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Yes. Becoming the infinite boundless Bubble is the first step (Godself). Its like extending the Ego (although very empty/murky at this point already) to infinity. Already nondual and quite awakened, but not truly IT, since its not impersonal and truly Pure Empty Infinite Consciousness. And that is why its not stable. Separate Self/Ego still clouding the True Impersonal Pure Being/Reality. Ripening in that state over a long time (hundreds of hours normally), then sudden Enlightenment/waking up can happen. Truly becoming the Infinite, True No Self = Infinite. And that infinite Reality always already WAS behind everything. Deep Identity Level Shift. Accessible later on sobre. Taking the wrong exit with the radioactive skull: Blowing up the God-Ego even more.... End of progress. Roger Thisdell has to excellent videos on that: One step more in the right direction: And game over:

remember that mega thread about peter ralston, the jist was only the awakened know love all other love is manipulation possession gratification ostentation etc.

if i awaken i help me and in this there is nothing i can do for you, my words and or my methods will be nothing to you if i understand i can help you, i don't need to help me since i understand the twist is if i help you to awaken in this way, i bring myself to greater awakening to bring the other to awakening is the only love in particular only the awakened are capable of love love is to resurrect your parts the part is what is awakened the whole is what is enlightened

It's not so simple. Because someone awakened further than everyone here will not be recognized at first, coz there's no one else yet! So they're likely going to become a target and shot down more than anything, for having disagreements. If I tell you right now I am more awake than everyone here, I have just made myself a target for banning and/or attack from people here. See what I mean? All I'm saying is it's not a free for all place for teaching awakening. And so how then are you going to find those teacher(s)? That's a serious question for someone serious about this work.

There's some seriousness here in this dry humor. I think you really believe Awakened people live or should live a hermit lifestyle. It's called balance. Your desires are God's desires. Fun can also entail doing Spiritual practices or walking in nature and listening to music you like or having meaningful conversations with your beloved partner or creating a healthy meal from scratch. So many ways to have fun other than listening to loud music, drinking, or having someone stick their tongue down your throat, unless it's Leo's, of course, who wouldn't want the remnants of a 5MeoDmt's tongue laced with magic mushroom soup and LSD on top. I'd be hallucinating all night. ❤️

I think sometimes some of us might sound like we’re parroting Leo. Some may well be. But there are also some that have genuinely experienced and awakened to many similar aspects of God or whatever you choose to call it, so many of the explanations people use to express themselves about these things can also sound very similar, it’s not necessarily parroting. Because after all, it is the same damn thing in many cases that Leo has spoke about in the past, people can be trying to talk about. Maybe he’s further along and gone deeper, so when these realisations and awakenings fall upon another, it can seem like copycat type behaviour. But I can assure you that many times this won’t be the case. It’s similar when someone calls him out about a particular aspect and says hey what you’re saying is nothing new, such and such said this donkey’s years ago blah blah blah. That doesn’t mean he’s parroting anybody. You can only speak from the state you’re at, or about states you’ve reached. Anything else is speculation. To say this or that ‘is the case’ without having directly experienced would suggest parroting I agree. But don’t be so convinced everyone around here is like that

Michael Beckwith's church is like a church but Spiritual. It's in California and streams his Sunday services live on YT on Sundays. It's a Spiritual Church and not a Religious one. He gets interviewed a lot on YT and speaks from an Awakened State. He's the real deal as far as a Spiritual Church gets. I don't go to Church, but if I lived in California I'd go to his.

