Don vs Elon

[LSD-Rumi]

26 minutes ago, Bandman said:

Let hitler talk his nonsense; at least he makes some good roads and fashion.

That's the leftist hate train, get off ASAP.

[Danioover9000]

@Bandman

42 minutes ago, Bandman said:

Let hitler talk his nonsense; at least he makes some good roads and fashion.

   SO TRUE!

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

22 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with the interview was that Don was asking kinda shallow, useless  CNN style questions. Which is why I think Musk got annoyed.

I think Chat GPT could've done a better interview. Don couldn't bring the conversation beyond the wokeness of it all. He didn't even do a good job at that. Elonsaid a lot of things he could've been pressured on if Don had actually listened to what he was saying instead of constantly trying to bring the conversation back to his original problem. A good example was when he was talking about censorship and he brought up the point that some people might consider the banning of child porn as "censorship". Elon said:
 

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If something is illegal, we will obviously remove it. But if it's not illegal... 

He doesn't continue the sentence, but instead says that he will moderate the platform according to the will of the people which manifests as the law. I think Don could've put pressure on his conservative image and his libertarian views there. Is the only reason child pornography is banned on Twitter because of the law? Would he be okay with it if it was legal? Isn't he an "independent thinker"? Where are Elons morals and doesn't he care about the children and "family values"?

It was a good opportunity to attack him from a conservative pov. Lefties already understand the problem with Elon, you don't need to ask him about the promotion of hatred and violence. Instead you should focus on attacking him on the inconsistencies between his views and the people he sides with politically. Conservatives care about the protection of children a lot, attacking him on this front will be more powerful than attacking him on a front people already dislike him on.

Don was sneakily trying to get a "gotcha!" on Elon and didn't do a good job at that.

[Merkabah Star]

20 hours ago, Extreme Z7 said:

Moderation is a propaganda word for Censorship" is straightforward and genuine, but doesn't make it intelligent.
From what I've seen, people aren't responding to the interview with outrage but more laughing at Musk for humilliating himself.

I wasn’t a huge fan of Elon until he said that comment.. quote of the decade. 

I don’t think he humiliated himself at all. 

[Leo Gura]

33 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

I wasn’t a huge fan of Elon until he said that comment.. quote of the decade. 

I don’t think he humiliated himself at all. 

Except no online platform can exist without moderation, including his own platform, so that is BS logic.

It's like saying you want to run a government without laws because laws are repression. Okay, but that just means you don't understand what government is and you should not be running it.

The problem is that Musk does moderation to suit his own agenda.

YT has moderation and never in 10 years have I felt censored.

Every community needs rules for people to follow as a precondition for being part of that community. Even criminal gangs have rules.

Edited March 28 by Leo Gura

[Merkabah Star]

55 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Except no online platform can exist without moderation, including his own platform, so that is BS logic.

It's like saying you want to run a government without laws because laws are repression. Okay, but that just means you don't understand what government is and you should not be running it.

The problem is that Musk does moderation to suit his own agenda.

YT has moderation and never in 10 years have I felt censored.

Every community needs rules for people to follow as a precondition for being part of that community. Even criminal gangs have rules.

Musk also said to Don “If a post was illegal, “we’re going to take it down”,, adding that if it did not break the law, “we’re putting our thumb on the scale or being censors”. 

So yes there is moderation but the type of moderation a wet blanket like don lemon wants is extreme.

I'm not on X so i dont have personal experience with the platform. 

Edited March 28 by Merkabah Star

[Leo Gura]

51 minutes ago, Merkabah Star said:

Musk also said to Don “If a post was illegal, “we’re going to take it down”,, adding that if it did not break the law, “we’re putting our thumb on the scale or being censors”. 

Every community requires rules beyond what is strictly illegal.

You cannot dine at a restuarant barefoot.

For example: Kanye West was kicked off Twitter by Musk for posting a swastika. But swastikas are not illegal. Hence Musk is full of shit.

What Musk should be saying is: "We will do the bare minimum of moderation that we can get away with. That will be Twitter's philosophy."

That would be an acceptable and reasonable position for him to take. Musk is not framing his position properly, which leads to needless drama and outrage.

Edited March 28 by Leo Gura

[Merkabah Star]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Every community requires rules beyond what is strictly illegal.

You cannot dine at a restuarant barefoot.

For example: Kanye West was kicked off Twitter by Musk for posting a swastika. But swastikas are not illegal. Hence Musk is full of shit.

What Musk should be saying is: "We will do the bare minimum of moderation that we can get away with. That will be Twitter's philosophy."

That would be an acceptable and reasonable position for him to take. Musk is not framing his position properly, which leads to needless drama and outrage.

One of the only places i get food from is a very hip restaurant around the corner from me and she wants people to dine barefoot and in their PJs and she allows you to bring your dog in as well. 😀

Let’s take this place for instance, it’s a pretty long list of no nos before you join and i liked all of your rules, hence i joined. Yet once you are in its pretty relaxed in terms of moderation and said rules. And it works. 

