Echoes

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    9 hours ago, Truth Addict said:

    Yeah. Don't act realised while you're still not.

    Oh wow. Are you the wokeness police around here? lol

    10 hours ago, Inliytened1 said:

    Once you wake up you will understand.  Right now to you Love is still a concept.  Absolute Love is something different.

    What would reality be if it wasn't Love? It would be dumb and dry.  Remember that you / God are Infinitely intelligent.   When you are infinitely intelligent you need to go beyond understanding - you need to feel and be what you are in order to fully know it.  That is Love.  Think about what a universe would be if it wasn't Infinite Love and Infinite Intelligence?  It simply couldn't be.  If it was a dumb, feelingless clockwork universe then guess what? We would be looking for its source - as scientists are still doing today.

    My point is that whatever reality is, it is that thing. That thing isn't a word for sure. 

    I'm not trying to dismiss love here or saying that the universe is dumb.

    But there is no need imo  to call war or murder love. It's just war and murder. To call it reality or just something that happens feels more true than to call it love.

    Imagine if all of reality would be water in all directions and dimensions. Would you say that war and murder is wet in this case? "It's all wet!". But it doesn't matter because there is no other substance anyway, so wet compared to what? It's not wet, it's just what is. If you can't compare love with anything, it's just reality.

     

  5. Posted

    @Leo Gura I don't know what love is anymore to be honest. In the past I understood it to be something positive, just like most other humans probably. A satisfying, affectionate and exciting feeling. Seems what's positive is only in relation to what I think I want. The dictionary mostly defines the word "Love" in these terms.

    But if you include everything as being Love, these definitions and understandings of this word do not make sense anymore.

    My questions: Why even use the word "Love" for describing existence? It seems misleading and confusing to the conventional understanding of the word. And ultimately reality is no word. Similar problem with the word "God".

    Reality is Reality. Reality is not love. A tumor is a tumor. A tumor is not love. 

    Everything is just itself, why ascribe some ultimate goodness to it? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that things like disease, torture, rape just are reality/life instead of using this vague word?

     

  12. Posted

    nice one.

    You might like the book "Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility"

    A few quotes from the book:

    “The issue here is not whether self-veiling can be avoided, or even should be avoided. Indeed, no finite play is possible without it. The issue is whether we are ever willing to drop the veil and openly acknowledge, if only to ourselves, that we have freely chosen to face the world through a mask.” 

    “Some self-veiling is present in all finite games. Players must intentionally forget the inherently voluntary nature of their play, else all competitive effort will desert them.”

    “[...]Therefore, poets do not 'fit' into society, not because a place is denied them but because they do not take their 'places' seriously. They openly see its roles as theatrical, its styles as poses, its clothing costumes, its rules conventional, its crises arranged, its conflicts performed and its metaphysics ideological.” 

    “A culture can be no stronger than its strongest myths.” 
     

  13. Posted · Edited by Echoes

    Caring because you think you have to or otherwise you think you are: arrogant, guilty, egotistical, narcissistic, a bad person => Is not real "caring" because it's based on a feeling of obligation. That's just you faking something and feeling resentful for feeling obliged to be a fake. Caring as obligation and pressure feels like hell.

    Caring because you see that everybody is just slowly going to die, lose everything and everybody they love feels like healthy "caring" for me because it's based on compassion. Go to a mall or some crowded place and see that they are all dying, and that they are all aware of it on some level and are deeply terrified of that. Caring as intimate feeling of compassion feels like love.

    Why would you want to be in that "asshole-not-caring" state if you deeply see that everybody already has it hard enough behind the social fake facade

  15. Posted · Edited by Echoes

    @Preetom 'Liberation' might be a more accurate concept. But if liberation really is possible it can only be from the desire of wanting to be alive. As long as the desire to survive is active the fear of death must be active also.

    Only if I don't care anymore about cancer, aids, alzheimers, losing arms/legs, becoming blind/deaf, homelessness, losing everything, old age - can I be liberated. Then I don't need the term "enlightenment" anymore, I just need to acknowledge that all of this can literally happen and there is no escape. 

  17. Posted

    3 minutes ago, Preetom said:

    Following that same logic, you already have a potential 'six packs' in your abs. But still, your trainer will charge you for the instruction.

    If a teacher truly is genuine and can seal the deal for you, then I don't see the problem of charging money.

    Everyone is NOT the Truth. Not until they see it for themselves. Until they see it, that's just another belief to be discarded in the trash.

    The truth must always be the case or it's not the truth. You can't escape the truth. Even pretending to not know it and having to find it is the truth. And yes, even paying for something that you already are is the truth. So in the absolute sense there is no problem with that. 

     

  18. Posted · Edited by Echoes

    @Preetomthe ego taking it seriously can never be a good thing. Thats the classic maharshi metaphor: "a thief will dress as a policeman and convince you to help catch the thief!"

    Anyway, I just wanted to say with that statement that finding "the absolute truth of life" will not free anyone from the struggles and brutality of survival, since the ones who claim to have it are so obviously still in need for your money.

  23. Posted

    If you make "Happiness/Satisfaction/Peace" your direct priority without making it dependend to conditions such as life purpose/girls/contribution, the only thing left is the game of dying as late as possible (If you want to live) 

    The only question is if conditionless happiness is reallly possible in this reality. Homelessness is no joke, working at a shitty job is no joke. That's why guys like Rupert Spira/Shunyamurti/Matt Kahn/Fred Davis and so on still keep selling "the truth" for money.

  24. Posted · Edited by Echoes

    @Sven I was not suggesting that, but I don't think it's necessarily stupid either. I was just trying to figure out the weird puzzle of being in a specific relative situation that I did not chose to be in, yet having to act because of a primal desire that too I did not chose to have.

    I think there is still a resistance in me to embrace life fully. And the resistance has taken the form of having to know everything to "be ready". The strangeness of life is paralyzing for me sometimes.