Illusory Self

I want to know what everyones thoughts are on the direct path non-dual teachers such as Mooji, Rupert Spira, Eckhart Tolle etc... and all the other teachers who focus on self-inquiry is that the most effective way to get people to non-dual states of being by just saying focus on the present moment, we all share our own being. Do you think the audience really understands what they are communicating and is it effective or could a better approach be put in place? I find Eckhart Tolle, Rupert Spira extremely simplifying such profound states of awareness and I am not sure if that is the most effective way of helping others reach that place. They bring up to not search for enlightenment, there is no I, there is no seeker etc.. or well Rupert does anyway. Don't get me wrong, they explain it well, really well. But make it sound so extremely simple & I am fairly certain it just goes in one ear and out the other for most people. What are peoples opinions on the most effective way to teach non-duality? I am pretty sure after an Eckhart Tolle seminar, everyone will just go back to living their ordinary egoic lives.

I think it is due to gaming most of my life but whenever I place my fingers on the floor to do pushups, yoga etc... they typically bend (from the pip joint). How do I go about fixing this issue?

Many people claim to be 'awake' or know everything about spirituality but the real question is do you still suffer and if so why? Do you want to get to that next awakening because of not being awake enough currently, if so why? Imo, a way of look at if someone is so called 'enlightened' or 'awake' or not is simply, does that person still suffer or not? If there is no more suffering, then great but what causes a lot of suffering imo especially in spirituality is the need to be more awake and 'higher conscious' etc.. That inevtibly causes suffering is there is a disastisfaction what what is currently present. A spiritual ego so to speak, claiming awakening but it is just uninspected thought narratives. You can make thought stories about conceptually understanding spirituality but it's actually the removal of those stories. It's easy to say, this is a dream etc... whilst it still remains yet another story that the sense of self builds. It's all to easy for the ego to claim 'that I am awake' but that is not the case. It's using awakening as a way of enhancing the seperate self in order to be more spiritually superior than others. A spiritual delusion so to speak, and it cannot be seen clearly unless one is really honest with themselves. The ego wants to identify with anything but it actually never existed in the first place. It's just thoughts, beliefs, narratives etc.. So my question to you is, do you suffer or not? and if so, why?

That's a judgement. The only one who is thinking those thoughts is you, why do feel like you need to be perfect? I was the same, really bad social anxiety, conversation skills etc.. I had to remove the judgements that I had about myself of not been good enough in social situations to actually be good where everything flows freely. So imo, worth looking into why you get thoughts that you think you are socially awkward and need to improve in the first place. It's actually a great time when one feels like that, it's a trigger to do deep inner healing work. Look at it as a positive

Yes, my friend it is the most intimate thing. It just gets overlooked by the fascination with objective experience. Awareness has no objective qualities but is always aware of everything that is going on. The truth is always every present but experience seems so real, it only clouds the truth that is in the background. Imo Nahm has some flaws but each spiritual teacher has their own unique spiritual tone, so it's more important to listen to your heart and what that is saying. Lot's of non-dual teachers have different ways of communicating the uncommunicatible as it transcends all language. But psychedelics can give you glimpses into your true nature but when you get out of them, you are back into egoic consciousness and it is simply a past experience.

@billiesimon @Breakingthewall I agree! maybe it's more important to explain the concept of enliightenment to people as not many people know what enlightenment even is

@Leo Gura I am asking what are the best ways to get people to the non-dual state of awareness though. Non-duality surely is better than ego identified. Do you think they are doing a good job when it comes to non-dual teachings? What are the best ways, in your opinion? Imo it's more important on thinking how to elevate the consciousness of the masses.

@Moksha Yes I relate to you, I spent most of my life in deep mental suffering but it gave me what I needed to not suffer anymore. To accept everything, just how it is. Suffering is simply a disastisfaction with what is right here and now.

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You are love. That is essentially who you are, just overlooked by the believing of thoughts.