Ok, I have learnt my lesson here. My post clearly shows how generalising something and being open about it with less words is not good. Let me tell my understanding about the spiritual ego ( I mentioned just ego because I assumed most people here claim being awakened and so mostly spiritual ego will be involved) and how stepping on it will be beneficial, according to me: Spiritual ego: You have discovered something new based on your experience or understanding and you try to establish it as ultimate truth, denying everything else as false. You feel superior as a result of it. So, there are two ways to deal with such ego of others: 1. The flower way: You try to deny them with kind words and try to establish your points step by step, hoping they will understand your points as well. This will work for people with an open mind, but doesn't work for those with a strong ego. 2. The lion way: You strongly oppose their points, by giving them a slap in their face, with the hope that they might realise that their points are not the only right ones. This doesn't mean you should attack them personally or use similar tactics. It simply means to prove their points wrong with strong valid points, but not worrying about whether they will be hurt in the process, hoping that it will be good for them in the long term. I was talking about the second way here.

Enlightenment? Or are you basically the same as any other person? Or is it a guarantee you will become enlightened? As of today my kundalini is in full swing & "I" am much camler then prior kundalini, like my feelings of calmness are very calm & my feelings of anxiety are very high, it's like both sides got heightened intensely. Prior to doing sds sits (that's how my kundalini awoke to begin with) I only heard of kundalini once through adyashanti but shook it off, once you open this up they say there is no going back. (The only thing I knew about was enlightenment) so when a beam of energy came shooting out of the top of my head (crown chakra) (found this out after?) I thought I was enlightened? So I stood up! (It didn't stick though lol) I didn't realize some people go through this stage prior to enlightenment???‍♂️ Some people shake it off as (only energy) unless you've felt this "only energy" please don't snub it, you don't control it or if you can I don't know how. Most people say just let it do what it wants, the energy is smarter then you are & if you fight it that's when most people have problems, just let it do its thing. ive read enlightenment through the path of kundalini but it still didn't answer all my questions. go ahead People enlighten me..? @Hellspeed @Leo Gura

If you help with the desire to not be given a reward, yes....that is when you tap into your divine power. Your self love for yourself is grown in two ways, through maximum effort, and selfless service. Why is this important? If you are on the path of Awakening, what will give you the strength to surrender to truth will be the self-love you cultivated through selfless service and and maximum effort. To give maximum effort is to be true to the task at hand, to surrender your entire self to the task at hand, and self-less service is to do so without a guarantee of a reward. These elements will give you the ability to become awakened permanently baseline. Consistency, Integrity, Maximum Effort, Lack of Judgment. Now the two parameters most people struggle with is integrity and lack of judgment. Many people are consistent in what they do, and some even give maximum effort but they lack integrity in some part of their character and also they judge. In fact these two barriers alone will take a miracle for majority of human kind to resolve. The tip I can give you to solve this goes against everything you have ever been told. Willingly do what Jesus said when he stated "If someone slaps you turn the other cheek and if someone sues you for your cloak give him your coat also." If you can allow someone to take advantage of you and not resist, and leave their prescience with no hatred or animosity....you are literally right there....all you would need is to be someone whose integrity can never be bought and truthfully someone who can do what I said above...would have an integrity that cannot be bought. It is stated you will be rewarded in secret and this is true....the secret is you will eventually realize you are God....just like Jesus did. How do I know? Because it worked for me that's how. The story of Jesus is the direct path to God-Realization. Emulate Jesus and you will get there. It took me 35 years though, and it took Jesus 32 I believe when he started his ministry.

Should I just be concentrating on self inquiry & mantra mediation, whats the next step towards enlightenment? & please guys no why can't you just be enlightened right now stuff ?

The one thing I've learned is my assumptions and things I assumed to be true about "world events" sometimes end up being totally false, and that my own assumptions and interpretations are subjective. I think I know a lot about things but really don't. I just enjoy philosophy as an interest, along with geopolitics, science, and economics. However, it should not be used to strengthen the "pain body" within or to create a big spiritual ego that thinks it's better than everyone else. What an illusion and trap that would be. I'm into deep, esoteric material because the normal conversation by normal people... sitting around a table telling stories and gossiping about those in their social circle, holds little to no interest for me, even though I know it would be good for me in moderation. I don't see spiritual seekers or conspiracy theorists as "more awakened" than the "sheep" anymore however. It's just different people with different perspectives. We all share the same common trait of having to incarnate into what in my opinion is a difficult species going through growing pains at the moment, our genetic makeup not having caught up with our technology and cultural advancement. Someone said Leo's video content is better than these forum posts. I definitely agree with that. A lot of neurotic, depressed people from both ends of the political spectrum tend to gather here and do a lot of "blaming" of external circumstances for their lack of peace of mind, whether it's left wingers or right wingers or whatever narrative they decide to believe or whatever group they decide to blame when the real problem is a human nature problem, that's if you decide there even is a "problem." I'm working on this one myself. It's a problem of garbage inputs leading to garbage outputs.

