Illusory Self

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    Suffering is a good teacher. I used to think similarly to you, untill consciousness woke up to itself. It's not necessarily the situation that is bad, it's more so how the thoughts and or interprations of the situation feel. You already are the case which is truth/love/unconditioned self. Maybe try and go inwards into noticing the more recurring thoughts that appear and just let me flow without any attachment or judgement. Thoughts are thoughts. 

     

    'One of my biggest problems is these types of looping thoughts', that's another thought which feels off most likely.

     

    Wish you all the best!

     

    I found journaling, meditation, self-expression really helped me. Notice there is quite literally nothing to do at all. You don't have to do or become anything as you already the case. Consciousness which is already unconditional.

  3. Posted

    Enlightenment simply means seeing things as they are so to speak. Noticing that there are thoughts about being awake or having awakenings or about everything/anything. 

    But they are just thoughts, they can be identified with or let go of.. 

    No one actually wakes up, it's more just seeing the illusory sense of self for what it is. Never having really existed but seemed to believe that it did. Everything is already happening perfectly as it has. Reality is pure unconditional beingness. It's really up to the person whether they choose to inspect beliefs or live in illusuion believing that it is who they are. 

    Enlightenment in it's truest sense does not do anything for the ego, it's just knowing deep down that 'the voice in the head', 'seperate self' 'ego' etc.. is not who you really are. 

    Who you really are is awareness. Always here. Thoughts come and go but awareness is always here and is always the case. Aware of every single thing that is happening.

    For a long time, I seemed to have a spiritual ego or sense of self. Needing to get to the next highest state or having so many awakenings, etc etc.. feeling the need of 'doing' all the time. Suffering happens purely innocently out of ignorance and having a mistaken identity or believing the thoughts. The mind is the only thing that exists. The dreamers mind is all there is to reality but it innocently believes that there is an 'outside world' which creates suffering. Such as there are 'others' but they are thoughts appearing within the unlimited/infinite mind of god's creation. 

     

    There is literally never a single thing that is being done or has to be done only appearing so from not questioning the very nature of the illusory sense of self. Everyones creating there own reality every moment whether they realize it or not. 

     

    For a long time I thought enlightement or awakening was this huge thing and some achievment but it's so ordinary. Like this is actually home all along. I literally cannot get any closer to myself than I already am. I can get further away from myself by believing in thoughts of the illusory self.. 

     

    Go within and you'll find exactly the same thing, I refused to truely go within for a very long time... averting from one experience, craving the next, living in permenant disastisfaction... 

     

    It really is all unfolding seamlessly :x

  5. Posted

    That's a judgement. The only one who is thinking those thoughts is you, why do feel like you need to be perfect? I was the same, really bad social anxiety, conversation skills etc.. I had to remove the judgements that I had about myself of not been good enough in social situations to actually be good where everything flows freely. 

     

    So imo, worth looking into why you get thoughts that you think you are socially awkward and need to improve in the first place.

     

    It's actually a great time when one feels like that, it's a trigger to do deep inner healing work. 

     

    Look at it as a positive :) 

  6. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    47 minutes ago, Someone here said:

    @Leo Gura

    Who is the 'right' online Guru for you, the most ‘reliable’ to guide you home on your 'spiritual path?'
    For me.. No one. Or, it doesn't matter.
    Do you choose your Guru, does the guru choose you, or does Life choose both?
    There is no Guru, no "you," and no 'spiritual path.' Just Life, unfolding. And "you" are already Home.

    Probably sounds like Nahm's neo advaita? Could be but I'd rather be told that god is the most near and intimate thing to me. Not that I have to hallucinate 150 times to just get an idea of what God actually is. 

    Also btw you said you gonna tone down the arrogant vibe :)

    Yes, my friend it is the most intimate thing. It just gets overlooked by the fascination with objective experience. Awareness has no objective qualities but is always aware of everything that is going on. The truth is always every present but experience seems so real, it only clouds the truth that is in the background. Imo Nahm has some flaws but each spiritual teacher has their own unique spiritual tone, so it's more important to listen to your heart and what that is saying.

     

    Lot's of non-dual teachers have different ways of communicating the uncommunicatible as it transcends all language. 

     

    But psychedelics can give you glimpses into your true nature but when you get out of them, you are back into egoic consciousness and it is simply a past experience.

  7. Posted

    7 minutes ago, billiesimon said:

    Eckhart is one of my biggest influences in terms of spiritual results.

    Yes, he has a very generalized and newbie approach, but that's his great strength.