You already are as you are. There isn't even an ego, it's just thoughts, one after the other. 'I was so conscious' - no one gets conscious. It's all thoughts about becoming awake and conscious. You already are perfect the way you are. Just be careful of the spiritual ego just from experience. It can really co-opt awakening into making something that it is not. Are you awake now or simply referring back to the past which does not exist?

Just focus more on what is wanted and discard what is not wanted. You are then attracting.

I have been abiding in the absolute non-dual awareness for 2 months now and wondering how to best communicate with others in the relative domain. Everything is interpeted through there own filter. Whatever is said, the mind interprets and all my life I was thinking but I don't anymore. It's like immense suffering to continuous states of unconditional love. Not needing to do anything etc.. Becoming life instead of the identification with the mind/body. Just trying to figure out how to most effectively guide people to truth realization. Also there is no me and no sense of being me so there is kind of no-self. Who the hell do I be?!

@Demeter Lol, I was depressed my whole life and now I feel the most unconditional love wherever I am. Beliefs in seperate self's cause suffering. Couldn't see clearly but now I can. Suffering is a good teacher.

There is actually no one to get enlightened. You already are enlightened. There are beliefs upon having a seperate self. A belief upon getting enlightened is probably what holds most people back.

It’s about noticing thoughts for what they are. The end of suffering is not being attached to thoughts. Not believing a thing. the illusory existence of the “I” is what generates suffering. Because that is simply not what you are. It’s an egoic conceptual framework which is other than you. When the I gets seen through of its illusory nature and thought attachment and then what is left is simply freedom/liberation. Enlightenment is what you are but confusion arose due to upbringing and conditioning. A sense of identity was constructed. The ego. But it’s all just thought activity.

Enlightenment is the recognition of who one actually is. The absolute freedom to express yourself and do what you choose to do without any constraints. It is the recognition that the egoical structure or the 'I' never even existed. You still exist as the consciousness and love that you are but all fear is removed. It is all pure love. There isn't even a need to tell people that you are enlightened because that is quite possibly a way that the egoical structure will perpetuate itself and could become a so called 'spirital ego'. It is a regonition that we all do share the same one consciousness which is in the background of all experience that happens. There is no need to go anywhere and do anything because you are already here. Forever and eternally here. In this very present moment, simply experiencing one thought at a time. Always creating new experiences within the present moment. A recognition of being absolutely infinite and can create anything because thoughts are creative. It is the same internal state, whatever you may call it. Unconditional love/happiness/oneness/God's being. Nothing in the external reality can affect that internal place of just being love. It is beyond the conceptualizations of the thinking mind but at the same time it is a drawing back into the experience that is currently being experienced and putting that eternal presencce on the nature of thoughts and recognizing them for what they are. You control your thoughts and instead of your thoughts controlling you. It is a disendtification from form into formless.. without any constaints. Simply experiencing pure love. No longer identified with the body-mind. There is an awareness beyond the place of thought identification. No thought attachment. Just pure love and bliss. It's almost like you took off in a rocket ship and landed in outer space where as on the ground there is a huge gravitational pull within an egoic state of consciousness of always needing something to feel happy. Always resisting the moment of pure awareness. The game that is being played is that everyone thinks others are judging them when in fact we are the only ones judging ourselves. There is nothing to worry about. Everything is perfect as it is

Be kind with yourself. Be gentle. but self inquire into the nature of the ‘I’ on every thought. “There seems to be a major frustration within me I can’t let go of.” - on who’s behalf does that thought arise? “Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find. When they find, they will be disturbed. When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will rule over all." - Jesus

By not wanting to ascend them. Enlightenment is right now.

Keep dreaming

No one is calling you a liar

Only problem is when there is judgement about watching porn or not. Do what you want to do. No one is judging

I would investigate your own thoughts more. Why do you want to sit to self enquire when you feel utter profound peace? Why do you feel like you have to do something next? Yes, awakening is actually the realization that there is not a single thing one must do. There is no one to of had a similiar experience as that will just be more activity of thoughts. Awareness/oneness is which is foremost and shared with every being there is. Consciousness is infinite. You choose what to do next as that is the whole part of the infinity that you are. Thoughts are creative

There is no such thing as evil. Devil LEO