I had the same type of guy come up to me when I was out buying some new pants a few weeks ago. He showed me these small pamplets about spirituality and talked about needing money to finance travelling to India. When I gave him the "I'm just a poor student" routine, he said "just out of the kindness of your heart, you know, for good karma; what goes around comes around". I denied and he left, and I thought the same thing as you: "what if he cursed me and my future is fucked?". After all, the guy seemed pretty fluid. What if he was actually awakened and has some kind of spiritual abilities? What if he knew that I was into spirituality because he is just that awake and knew that I would get tripped up when he mentioned good and bad karma? Then I also thought "what kind of supposedly spiritual person goes around guilt tripping people to give them money?". I also think he lied straight out when he said he was a psychology professor as a response to me studying psychology, but I wasn't quick enough to ask him which university and what field, which could've maybe tripped him up. Other than that, he seemed passionate and genuine, but the professor thing made me thing that he could just be a super charismatic conman. I'll never know, but he surely tripped me up a bit.

. I just love your posts. Full Enlightenment IS realizing the always here Truth, or ones own true infinite Being. What ones True Self and that of Reality IS. That (Full Enlightenment) happens in an awakened state, in which every form/arising/i-feeling/i-thought and every appearance of the "outer" world is directly and literally realized as mere appearance, happening in the Infinite Pure Impersonal boundless Being that Reality/You truly is. Which is the always here Reality. So not a state but Absolute Reality/God/True Nature. Afterwards its accessible and always right here, since the illusion filters have all been transcended, and "hard" boundless timeless and very empty nondual states ("or awakened states) have replaced the previous normal life with my center here/outer world/others there (duality), and the world appearing solid/external "out there". Replaced with groundless mere appearance ("clear light" in Dzogchen) arising in nondual way in infinite nondual being. And some quite amazing celestial/divine perception on how all of that if manifested from Pure Silent Infinite Consciouness to subtle realities (Awakenings/facets n+1) to gross material world and so on can develop afterwards. But for that, others are way more progressed than I am. See Harri Aalto for example. But all of that is form/manifestation. Not the essence of Absolute Reality/true You, but appearance arising in it, as IT.

Before Leo made some kind of conceptual solipsistic "Spiritainment" (not my word-creation, no credits taken) out of transcendental Truths & Absolute Truth on Youtube, certain highest "Pointing Out Instructions" on the (Absolute) Nature of Reality were only given personally and directly to eligible students who were far enough advanced concerning generating & maintaining Awakened Nondual States (meditation&practice anybody?). Because these advanced students then could understand FROM these awakened states the Pointing Out Instructions, and integrate them. In a NONCONCEPTUAL enlightened WAY, and not with conceptual solipsism madness. Doing that conceptually via Youtube-Videos apparently is a bit too much for some of the audience that the youtube-algorithm-dragnets tend to carry towards the Actualized Youtube Channel. But well, the cat is now out of the bag. It would have happened anyway in this form or another. Now it is more a question on how the author of these videos is going to further jeopardize his own Karma this life & next ones (and that of others) with denying the sane path out of that conceptual solipsistic quagmire (Enlightenment, or at least aspiring to it, including Compassion/Love/Boddhichitta or in genereal healthy relative integration of these more absolute insights), and continues to lead people more into the dark path of psychedelic Awakening n+1, neverending Infinity and abyss & less than healthy and unintegrated consequences for the aficionados. Then both Leo and his fellowship will end up with even more hatred on humanity (in general, and on their own humanity). Like an autoimmune allergy, attacking with hatred elements (humanity) of its own true body, the universe. Like a what? Yes, exactly. Anything clicking? Two forces in the Kosmos: One of delusion, and one of growth/evolution/waking up/Eros. And if Spirit decides its enough with all of that, I don't want to be in Leos shoes. And if the other Gentlemen with style keeps the upper hand, well, also no happy ending at some point in the future. Yes, I know, Katie would have gotten her Psychosis maybe anyway. But maybe not. In any way, these kind of teachings were for sure not helpful for her. And now poor mythic Jesus has to drag her out of the quagmire. Well, I guess we wish both Jesus & Katie all the best in their endevours, and a as sane as possible journey on the relative levels of reality back towards a stable relative life and freedom from psychosis. Katie, the love, energy and being that was/is Jesus will for sure respond on a relative level to you, as it did in countless other cases before. Bon voyage! Water by the River

