JustinS
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@Prabhaker Were you a Rashneeshee back in the days? Part of the Oregon thing too back then?
To Sheela: "She did not prove to be a woman. She proved to be a perfect bitch." - OshoGetting more and more interesting.
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@Prabhaker Great, thanks! This is my first time hearing about this with Osho. I never knew he had such large number of followers.
The documentary is getting more and more interesting.
"I tell you the county (Wasco) is so fucking bigoted, it deserves to be taken over." - Sheela
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I'm on the 3rd episode. It all went to shit went Sheela decides to arm themselves with guns. Fighting evil against evil!
It would've been perfect if these guys were shot to another planet so they can do their thing.
Got to say she's inspirational!
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"Drop your attachment to waking up cause it's feeding everything else. How it is, is how it is. Something is unraveling itself for you, just watch it unraveling itself instead of "I'm making this happen." It's like hold on, less intensity. Just soften the whole things so that something can relax. In the relaxing what I'm tricking you to do is surrendering to the flow that is unraveling you anyway. I'm actually talking about surrendering to it and having control over it.
The pull to wake up, you can't stop it anyway. You're not going to be able to stop this, you've gone too far. It's got it's own momentum. So then in the kicking back and in the removing the plug of desire or the pressure to wake up, let's see what balances out. Some kind of middle road will come in."
~ Jac -
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"The I actually doesn't exist only in the moments it appears to exist, the moment that a thought is believed to be true. It's not that the I exists and it attaches to thoughts. It's like the I only exists when a thought is to be believed, it's part of the program. So the space between thoughts, there is no I. But we imagine an I continuing and then the I grabs thoughts. There is a space between thoughts, but it's not noticed. It takes an I to notice."
~ Jac
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Happi Pi Day and RIP
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"Awakening is a shift in perspective. Simply put, it’s the full seeing that what you are was never caught up in story in the first place. When the personal "I" is active it is imagined that there will be phenomenal freedom for the "I," as if the "I" will enjoy being out of its own story. But when the story falls there is a seeing that the "I" was never more than story."
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"Believing happens and it has to imagine itself -- in the movie; believing that anything is better than silence invariably will lead into suffering; silence is not boring; "silence is boring" can only be said in the movie."
- Jac
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@Elephant hahaha practical? Uh uh it helped me see where I wanted to go in terms of quieting of the mind. Its similar to lsd but without the edginess lsd can give for some ppl. Smoother ride. No practicallity but wanting to know whats really true.
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@Ether After a powerful dose of 5meo you can see that reality is just pure emptiness and has no solid substance to it at all. Its seen through. It’s there but it has no value, only to the mind body organism gives it value by providing concepts. The concept making mechanism has to stop to see this.
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You gotta give a round of applause to Maya. You got to out smart her yourself in order to see it for yourself. You are inside Maya and she ain’t gonna let you see outside of her that easily. Ego transcendence for oneself is the only way to see that Maya was never real.
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Mescaline is my favorite psychedelic. Incredibly gently and smooth and clear headed. I’ve heard they sell san pedro at local cactus shops, walmart, amazon, lowe’s.
Carlos Casteneda (Journey to Ixtlan) talks alot of the use of mescaline under his shaman Don Juan in the search for Mr. Mescalito, a short green figure he had encountered while under peyote. Interesting and funny story.
I’ve tried it in a shamanic setting where we sing to the fire and look for the blue deer. I didn’t see much but its defintely in a different context than your stay at home trip setting.
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1 hour ago, electroBeam said:notice that when you look away from the device you're using to look at this message, and then look back at it again, it collapses in the exact same way as you remember it.
@electroBeam Isn't that just a memory? I think memory is of the mind using it to continue it's play in Maya so that it can feel safe and reassured. Look at an object, then look away and get enlightened or do some 5meo/strong ego death psychedelic, and try looking at the same object again. Physically it will look the same but it will be strangely different. The observer affects the ENTIRE dream. Drop the observer, no more object.
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"You might want to think about this," says Bob, looking at me over the top of the pages he's holding. "These amateurs and hobbyists, as you call them, are your audience."
"My audience?""Well, your intended audience," he clarifies. "It might not be wise to alienate them like this."
"If I have an intended audience," I reply, "it's people who know they're stuck and want to get unstuck, not people who don't know they're stuck and just want to pass the time and pass judgment."
He sighs with exasperation. We've been having more or less this same conversation for several days."And who do you suppose is the difference?", says Bob.
"The former would receive criticism with gratitude, and the latter as a personal attack. Awakening is a process of breakthroughs, and breakthroughs don't come from incense and candlelight and inner peace. You look at spiritual aspirants as those most likely to achieve awakening, but Maya has them so bamboozled that those who seem the most advanced are simply the ones who are burrowing downward the fastest."
"But, Jed, honestly, you can't say things like that -"
"Sure I can. This isn't my pet theory, this is what I see, and if I see it, then it's there for anyone to see. All they have to do is look. I can say that, can't I? Open your eyes? Be honest. Take a look?"
"Your'e making this all seem too cut-and-dried, It's not that simple."
That's why I like having Bob around. He says things like that.