    He is responsible for a mass-impact, not for teaching to the rarest students.

    He's a great starting point and even for going beyond a newbie phase.

    @billiesimon @Breakingthewall

     

    I agree! maybe it's more important to explain the concept of enliightenment to people as not many people know what enlightenment even is 

  8. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

    They are simple because their awakenings are shallow.

    You can turn awakening into a very shallow thing.

    @Leo Gura

    I am asking what are the best ways to get people to the non-dual state of awareness though. Non-duality surely is better than ego identified. 

    Do you think they are doing a good job when it comes to non-dual teachings? 

    What are the best ways, in your opinion? 

    Imo it's more important on thinking how to elevate the consciousness of the masses. 

  9. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    I want to know what everyones thoughts are on the direct path non-dual teachers such as Mooji, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle etc... and all the other teachers who focus on self-inquiry

     

    is that the most effective way to get people to non-dual states of being by just saying focus on the present moment, we all share our own being. Do you think the audience really understands what they are communicating and is it effective or could a better approach be put in place? 

    I find Eckhart Tolle, Rupert Spira extremely simplifying such profound states of awareness and I am not sure if that is the most effective way of helping others reach that place. 

    They bring up to not search for enlightenment, there is no I, there is no seeker etc.. or well Rupert does anyway. 

    Don't get me wrong, they explain it well, really well. But make it sound so extremely simple & I am fairly certain it just goes in one ear and out the other for most people.

    What are peoples opinions on the most effective way to teach non-duality?

     

    I am pretty sure after an Eckhart Tolle seminar, everyone will just go back to living their ordinary egoic lives. 

  11. Posted

    1 hour ago, Moksha said:

    This is true, but also be careful not to conflate how you feel with suffering. You can be in deep physical or emotional pain, from what is happening in this moment, without suffering, which is the result of resisting the reality of this moment.

    If you are in the flow state of yourself, and allow the energy of everything you encounter to freely pass through you, you will never suffer again.

    When I suffered, it was always the result of focusing my attention on my mind and being caught up in its turmoil. I would invest enormous energy into the thought/feeling of an event that happened in the past, or the thought/feeling of an event that might happen in the future, neither of which had anything to do with the reality of now. My mind was doing its best to protect me from being hurt or from hurting others, without realizing that in doing so it was actually creating the suffering that it so desperately wanted to avoid.

    The energy of life has to go somewhere. It can pass through you, and teach you in the process without harming you, or its coming and going can be resisted. If you barricade yourself against negative energy, or cling to positive energy, either way you are trapping it inside of you. Until you surrender to it and release it, the energy will build into an internal hurricane of suffering.

    Enlightenment is the realization of your ultimate nature, and remaining within the stillness of your essence no matter what winds the life dream sends your way. You still feel the winds, but instead of fighting them you surrender to them. I love the example of the Zen master who received the news that his wife had suddenly died, and collapsed in tears and wailing. His awareness was still present, observing the energy of this event passing through the person without resisting it. It was an authentic experience, which he neither clung to nor resisted. That is what it means to live lucidly.

     

    @Moksha

    Yes I relate to you, I spent most of my life in deep mental suffering but it gave me what I needed to not suffer anymore. To accept everything, just how it is. 

    Suffering is simply a disastisfaction with what is right here and now. 

  12. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    Many people claim to be 'awake' or know everything about spirituality but the real question is do you still suffer and if so why? 

     

    Do you want to get to that next awakening because of not being awake enough currently, if so why? Imo, a way of look at if someone is so called 'enlightened' or 'awake' or not is simply, does that person still suffer or not? 

     

    If there is no more suffering, then great but what causes a lot of suffering imo especially in spirituality is the need to be more awake and 'higher conscious' etc.. That inevtibly causes suffering is there is a disastisfaction what what is currently present. A spiritual ego so to speak, claiming awakening but it is just uninspected thought narratives. You can make thought stories about conceptually understanding spirituality but it's actually the removal of those stories. It's easy to say, this is a dream etc... whilst it still remains yet another story that the sense of self builds. 

     

    It's all to easy for the ego to claim 'that I am awake' but that is not the case. It's using awakening as a way of enhancing the seperate self in order to be more spiritually superior than others. A spiritual delusion so to speak, and it cannot be seen clearly unless one is really honest with themselves. 

     

    The ego wants to identify with anything but it actually never existed in the first place. It's just thoughts, beliefs, narratives etc.. 

     

    So my question to you is, do you suffer or not? and if so, why? 

