Don vs Elon

[Bazooka Jesus]

Just a bit of good old-fashioned fun for the whole family.

[Danioover9000]

@Bazooka Jesus

1 hour ago, Bazooka Jesus said:

Just a bit of good old-fashioned fun for the whole family.

   Yeah Hasan's got some akes as well to this:

 

[Merkabah Star]

I dont blame Elon for not wanting that twit (pun intended) on his platform anymore.. what a bore. 🤡

[hoodrow trillson]

Elon looked awful in that interview.  Lemonhead had him stuttering like porky.  

[Tanz]

Its interesting to see peoples perspective on things depending on if they like Musk or Lemon.  Lemon's denial of his former bosses not favoring one party over the other was laughable.  

[Leo Gura]

The problem with the interview was that Don was asking kinda shallow, useless  CNN style questions. Which is why I think Musk got annoyed.

You have to understand that a serious creative like Musk want to talk about more substantive issue than to respond to his own Tweets. Lemon doesn't get that and nitpicks Musk on political correctness. Musk is not a politically correct guy. We all know that. There is no point asking him about that.

If would like if Don Lemon did a long interview with me but only asked me questions about stupid shit I posted on this forum over the years. Why would I be interested in such a pointless interview?

Yes, people inevitably post stupid shit if they are social media long enough. That's not an interesting discussion. Musk posts stupid shit. I post stupid shit. It happens.

Overall, Musk's answers were pretty straightforward and genuine. You don't have to agree with his politics to see where he's coming from. But people keep looking for outrage.

Edited March 27 by Leo Gura

[Merkabah Star]

Don Lemon wonders if Elon didn’t like him because he is black and gay. 

Geez. 🤡

 

[Merkabah Star]

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Don Lemon didn't just want a partnership with X, he wanted to run the show with a series of outlandish demands that he would control and censor news content and talent across the entire platform, DailyMail.com can reveal.

Last week Lemon, 58, was unceremoniously offloaded from talks for a partnership with the social media platform following a car-wreck interview with SpaceX founder Elon Musk, 52.

Now, DailyMail.com can reveal that the real reason Musk pulled the plug on the deal was his belief that Lemon, 'wants censorship so badly [he] can taste it.  

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'If you look through Don's asks they fluctuate between the luxurious, to the far-out, to censorship.

'Luxurious is you're asking for a splashy new car [the Tesla Cybertruck] and you're asking for a $5million up-front payment.

'Far-out is one of his demands was to be the first podcast in space.'

DailyMail.com has seen paperwork outlining Lemon's original demands. It confirms that, despite earlier denials from Lemon's representatives, those demands included a $5million advance, a $10million annual marketing commitment from X, to be the first podcast to broadcast from space and to be given a Tesla Cybertruck.

The source went on, 'Where it flips to censorship is Don wanted control and input on every creator that was coming to the platform.

'He wanted a voice into what type of news information would be on the platform.

'Separately he wanted to make decisions about the policies of the platform.'

The demands state that Lemon must be consulted by X 'when making decisions relating to News content on platform/any policy changes re: content;' that he receive 'percent of budget upon X's future spend on original content' and, breathtakingly, 'Don to approve any other news/current events talent deals/partnerships in the first year on X.'https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13216197/Elon-Musk-pulled-plug-partnership-Don-Lemon-censorship-demand.html

 

[Extreme Z7]

@Leo Gura I agree that Don was not hard enough on Musk, but I don't think you are either with your take on this interview. I'm pretty dissappointed.

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with the interview was that Don was asking kinda shallow, useless  CNN style questions. Which is why I think Musk got annoyed.

If would like if Don Lemon did a long interview with me but only asked me questions about stupid shit I posted on this forum over the years. Why would I be interested in such a pointless interview?

I don't know about that. I'm not sure about asking about: The Great Replacement Theory, Anti-Semitism, Free-Speech Absolutism, are "shallow questions". Last I checked, those are pretty serious issues. Especially when a very influential person appears to promote them.

