kbone

James? Full of anger, violence, and hate?? Ummm, uuhh...

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Yes, but based on a majority of what you pursue and share, you seem more interested in mysticism than in Truth. That is, with respect to Plotinus' model of reality (just a model, not Truth), the sense is more of NOUS than The ONE. Generally speaking, it seems that a majority of peeps deeply influenced by and/or dependent on psychedelics get attached to the NOUS aspects of the model in which there's a lot of the woweezowee woo woo rather than the simplicity of the Here and Now (immanence). That's not saying that they can't be decent tools for a select number of seekers, but they can be a trap. It surely seems that the qualitative shift in perspective between NOUS and The ONE would be of 'greater importance' were it otherwise. The belief in self and the belief in no self are of the same mind ish, and are thus easy to argue about. I'm not arguing, just looking to see how well informed the mind is of its content and its 'secondary status' in this grander scheme of things. I repeat, I am not interested in defending or promoting any particular teaching/teacher. Yes, there is a lot of nonsense in the speerchal market that many fall prey to. The appearing world of Life is unfolding that way, Perfectly So. Sometimes, I do sense that a teacher/teaching is somewhat limited or closed, as you say, but I am also willing to suspend judgment and try to get a sense of the larger 'direction' of their intent. Sometimes certain teachings seem to require certain number of 'provisional truths' that might only be transcended later on in one's journey. It requires a little coaxing to get some seekers to walk through a past certain doors of perception. Does the teacher allude to that anywhere in their (usually) numerous teachings? Those kinds of things don't always show up in some out-of-context quote, so it can be the seeker who makes the mistakes, not the teaching. It's messy stuff, to be sure.... but clarity isn't. It's simplererer. But, since you bring up Niz, what do you think he meant by focus on the 'I AM' (the crux of his teaching, supposedly) with respect to your arguments FOR self and AGAINST no self . Are you willing or open enough to challenge or to suspend your own potentially limited perspectives?

Only Truth will 'truly' set one free...unfortunately, for the self-identified ego, that endeavor entails something like a self-destructive implosion of an ongoing construct of untruths one has been (mostly) unconsciously building, projecting, and living as a separate volitional person (SVP) for one's entire life. That's most of the reason for the admonition for self-inquiry often found in most religions, speerchualities, psychological schools, etc that challenges an adherent to move toward a higher self or a god. Nonduality challenges that movement, so sure, it requires a bit of tension. But it is NOT about escape, denial, bypassing, stagnation, etc...ultimately. In fact, I'm not really certain what ND is per se, other than maybe a collection of familiar, annoying pointers, hehe. But, this mind is informed by whatever they ultimately point to. Anyway, in architectural structures, there are what are called 'load-bearing walls' which are of much greater import than the 'normal ones' that just divide rooms or are used for decorative purposes. I've noticed that many peep's psychological load-bearing walls are often constructed via the interactions with parental figures and, to lesser extents, other family members or close friends/idols. There's often an emotional charge/energy within them, and they tend to be influential in the familiar patterns (good or bad) one finds in one's life. Many aspects of self-inquiry eventually center on this construct of self which, in turn, obscures the objectivity of one's own subjective stance and/or interpretations of 'others' perspectives. They show up in one's reasoning, logic, theories, preferences, etc. Interestingly, many peeps also identify with such concepts as if they are extensions of the illusory self, rather than simply aspects of its construct in the mind. There's an interesting twist there. Ironically, when discussing 'transcending', it is often about negating the oppressive walls/barriers/beliefs one has erected in/as one's mind and sense of self. To transcend and include requires taking responsibility for having unconsciously constructed such walls/barriers via ignorance. That is, having seen through their obscuring nature, one understands them as aspects of human nature, but is no longer bound or limited by them. Imagining is creative, but identifying as is limiting, conclusive. The 'objective' conclusions of who/what you think I am were expressed from a center/self that I am all too familiar with, as an aspect of human nature. With respect to our previous discussions, I certainly didn't know that I needed to be walking on egg shells while, supposedly, participating in 'breaking the walls'. As such, understanding what is likely to come into play, I'm not really sure how much to participate in any further dialogue with your takes on "spirituality, reality, etc., using logic, reality, pointing out errors". Let's see what happens.