     

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    On 06/03/2023 at 5:58 PM, Jowblob said:

     

    I was so conscious i got a choice if i wanted to pierce my heart, i said yes because deep inside i knew there is no death. After that everything was lead by god like in a movie

     

    Im the only one that can be awake.


    The choice of you retaining this physical dream form was already made by you!!!!!!!!  Because giving an appearance of other is less suffering then being there because there is nobody but you. Because you're infinitely intelligent you are already trying to give yourself the best life.
    In that infinite state, there is only seperarion between your thought and nothingness. 

    You already are as you are. There isn't even an ego, it's just thoughts, one after the other. 'I was so conscious' - no one gets conscious. It's all thoughts about becoming awake and conscious. You already are perfect the way you are. Just be careful of the spiritual ego just from experience. It can really co-opt awakening into making something that it is not. Are you awake now or simply referring back to the past which does not exist? 

  17. Posted

    I have been abiding in the absolute non-dual awareness for 2 months now and wondering how to best communicate with others in the relative domain. Everything is interpeted through there own filter. 

     

    Whatever is said, the mind interprets and all my life I was thinking but I don't anymore. It's like immense suffering to continuous states of unconditional love. Not needing to do anything etc.. Becoming life instead of the identification with the mind/body. 

     

    Just trying to figure out how to most effectively guide people to truth realization. Also there is no me and no sense of being me so there is kind of no-self.

     

    Who the hell do I be?!

  19. Posted

    14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

    For those of you who are not enlightened but has had awakening experiences and are aspiring to abide in non-dual awareness, have you ever tried letting go of everything? I mean literally everything — your entire life as a human: your future aspirations, your job, your friends, your family, your kids, your sanity, your desire to belong, to be safe, to survive. Maybe that is what is keeping you back. I know it is for me. If you've already tasted what it's about, what else could be holding you back?

    There is actually no one to get enlightened. You already are enlightened. There are beliefs upon having a seperate self. 

    A belief upon getting enlightened is probably what holds most people back. 

  20. Posted

    It’s about noticing thoughts for what they are. The end of suffering is not being attached to thoughts. Not believing a thing. 
     

    the illusory existence of the “I” is what generates suffering. Because that is simply not what you are. It’s an egoic conceptual framework which is other than you. 
     

    When the I gets seen through of its illusory nature and thought attachment and then what is left is simply freedom/liberation. Enlightenment is what you are but confusion arose due to upbringing and conditioning. A sense of identity was constructed. The ego. But it’s all just thought activity. 

  21. Posted · Edited by Illusory Self

    Enlightenment is the recognition of who one actually is. The absolute freedom to express yourself and do what you choose to do without any constraints. It is the recognition that the egoical structure or the 'I' never even existed. You still exist as the consciousness and love that you are but all fear is removed. It is all pure love. There isn't even a need to tell people that you are enlightened because that is quite possibly a way that the egoical structure will perpetuate itself and could become a so called 'spirital ego'. 

    It is a regonition that we all do share the same one consciousness which is in the background of all experience that happens. There is no need to go anywhere and do anything because you are already here. Forever and eternally here. In this very present moment, simply experiencing one thought at a time. Always creating new experiences within the present moment. 

    A recognition of being absolutely infinite and can create anything because thoughts are creative. It is the same internal state, whatever you may call it. Unconditional love/happiness/oneness/God's being. Nothing in the external reality can affect that internal place of just being love. 

    It is beyond the conceptualizations of the thinking mind but at the same time it is a drawing back into the experience that is currently being experienced and putting that eternal presencce on the nature of thoughts and recognizing them for what they are. 

    You control your thoughts and instead of your thoughts controlling you. It is a disendtification from form into formless.. without any constaints. Simply experiencing pure love. 

    No longer identified with the body-mind. 

    There is an awareness beyond the place of thought identification. No thought attachment. Just pure love and bliss. It's almost like you took off in a rocket ship and landed in outer space where as on the ground there is a huge gravitational pull within an egoic state of consciousness of always needing something to feel happy. Always resisting the moment of pure awareness. 

     

    The game that is being played is that everyone thinks others are judging them when in fact we are the only ones judging ourselves. 

     

    There is nothing to worry about. Everything is perfect as it is :x

  22. Posted

    1 hour ago, onacloudynight said:

    There seems to be a major frustration within me I can't let go of.

    Be kind with yourself. Be gentle. but self inquire into the nature of the ‘I’ on every thought. 
     

    “There seems to be a major frustration within me I can’t let go of.” - on who’s behalf does that thought arise? 
     

    “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all." - Jesus