Anyone being outraged about x and its moderation needs to get a life.

It was well publicised too about x banning sayings like from the river to the sea. Fair enough. It’s hard to please everyone. 

He doesn’t need to say that “we will do the bare minimum of moderation” , it’s obvious that’s the deal there. Don Lemon clearly agitated him, i thought he handled himself well considering. 

Edited March 28 by Merkabah Star

[Leo Gura]

The issue is that Musk lets his whims dictate the moderation of Twitter when it would be far better to have a consistent set of guidelines which is applied impartially by an independent panel of experts or judges. Musk should take himself out of the loop, but he's too egotistical to do that. He likes being the king of Twitter. But that's not good for the platform.

Edited March 28 by Leo Gura

[Merkabah Star]

Only a huge ego would buy twitter in the first place. 😀

 

[LSD-Rumi]

@Leo Gura I don't understand how Musk and conservatives view old Twitter as a censored platform, Twitter had very relaxed moderation. You needed to be a filthy asshole to be banned from Twitter.

Edited March 28 by LSD-Rumi

[josemar]

22 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@Leo Gura I don't understand how Musk and conservatives view old Twitter as a censored platform, Twitter had very relaxed moderation. You needed to be a filthy asshole to be banned from Twitter.

So you haven't followed "the Twitter files"?

[Leo Gura]

46 minutes ago, LSD-Rumi said:

You needed to be a filthy asshole to be banned from Twitter.

Haha

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Every community requires rules beyond what is strictly illegal.

You cannot dine at a restuarant barefoot.

For example: Kanye West was kicked off Twitter by Musk for posting a swastika. But swastikas are not illegal. Hence Musk is full of shit.

What Musk should be saying is: "We will do the bare minimum of moderation that we can get away with. That will be Twitter's philosophy."

That would be an acceptable and reasonable position for him to take. Musk is not framing his position properly, which leads to needless drama and outrage.

   I agree, especially when he proclaimed his position as a free speech absolutist he ultimately defeated himself in that interview. By saying that he sets himself for failure as any argumentation to justify free speech absolutism falls down quickly. How most people don't get that is bizarre.

[Danioover9000]

@Merkabah Star

7 hours ago, Merkabah Star said:

I wasn’t a huge fan of Elon until he said that comment.. quote of the decade. 

I don’t think he humiliated himself at all. 

   The main problem is that Elon Musk did humiliate himself in this interview, by claiming he's a free speech absolutist. How do you argue and defend the free speech absolutist position???

[hoodrow trillson]

I thought Don’s questions and calling out some of Elon’s hypocrisy was pretty solid?  It’s surface level type questions but all other reporters were scared to ask him things straight up.

Like, it’s way better than sitting there in a circlejerk interview like all his other interviews.  

On 3/28/2024 at 6:06 AM, josemar said:

So you haven't followed "the Twitter files"?

That was the biggest fucking nothing burger ever.  All that hype for nothing, except finding #StayWoke hoodies in a closet at Twitter’s HQ wow!!!  Lol

[Danioover9000]

@hoodrow trillson

1 hour ago, hoodrow trillson said:

I thought Don’s questions and calling out some of Elon’s hypocrisy was pretty solid?  It’s surface level type questions but all other reporters were scared to ask him things straight up.

Like, it’s way better than sitting there in a circlejerk interview like all his other interviews.  

That was the biggest fucking nothing burger ever.  All that hype for nothing, except finding #StayWoke hoodies in a closet at Twitter’s HQ wow!!!  Lol

   I do feel similarly that it was a decent yet biased interview, a little bit of trying to get a gotcha moment on Elon, but Don Lemon really should've nailed him on some points there. He had a good opportunity when Elon brought up legality, and Don bringing up those hate tropes and racist tweets, pinned him on the issue of time and how long tweets were there from when a user reported the post, to the process of moderation team reviewing the post, to deliberating, and finally the decision to take down the tweet or not, and grill him on why it took too long. He really should've nailed him on that CP examples of tweets, plus drug sourcing or suicidal types of tweets, as Elon Musk's bigger portion of viewers are right wing and conservative and this'll actually pressure Elon into a corner. Instead he hesitated and didn't pursue that more.

   This guy is just flat out wrong, appeals to logic, and cherry picking sequences that made Don look bad. Also appealing to logic yet shoe horning his biases and anti left wing views with the appearance of being logical and analytical. To know and spot these fallacies compare it with another video that is mostly opposite biased and opposite ideology:

 

 

   Each perspective and bias in these two videos, with their confirmation biases, cognitive dissonance, fallacies and appeals, and other developmental factors involved shows that the first video is clearly siding with Elon Musk while pretending to be an authority due to the logic and analysis bias. Even I as a body language analyst, also of tonality, verbal, discourse, and state analysis am careful when my own biases and ideology creeps in. These guys are mostly either unaware or know and being bad faith in their distortion of what is the truth.