Keep going, please. As of now, approximately 14,000 posts less than you in the relative same time period. Hmmm. That your mind needs to twist words and facts to make up lies about what was shared in reply to and with respect to your ‘life lived in relation’ says volumes. Yes, toxicity sounds about right. About 10-20% of the other words must have hit a soft spot, and your mind has been on a witch hunt since then... apparently. Yes, being that I only have 1-2 times a day to post, and that I'm usually amped on a STRONG cup of coffee doing it, it's likely that some of my longer convoluted posts are just stream-of-consciousness style. Apologies. Not that you even read them or ask questions for clarifying our differences in perception.... just trigger off disagreement and specific words, make assumptions, and build the consistent antagonistic ad hominem pattern that's in progress. Quite telling. If anyone remembered “Nothing” or recognized authentic “Nothingness” in reading anything I’ve shared, I’d be super-happy and hug/laugh with them!! More projection and games exemplifies a mind’s agenda. Is the split mind conscious of them? Bring on the carefully tailored Drama Triangle of victim (you and other board members), perpetrator (kbone), and savior (you) to sort it all out. Continue lashing out as/into Nothingness, exposing the illusions that bind. Are you aware of the tar baby argument in progress? I am. I'm hanging out, with at least one foot in the field beyond right/wrong (duality).... with Rumi Baba, whirling away.....

I’m confident, am wholesomely and foolishly in Love, share empowering/fulfilling relationships (mother, brothers, their children and girlfriends, and a small number of friends now), live in/as non-dual aware-state most of the time- but KNOW, don’t play games, and am not competing with anyone. But yes, one of my brothers has shared what they learned about the common ways narcissists affect their children (their perceived sense of self, their susceptibilities to developing the same traits/disorder), narcissistic injury, and narcissistic scars. They are pertinent to this convo, imo. What’s commonly found in psychological literature points to certain needs for developing a ‘healthier ego’, which can lead to a mature human adult (sadly lacking these days). Imo, aspects/degrees of transcending the mind and/or the perceived ‘separate self’ construct could offer help, but it would be highly dependent on the individuation in question. It’s not always ‘necessary’, and the sense of ‘futility’ encountered can be quite daunting, at which point the ‘necessity’ gets questioned a lot. It is what it is, and is perfectly normal in the grand scheme. I’m neither a psychologist, nor a speerchal teacher. I’m just an idiot one meets along the way who just happens to have an awkward way of pointing out the wrinkle in mind. If by assassinating someone's character of whom you know nothing about, you move closer to exposing and vaporising your sense of separate self, I’d be honored. If all that I've shared with you gives off bad energy and you see patterns of diabolical toxicity hell bent on sabotaging, taking advantage of, and using peeps, I guess that's what your mind sees. You're not even curious of how wrong you might be, and it doesn't even seem to matter. It is interesting.

Yes, it is very good to not want peeps to fall into the traps that narcissists use ensnare their targets for use, abuse, and refuse. Two of my brothers married into families full of them, and paid the price dearly, as have their children. This is another thing I agree with you on; narcissism is indeed rampant in modern society, especially with all the online activity people are involved in. I typically avoid those situations, as well. I am sorry you see me that way. If you could, in order to use me as a good model for the narcissistic vampire you see me as, could you put together a few toxic quotes that I have written to you in the contexts we have shared that made you feel so abused? Perhaps, I took your persona as being a forceful one and fully intent on breaking the walls, and went too far somewhere that caused you to be so hurt and/or angry. Maybe I was just wrong about the context, or something. Not really sure. That goes for anyone else, also, if I have indeed stepped over the line with you. It might help us all to understand the kind of monster that I supposedly am. I'll refrain from any salutations as they can be perceived as anything at this point.

I don't hate the story any more, though I used to. I do hope you find peace beyond the trauma, my brother. We're all anonymous here, and I ain't selling nothing. Don't believe me. Don't search. FIND!!!! I do love you as part of this life, and I take full responsibility for having been honest. I'll tell my super strong wife/best friend of 25 years and my brothers who have been my other best friends for 56 years that you think I'm a raging narcissist. If I could, I would tell all the people who have trusted me and worked long hours with no pay in my profession, trying our best to improve educational standards around the world. They might be interested to know. I guess this means you hate the words I've shared. Welp, OK. If you want to carry on trashing a fellow message board member, welp, OK. I won't stop you. It needs to come out somehow. At some point, there's no hiding it anyway. Better that it's worked out here.