From what I see it, Musk got annoyed the most everytime Don responds to (or sort of perhaps "fact-checks") Musk's justifications for his beliefs. He's free to have his beliefs and opinions and also share them, but he's not free to spread bullshit or misinformation without being debunked.

I'm sure Musk cares a lot about his company products and projects, but he didn't seem to get pissed off about the fact that he was asked questions not related to his career projects, he only started fidgeting when he was told directly to his face that he believes in things that are demostrably false.

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Yes, people inevitably post stupid shit if they are social media long enough. That's not an interesting discussion. Musk posts stupid shit. I post stupid shit. It happens.

Yes, all of us just casually agree with far-right posts and opinions every now and again. It happens.
Lord knows I've got my own fair share of retarded posts on the internet over the years but Jesus. . . there has to be point where things stop being "controversial" and start being worrying.

Don asks Musk directly why he doesn't want to take responsibility for the effects the big social media platform he owns has on society. Don points out that the site's content policy still states that hate speech is not allowed on the site. But Musk still likes to pretend that X should protect far-right posts and memes.

To give my take on this, Musk's defense on this issue is that these offensive posts gets less algorithmic engagement and viewership. What he doesn't understand is that the people most vulnerable to these toxic ideologies only need to come across these kinds of posts once or a few times in order for them to go down some kind of racidalization pipeline. And as long as this kind of content remains available on the platform, no amount of alogrithmic manipulation will prevent someone from actively searching more of this kinds of content.

( As an extra thing, I don't like the portrayal of Musk as just "politically incorrect", Ricky Gervais is politically incorrect, Dave Chappelle is politically incorrect, last I checked, neither of those two were spreading sympathies to far-right messaging.)

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Overall, Musk's answers were pretty straightforward and genuine. You don't have to agree with his politics to see where he's coming from. But people keep looking for outrage.

"Moderation is a propaganda word for Censorship" is straightforward and genuine, but doesn't make it intelligent.
From what I've seen, people aren't responding to the interview with outrage but more laughing at Musk for humilliating himself.

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In summary, I won't deny that Musk perhaps does the best of his ability to provide his own creative value to the world, but that doesn't mean you get a free pass to be a garbage human being promoting other garbage human beings.

Personally, I don't really care for Don Lemon, but this interview is probably the most biting and direct we can possibly get. Because Elon was pretty much caught off guard with this interview, thinking that he would get a centrist interview that would mostly focus on his company products and not directly respond to his sympathies to far-right beliefs.

Edited March 27 by Extreme Z7

[Leo Gura]

We are well aware of Musk's posts and political leanings by now.

I don't see any point in grilling him on it.

Don Lemon came off like an SJW demanding Musk to account for this thought-crimes. It feels so tired.

Yes, Musk has some bad political takes.

If you look at how Lex Fridman interviews guests, he doesn't try to grill them with SJW political questions. And it results in more meaningful answers. Don Lemon was just repeating his CNN show on Twitter.

Edited March 27 by Leo Gura

[LSD-Rumi]

@Leo Gura 

"Elon Musk expected the interview with Don Lemon to focus on topics other than what transpired during the actual conversation. Musk anticipated the interview to revolve around relaxation, video games, tweeting, drug use, the New Tesla Roadster, and news on X."

Perplexity 

That would have been a much better interview. He should have made a deal with Joe Regan instead .

[Bandman]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

We are well aware of Musk's posts and political leanings by now.

I don't see any point in grilling him on it.

Don Lemon came off like an SJW demanding Musk to account for this thought-crimes. It feels so tired.

Yes, Musk has some bad political takes.

If you look at how Lex Fridman interviews guests, he doesn't try to grill them with SJW political questions. And it results in more meaningful answers. Don Lemon was just repeating his CNN show on Twitter.

