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Have you experienced what you're saying or just philosophising? Because the latter won't get you far unfortunately. Speaking from experience.

If you've glimpsed the absolute it's pretty fucking hard to ignore assuming it wasn't just a millisecond glimpse. Then again, the ego is tenacious.

@Leo Gura Where does self-actualization play in all this? Or do you see them as both codependent?

I like Frank Yang's description of it being like dying and having sex with the entire universe at the same time.

@Leo Gura Fair enough, best of luck to you. Agreed, LSD was deeply therapeutic for me. Also had a similar experience of living life through other's perspective, I don't think it's possible to experience a deeper degree of empathy than that. Powerful

That I can accept but what I can't is simply going back to your regular state and not being able to attain/embody a nondual state on the natch at all that a lot of teachers have; even if it's not on a 5-meo level. I guess what I'm talking about here is more just human development as a whole, that to rely on peak experiences for understanding in the long term doesn't seam feasible, and that there is something of genuine value to experiencing the absolute in this moment. I am correct in saying enlightenment itself isn't an experience but the source of all experience? Maybe this is the point in time where the meditative and psychonaut path start to diverge.

@Leo Gura @27:20 this guy comments on how his experience compares to his meditative states, claiming to have gone even deeper (but still acknowledging such abilities wouldn't have been possible without such previous experience). Do you think this guy is just really talented or completely full of shit? Does 5meo allow one to go "back" without said substance? Or should we just continue shoving drugs up our ass for the rest of our lives LOL! There's something about it that seems unintegrated.

What schools do you think had it best figured out? Advaita?

@andyjohnsonman I can see where you're coming from, for me right now it's ultimately both, since questioning alone can leave you stuck in the intellectual mind and as a result not go very far, but with stillness alone it could very well end up an aimless pursuit. Combining the two focuses the mind whilst allowing one to break into an actual experiential insight as opposed to just some waffly interesting ideas.

God yes. Look at the people who engage in these internet wars to cancel those they disagree with. These aren't healthy people at all, they're deeply insecure. All political correctness is a manifestation of low self-esteem. Simple as that. Loved what he said at 12 minute mark: "In a way a comedian like Dave Chapelle is punching up when he targets cancel culture because he is targeting the self-appointed moral arbiters who are trying to force their political opinions on an entire industry of people through strong arm tactics and threats against their livelihood." It's insanely authoritarian. These people are fucking batshit lmfao.

Yes it can definitely be a useful tool, but I find actual clinical hypnotherapy way more effective than what's found on youtube. (Or atleast what I've found on yt so far).

One trap of psychedelics is to associate awakening with actual enlightenment, one being a state of consciousness, the other an insight that can be understood in almost any state of consciousness.

Psychedelics will actually facilitate your ability to meditate, especially if meditation is done during the trips. I don't think I'd ever be able to go as deep as I can without having been shown this through LSD. There will definitely be a stage however where psychedelics aren't of much use. Psychedelics can awaken you, but that doesn't mean they will make you enlightened.

The following have worked well for me: L-theanine Lion's Mane Microdoses (although I prefer low dose instead) Ashwagandha L-tyrosine/creatine if you're feeling fatigued but don't wanna be stimulated Other than that I find any form of cardio beforehand works great, especially if I shower straight after lol boy i feel cleansed. You could also check out this nootropic blend that has a lot of the same ingredients: https://cogneticsgroup.com/

Schizophrenia is a genetic disorder lol

As far as actual drugs go, I'd give phenylpiracetam a go since it's pretty potent as well but definitely safer and significantly less addicting than adderall. Something like adderall should always be the last resort. Defs look into adaptogens like L-theanine though since you can pretty much take them for as long as you want and don't have to worry about side effects.

Take a break from consciousness work in replacement of doing things that are more grounding e.g. running, yoga, being in nature with bare feet in the grass. DPDR can often be a sign of underlying anxiety issues, perhaps even be a form of ego backlash although I'm not sure yet. Most important thing is to practice being more grounded.

The biggest trap I fell in was over-conceptualising the indefinable, it's hard to remember an ego-dissolving experience since what leaves with it is all your memories and sense of time/space which are all necessary prerequisites for a story to reside in your head or be told to others. I just don't find it useful to investigate these things through the lens of the intellectual mind, try to approach this with your intuition; with your heart, NOT your mind. Basic mindfulness is quite good for being more in touch with one's intuition if such a person is actively surrendering the mind. A lot of neuroses can also be bypassed by approaching it this way. A single thought cannot even touch emptiness.

Frank: "If you can't lock it in and perceive infinity right here right now 24/7 then what's the point?"

This seems to be the point where "meditative" enlightenment and "psychedelic" enlightenment begin to diverge, the meditative path focuses more on seeing God in THIS MOMENT whereas the psychedelic type focuses on reaching higher and higher states of awareness. Both are ultimately good but I think to have one without the other is incomplete. I do believe Frank is correct when he says psychedelics alone cannot "lock in" enlightenment so to speak. It just isn't good enough in my eyes, you have to actually change the very structure of your own brain alongside the psychedelic awakenings to make things stick, the baseline level of consciousness is where 95% (or more) of your life is spent, so to think spending 5% of your life in an enlightened state equates to actual enlightenment even if some of it sticks is delusional imo. It's also important to mention that not EVERYONE feels using psychedelics over other methods is the most useful path for them, I'd argue most people find the combination to be most effective, instead of just smoking 5meo over and over again, that doesn't work for everyone. This whole "my way or the highway" attitude surrounding psychedelic enlightenment is bullshit.

Read "Dissolving the ego, realising the self" by David R. Hawkins start to finish before taking LSD alongside meditation and contemplation of these insights and you should make quick progress.

"The fact that Consciousness only experiences itself through one mind is a belief held by one mind! There is no evidence for it. This is called solipsism. Non-duality states there is only Consciousness. Solipsism states there is only the content of our own mind. These two statements may appear to be similar but in fact they are poles apart. The former is the source of sanity, the latter insanity." Defs not solipsism, solipsism is basically egocentricity to the max. Yours and @VincentArogya's insight is basically the same, just a different lens. Everyone experiences non-duality differently.

No mind no body no beginning no end

Taoism is by far my favourite school of thought, if only more people on the forum talked about it , helped me be less in my head trying to overly conceptualise the indefinable, and instead just experiencing it and knowing that way. Hard to be that neurotic when you start embodying taoism.

@The0Self I'm curious to know exactly what evidence there is that combining the two is bad? I've heard taking the 2 together is bad, but that taking creatine as a caffeine consumer is ok, which would often mean caffeine would be in your system when taking it. Kinda just sounds like some bro science to me.