"It's exactly that simple," I reply, not for the first time. "Waking up from the dreamstate is a very straightforwards business. It doesn't take decades. It doesn't look like tranquility or like a calm, peaceful mind. It doesn't look like saving others or saving the world or even saving yourself. It doesn't look like a thriving marketplace where merit is determined by popular appeal or commercial success. Waking up looks like a massive mental and emotional breakdown because that's exactly what it is, the granddaddy of all breakdowns. That's the only way it works. I know there are thousands of books out there that say otherwise, and I can tell you that they were all written by Maya."
Jed Mckenna (Spiritual Warfare)
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3 hours ago, Shin said:I don't believe you,
@Shin Hahah what is this but still a belief.
Don’t believe this <- Don’t believe this saying to the left “don’t believe this” <- Don’t believe this saying to the left “Don’t believe this saying to the left “don’t believe this””...""....""....""....<error>
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As soon as you think you’re making progress or you’re going somewhere, there goes the mind again and its already contaminated. You are always that which is prior. It doesn’t prefer any particular state or emotions. It is perfect. Don’t believe in anything!
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Self Inquiry is a tool. Asking things like What am I? or I am not this body. These tools itself are within the mind. It’s a stick lit on fire you use to burn all other sticks. Eventually, you will have to throw this stick into that fire also but only if this stick is the last stick (question). I would be especially vigilant in not trying to feel any certain way or even to enjoy the peace of mind after self-inquiry as these are just experiences and mind. Bust through them, door after door, after door, after door.
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"In our spiritual practice we spend years pulling back from stuff, disconnecting, disconnecting..
...you've got to go back in, you know it's an illusion. But the patterns of disconnecting from things can be so strong that we can be tentative about reconnecting.
What do we do now? Okay, we go back in and test out the things that used to create an I. Test out, go back in, participate whatever you used to do and see what suits your system now.
Embrace it, let there be total inclusivity, total inclusivity. So that nothing is of a no-no. Nothing is pulling back from it. Go the opposite direction.
If it recreates a sense of an I, great, you've found something that wasn't dropped completely. It might..leave space for that too. Total inclusion.
That's the freedom part. That's moving towards liberation.
So awakening, Self-Realization is pulling back, from awakening to liberation involves from being totally inclusive."
- Jac
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Usually, when we think of someone drawing a line, making their stand, we think they’re committing themselves to an all or nothing battle; here and now, on this spot, live or die. That’s the kind of ultimatum Brett was describing. She made it sound like a fight, like put up your dukes, but it’s really not. It’s the end of fighting, the end of a lifelong struggle. Drawing this line doesn’t mean battle stations, red alert, defcon one and all that. It’s not that kind of battle. It means we have to lower our shields, not raise them.
An objective observer might look at the vast majority of spiritual seekers today and classify them as spiritually self lobotomized. They set out to find life and discover truth, and wind up sitting in a dark room repeating a meaningless syllable, eyes closed, brain silenced, convinced that they’re actually making a great journey. That’s how easily and effectively we are on undone, and it’s because the enemy is within, running the show, redeploying all of our mental and emotional resources against us. Instead of adopting a war like posture, we must, counterintuitively, lower our shields and defenses. This seems confusing until we understand that we are both the protagonist and the antagonist in this conflict, both attacker and defender.
This is the paradoxical nature of the struggle. We can’t win by fighting. The very thing that fights, that resists, is the thing we seek to overthrow. Only by vanquishing ego can we prevail. Only in surrender can we find victory. This is the part so few get, and fewer get beyond. This is the part where everything starts sounding all sagely or zenny or Orwellian, but that can’t be helped. If you want to say that religions and spiritual teachings share a core truth, it can only be this: Surrender is Victory.
Jed Mckenna
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"Your two stations, dual and nondual, are limited perspectives, created by your life story. Believing either perspective is living under a spell."
"The phenomenon experience of freedom is the uninterrupted flow of pure consciousness living a life through your form. Freedom in action is being fully human."
YOU are not consciousness. There is no consciousness! OMG! (Finally got to use this word in an absolute appropriate context)
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Jac: The mind sees objects good, bad, I see it this way, I could see it that way, okay it's all concepts, we see things how they operate. Absolute is seeing, but there is nothing seen. That seeing comes from that but there is nothing seeing, because there is only that.
Interviewer: There is no naming.
Jac: There is no naming, the mind comes in with naming. Quality control, subject object.
Interviewer: So without the mind there is no naming so that seen just happens and everything is just there. Everything is everything it's just one.
Jac: Bingo, so take that away. Take mind away. "It's one" is actually saying it's one, what's one, what's it? There is only it, so there is no one. There is no one! Oneness too is a concept. Oneness is already mind, it's already too late. It's gone in to the sense of one therefore not two....too late!
Interviewer: Wow..
Jac: You see so the Absolute is total perfection and it's total stillness, and the second I open my mouth I'm talking rubbish! because I have to use concepts because the mind is the thing between the Absolute and words.
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@Nexeternity Who is it that just thought that thought of wanting enlightenment? How is that thought any different than of a thought of wanting ice cream on a hot summer day? Thoughts, whether seeking pleasure or pain all have the same basic characteristic of being just a concept; but in this case it's believed in.
Haha I guess make sure it's the first and last thing you would want besides all else. Do everything you've got to do in order to become enlightenment until there is no more tricks in the bag to pull out. When the mind finally realizes for absolute certainty that it has no way out of this sham, then self inquire until the mind spirals in utter confusion into it's demise and is seen through by YOU, which is prior to duality, and it is recognized as YOU, then give up all effort.
Oh than you're going to love this one.
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