If someone takes a vow from an awakened being to follow the 10 Buddhist precepts, what’s special about this?

@CoolDreamThanks I agree with your statement. An awakened being cannot do the work for you. It is my dream! An awakened being can only provide the tools ⚒️ everyone’s maze is unique, your solution might be completely different from another persons. regarding “ grace “ you hear stories of what highly awakened beings can do. Jesus is an extreme example, someone living in the materialist paradigm might refer to these activities as Supernatural. Take 5Meo DMT and those miracles might sound completely natural

Thanks for the clarification. Truth is all states, but some states keep you asleep from truth or awaken to it. But you’ve even said that the traditional Buddhist meditation awakening to no-self is only one type of awakening and God-Realization is a greater level of awakening. So, who is to say that you won’t awaken to something even higher and even higher that contradicts your previous awakenings? The deeper you go, the more you awaken to. You’ve awakened to Absolute Solipsism but then you had a new awakening to Infinity of Gods that contradicts it. If you just stopped the work at Absolute Solipsism, your mind would deceive you into thinking you have found the Whole Truth, when in reality, you will always have more things to awaken to since reality is infinite. Or maybe it is that you have awakened to the Whole Truth but your perspectives to that are changing with each awakening?

@CoolDreamThanks Do you believe there is any validity in being a Bodhisattva? They say one cannot reach the highest levels of awakening without the grace of an awakened being.

I think that a good advice. Never in my life did I see an awakened and hot girl at the same time

You can have insights that negate other insights you’ve had. Awakening isn’t separate from this. I am making the assumption that there is no such thing as a complete awakening even though I cannot prove that. From this assumption, you can realize that since any awakening insight you have is incomplete, a higher insight will recontextualize other awakenings you’ve had. Some insights may lead you to realize that you have had false insights. I think it is possible to be 100% convinced that you have awakened when you really haven’t.

I am asking you because of your questions. If dreaming is a self-deception, then that would mean that any knowledge in the dream is part of the dream. Even a lucid dream is still part of the dream/deception. All knowledge and things post is part of “the self-deception.” Even you thinking you are awake is a self-deception. You are still dreaming. I am open to the possibility of awakening, but it just seems like it doesn’t exist. According to Leo, nobody on this forum is awake because according to him, he has reach levels of consciousness that nobody else has. Even though, it is possible that other people have had awakenings, when compared to who has reached the highest levels, everyone else’s awakening is mild. Think about this. Let’s say your awakening is at lvl 100 and an alien you meet is at lvl 5000. I think this is why Leo says nobody is awake because he claims he is at that alien level of awareness and nobody else has. The alien makes you look like you haven’t awakened to shit. I hope you can see what I mean here.

