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  4. Posted · Edited by Carl-Richard

    It's not a yellow podcast per se, but I still really recommend watching the Rajj Royale Podcast on Twitch (https://www.twitch.tv/rajjpatel) if you want to see the whole spiral in action (atleast tier 1). It's a very free-form debate, starting with around 6-8 guests. People get eliminated as time goes, and it tends to get very heated (which is just fun really). Often comedic guests and topics, but they also invite political guests: everything from liberals, conversatives, communists, alt-righters, gender-fluid people, transgender people etc.. The most yellow person you should expect to see on there would be Destiny, although you shouldn't really expect seeing anything above green there.

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    6 hours ago, w4read said:

    @andyjohnsonman I think thats pretty much the limit for me. I can be open to ufos, aliens, flying spons and forks and all that, but spiral dynamics being wrong? That's pretty much impossible at this point lol

    It's not so much that Spiral Dynamics is wrong or right. It's about how useful it is. If you find the model useful or if you don't find it useful, I don't see the problem either way.

  8. Posted · Edited by Carl-Richard

    @UnconsciousHuman I have read that tread and I'm already familiar with the concept of lines. You could say the reason for my questioning is that I don't see the reason for creating an additional model in a separate thread for this particular concept. Imo it's more fitting to be added as a line in the thread you linked.

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    @Consept No individual, group or movement is summarized by one SD stage. It's all a mixed bag. I would say SJWs are more red/blue than say hippies. It's OK to say that these values can be expressed through concepts like communication and intent, but I ultimately see no additional descriptive capability of this model. It's good to have nuances and different concepts, but it doesn't require excessive modeling.

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    18 minutes ago, UnconsciousHuman said:

    @Carl-Richard

    However when a stage GREEN is communicating with someone who threatens their world view (a homophobe for example), they will have RED/ONE intentions of communication, and therefore seek to bully, harras, and belittle the opposing side. 

    I'm assuming that you're modeling this description after what I call the SJW phenomena, which I believe to be a green movement with a radical blue/red edge. I would say that these people aren't just communicating using blue/red, but they ARE infact blue/red in many aspects, which is quite funny as it seems to contradict many of their green values (which what people like Steven Crowder and the red-pill community are capitalizing on). 

    My problem can essentially be summed up like this: 
    In pratice, how would you be able to distinguish the 'intention of communication' from the actual values? How do you know when someone is expressing themselves in a red fashion vs. when someone is merely showing their red values? The way I see it, communication is just one of the ways the values are expressed. If those values aren't present within the individual or group, the values wouldn't be expressed, and they would not be a part of the conversation.

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    Just now, UnconsciousHuman said:

    @Carl-Richard Again dude. They will use logic, rationality, and science to explain their concepts but what is the intention of communication? Is it to prove the other side wrong? Is it to connect? Is it to improve your own and other's understanding? 

    I have renamed the STAGES so that people don't make this confusion. 

    I'll put it in another way: if you ask a SD stage orange person what they want to achieve in a conversation (their intention of communication), they will most often give you the description of the yellow stage in your model. Idk, I just feel that the intention of communication is a direct reflection of the values of the person anyway: what you want to achieve in a conversation is very often congruent with what you want to achieve in life, instead it's just put into language and shared with others. Still, I like your idea :)

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    @louhad I think the reason you can't map ancient mystics onto yellow/turquoise is because these stages are directly tied to green being established in the world, not just in the individual. Yellow has to be able to look at green's manifestation outside himself in order to see the full spiral in action and his own place within it.