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Yeah, I reckon sometimes it is something that just shows up when a person has a balanced kind of mind... or something. Who knows. There are quite a few 'speerchal schools' that convey something along the lines of a well-integrated 'feminine-masculine spirit' as being a goal/emanation of sorts. I sensed that about you in a number of your posts, so I was just curious. You mentioned being a model, but also had this masculine presence in your words. Hugs, Sista 😍

I did not think Turkiye!! My wife and I have ALWAYS been amazed by so many aspects of your country and have always wanted to visit there! 😍😎 Much love to you and yours, Brother 🤟🏼

Fascinating. Oooookay. Thanks for telling us how your mental structure perceives balanced feedback, makes your reflected sense of self feel (triggered), and then proceeds to defend and to lash out. I happen to like some of your perspectives and have expressed certain agreements, but when this kind of thing happens.... I'm simply at a loss. "Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it" "If I love myself, I love you. If I love you, I love myself" ~Rumi

Glad you could rez with the share. You do seem to have a very congenial spirit about ya: joy, love, excitement, passion...yes, very nice blossoms. No worries. Just sharing on a theoretical front, from what I've gathered, even after getting periodically attached to the idea/experience of Nothingness, peeps can also even get periodically attached to the idea/experience of Freedom. I suppose it's a relative thang, but it also happens to be something that newly found freedom can give rise to, I suspect. Sometimes, it could be the mind that is making a 'power grab' of sorts. Such attachments can be noticeable in some convos. Power-driven mind likes to think it won (i.e., defeated another), which kinda snorta seems to miss an important point. That seems to come mostly from the male minds, if I'm being open and honest. Whereas, discerning mind, knowing "it is what it is", may just say what it can (sometimes trying to meet the other mind on its terms), and maybe while smiling or looking emotionless or whatever. I totally dig what you mean in saying it's not "all I do", and that it may still be fun/helpful to do a little jousting on occasion. Curious, have you by chance noticed/sensed that you have both a feminine side, as well as a masculine side, like maybe you have a tendency to act or 'also' enjoy being around boyishness at times?

I understand you very well, and you are all good in my book. You don't have to reply, but I sensed you are from the Far East somewhere; I got the feeling via your words... could be wrong, of course...doesn't matter. English is a crazy language, though!! There was a temple in Kyoto in which the Japanese version of the Ox Herding pictures were housed. I used to collect calligraphy from the various temples I visited, and I got the drawings that day also. I was not mature at all, and it took me a while to intuit what they referred to, of course. In a way, they were part of my entry into the great adventure, as was Zen, but the mountains were my favorite 'teachers'. I would have been absolutely hopeless as a monk, hehe. I am very happy that you got past the health issues you mentioned recently. Peacely and hugs, Brother 🤟🏼 The Big Love

Right, if a peep goes to a Zen monastery to give their sovereignty to another peeps, they've already started with the wrong intention. Yes, some likely assume that the ZM can 'teach' them something, and it may be that there is a 2nd or 3rd rate ZM there that is on a power trip. The 'real' goal would be to realize Truth/Self (depending on the approach 'chosen' by the 'mental structure'). Will that happen? I don't know. I'm not big on homogenizing systems either, but I don't state that all such schools of thought/practice necessarily deserve that limited perspective on them. Nor do I conclude that they will merely turn all adherents into "silent and empty Zen students, nothing more." Could they? Sure. I understand you may be trying to sound tough and no nonsense, but it can also be understood as you not really being open to other potentials (at least for other peeps). That would indicate a limited perspective. You are dedicated to the path of psychedelics, (sometimes) re-experiencing and/or confronting one's innermost fears, learning how to deal with them, reporting the changes in perception, validating one's ongoing ontology, which is not necessarily a bad thing per se. I totally get the value. And some of those folks might naturally see its limited perspective and decide to go 'further'. All good. Yes, I am happy you have found some resonance with the Sufis. They have some good thinkers and pointers, too. That you find some form of ND that resonates with a deeper sense of Wholeness which, correlates with an emanating deeper intuitive awareness is a good thingy, and maybe provides some deeper perspective.