But how do you distinguish awakening from regular insight? What is the difference? How do you know whether you actually awakened or had a false insight? I entertain the idea that there could always be a higher level of consciousness that could make me doubt any profound insight I have had. The reason why I say that is because I remember you claiming that complete understanding of reality or omniscience is possible. If that is so, then wouldn’t awakening have to be final; otherwise, your understanding wasn’t complete and you aren’t omniscient. But by Godel’s logic, you cannot ever reach the end. It’s a self- deception to think there is a final awakening.

Why you asking me? Lol I am already awakened. You are the one denying awakening lol. Why isn't a dream real? What is real?

This days most mature post award is clearly taken. In real life, it works more like this: Ken Wilber, One Taste: "Monday, March 24. With the awakening of constant consciousness, you becomesomething of a divine schizophrenic, in the popular sense of “split-minded,” because you have access to both the Witnessand the ego. You are actually “whole-minded,” but it sounds like it’s split, because you are aware of the constant Witness or Spirit in you, and you are also perfectly aware of themovie of life, the ego and all its ups and downs. So you still feel pain and suffering and sorrow, but they can no longer convince you of their importance—you are no longer the victim of life, but its Witness. In fact, because you are no longer afraid of your feelings,you can engage them with much greater intensity. The movie of life becomes more vivid and vibrant, precisely because you are no longer grasping or avoiding it, and thus no longer trying to dull or dilute it. You no longer turn the volume down. You might even cry harder, laugh louder, jump higher. Choiceless awareness doesn’t mean you cease to feel; it means you feel fully, feel deeply, feel to infinity itself, and laugh and cry and love until it hurts. Life jumps right off the screen, and you are one with all of it, because you don’t recoil. If you are having a dream, and you think it’s real, it can get very scary. Say you are dreaming that you are tightropewalking across Niagara Falls. If you fall off, you plunge to your death. So you are walking very slowly, very carefully.Then suppose you start lucid dreaming, and you realize that it’s just a dream. What do you do? Become more cautious and careful? No, you start jumping up and down on the tightrope, you do flips, you bounce around, you have a ball—precisely because you know it isn’t real. When you realize it’s a dream, you can afford to play. The same thing happens when you realize that ordinary life is just a dream, just a movie, just a play. You don’t become more cautious, more timid, more reserved. You start jumping up and down and doing flips, precisely because it’sall a dream, it’s all pure Emptiness. You don’t feel less, you feel more—because you can afford to. You are no longer afraid of dying, and therefore you are not afraid of living.You become radical and wild, intense and vivid, shocking and silly. You let it all come pouring through, because it’s all your dream. Life then assumes its true intensity, its vivid luminosity, itsradical effervescence. Pain is more painful and happiness is happier; joy is more joyous and sorrow is even sadder. It all comes radiantly alive to the mirror-mind, the mind that doesn’t grasp or avoid, but simply witnesses the play, and therefore can afford to play, even as it watches. What would motivate you if you saw everything as the dream of your own highest Self? What would actually move you in this playful dream world? Everything in the dream is basically fun, at some deep level, except for this: when you see your friends suffering because they think the dream is real, you want to relieve their suffering, you want them to wake up, too. Watching them suffer is not fun. And so a deep and powerful compassion arises in the heart of the awakened ones, and they seek, above all else, to awaken others—and thus relieve them from the sorrow and the pity,the torment and the pain, the terror and the anguish that comes from taking with dreadful seriousness the passing dream of life. So you are a divine schizophrenic, you are “split-minded” in the sense that you are simultaneously in touch with both the pure Witness and the world of the ego-film. But that really means you are actually “whole-minded,” because these two worlds are really not-two. The ego is just the dream of the Witness, the film that the Witness creates out of its own infinite plenitude, simply so it will have something to watch at the movies. At that point the entire play arises within your own constant consciousness. There is no inside and no outside, no in here versus out there. The nondual universe of One Taste arises as a spontaneous gesture of your own true nature. You can taste the sun and swallow the moon, and centuries fit in the palm of your hand. The pure I-I, the greatI AMness, breathes to infinity and creates a Kosmos as the Song of its very Self, and oceans of compassion fall as tears from your very own Original Face.