like most countries. Those people are a shame to humanity but it is what it is.

"Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich, who said, 'I agree with every word.' "

[Karmadhi]

53 minutes ago, Heaven said:

You’re biased as much as we are

Not at all. He is not Muslim, not Palestinian, nor Arab.

Nor does he have some anti Jewish hatred.

Meanwhile you are Israeli.

It it insane for you to suggest that you two are equally biased when you have so much skin in this game while Leo has none.

[Karmadhi]

2 hours ago, Nivsch said:

You can do a research about Green morality of Israelis if you dare (; in other topics that aren't treaten them directly - veganism, equality, LGBTQ.

I promise you that if you do the research long enough you will find out that our society is 33.3% 🔵🍊 and 🍏 quite equally and you won't be able to find a color which is the dominant. If you are serious you will be able to rise above the myths and see this. Don't believe me, research yourself.

Israel is an interesting case where they do indeed have a green attitude towards LGBT and veganism.

But when it comes to Palestinians, they seem to regress and become classical blue.

Hitler was also a vegan and animal lover. So you can be genocidal and also an animal lover at once.

I am not saying Israelis are like Hitler, but it is a very clear case of how you can have green attitudes towards some cases and blue attitudes towards others.

When it comes to the specific case of Palestinians, I notice a very blue attitude towards Israelis at large.

An extreme amount of dehumanization, not taking of any responsibility and little to no empathy.

Even towards childreen.

To summarize it best, I saw a clip online of an Israeli who lives not far from the Gaza border.

He was saying "we love everyone, peace and love to all, all good" etc, your typical hippie green attitude.

Then the reporter asked what he thought about the Gaza war

His response: "Destroy them all".

Israeli morality in a nutshell...

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Karmadhi

[PurpleTree]

6 minutes ago, Karmadhi said:

Nor does he have some anti Jewish hatred.

Not saying he does but how would you know that?

[Karmadhi]

Just now, PurpleTree said:

Not saying he does but how would you know that?

Because he has often disagreed with me towards this conflict and I did not notice any antisemitism from him.

I know antisemitic people so I know what antisemitism looks like.

 

[Raze]

3 hours ago, Nivsch said:

You can do a research about Green morality of Israelis if you dare (; in other topics that aren't treaten them directly - veganism, equality, LGBTQ.

I promise you that if you do the research long enough you will find out that our society is 33.3% 🔵🍊 and 🍏 quite equally and you won't be able to find a color which is the dominant. If you are serious you will be able to rise above the myths and see this. Don't believe me, research yourself.

Except the constant conflict increases radicalism in Israeli society and causes left leaning and wealthier who tend to be at higher development to flee the country, so Israel’s development will decrease. 

By 2050 the majority of Israel will be solid blue Haredi and messianic Jews.

Edited October 6, 2024 by Raze

[Raze]

1 hour ago, Heaven said:

 It’s about survival for Israel. No other way can take place. 

No it isn’t.

Gaza is completely blockaded, they can’t do anything unless the fence is left unguarded. Yet Israel is engaging in plausible genocide according to the highest international legal body.

The West Bank population isn’t even doing anything yet Israel is expanding settlements and killing hundreds of them.

Hezbollah said they’d stop firing if Israel ceased bombarding Gaza, yet Israel is invading Lebanon.

Iran just damaged some buildings and said they will not engage in more attacks unless attacked and now Israel is announcing it will try attacking them again after constant assassinations potentially triggering a wider war.

None of this has anything to do with security.