Musk's rhetoric has worsened over the last year, hes deep into far right conspiracies now

So I think he should be exposed far and wide now, considering he turned twitter into a nazi amusement park, the masses dont know how fucked he is

If anything Lemon should have went harder

There are conservatives with more and less integrity and Musks integrity tanked to the absolute bottom

 

[Bandman]

Lex Fridman leaves too much wiggle room for slippery eels like Musk

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:

Musk anticipated the interview to revolve around tweeting, drug use

That's what we got.

[LSD-Rumi]

@Bandman I don't know, it's just getting tiresome. Feels like the lefties are more into tearing him down rather than criticizing him, It is easy to get on the leftist hate train.

Let the guy tweet his nonsense; there's no shortage of it anyway, at least he makes some good stuff.

Edited March 27 by LSD-Rumi

[Danioover9000]

@Bandman

1 hour ago, Bandman said:

Lex Fridman leaves too much wiggle room for slippery eels like Musk

   True because he looks up to Elon Musk, it's an ad hominem but the reverse as he puts Elon Musk, and Joe Rogan on this pedestal above him.

[Danioover9000]

@Leo Gura

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem with the interview was that Don was asking kinda shallow, useless  CNN style questions. Which is why I think Musk got annoyed.

You have to understand that a serious creative like Musk want to talk about more substantive issue than to respond to his own Tweets. Lemon doesn't get that and nitpicks Musk on political correctness. Musk is not a politically correct guy. We all know that. There is no point asking him about that.

If would like if Don Lemon did a long interview with me but only asked me questions about stupid shit I posted on this forum over the years. Why would I be interested in such a pointless interview?

Yes, people inevitably post stupid shit if they are social media long enough. That's not an interesting discussion. Musk posts stupid shit. I post stupid shit. It happens.

Overall, Musk's answers were pretty straightforward and genuine. You don't have to agree with his politics to see where he's coming from. But people keep looking for outrage.

   The main problem with this interview, with some moments of arguments, is when Elon Musk proclaims he's a free speech absolutist, so any argument Elon makes against Don Lemon is nullified because by definition a free speech absolutist is for anarchist levels of free speech and very loose to no moderation and policy in a website, therefore it's a deeply contradictory position Elon places himself on.

   I also agree that Don Lemon's CNN habit came back here with repeats of 'so you're saying'😂 but I won't overlook his argumentation is actually stronger than Elon Musks. For instance when Don Lemon asks Elon about those tweets containing hateful tropes or racist stereotypes, why are they still up there or why is it taking so long ever since those tweets were reported. Now here I think Don should've been more specific and to the point with this type, but Don overextended and introduced CP and legal/illegal category, which in an argument is category error to talk about legal/illegal tweets and posts. Don Lemon should have kept within the legal category, within Twitter's policy, and grill Elon on why it's taken much longer to remove certain posts. Don Lemon, when he does make a strong argument point like this can, if he wants to be more aggressive, bring up examples of illegal posts that contains drug sourcing, violent gore, porn, CP, terrorists killing people and so on that's illegal to a government, and go 'if it's taking you so long within your moderation team to take down a hateful trope/racist stereotyping post, then it'll take similarly as long for your team to remove an illegal post, so why should you as a free speech absolutist must do to hasten removal of offensive tweets?'.

   I do also agree that Don Lemon's interview style needs improving, but when it came to arguing he's fine with some improvements needed.

[Danioover9000]

   This is a good analysis of that interview:

 

[Danioover9000]

   Here's the real truth nobody will argue against me on: Elon Musk is a man-child narcissistic billionaire right wing troll, that happens to be in the autistic spectrum, and hardwired for engineering, and phobic too, who also contradicts himself as a free speech absolutist. Imagine me making this proclamation on Twitter itself how long do you think my tweet will remain there?

   TRUTH for me and not for THEE.

[Bandman]

1 hour ago, LSD-Rumi said:

@Bandman I don't know, it's just getting tiresome. Feels like the lefties are more into tearing him down rather than criticizing him, It is easy to get on the leftist hate train.

Let the guy tweet his nonsense; there's no shortage of it anyway, at least he makes some good stuff.

Let hitler talk his nonsense; at least he makes some good roads and fashion.