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@Ajay0 The root of these conflicts can be traced back to the founding of the countries! From the Ukrainian war of independence to “Zionism was the main force behind the creation of the State of Israel in 1948, and remains the country's dominant ideology today.”(Wikipedia).

@Knn Do you really think modern Israelis still bear a grudge that deep based on historical events that they weren’t alive for tho? It’s surely one factor in the equation but I believe Leo is correct to boil it down to simply not caring about others moral system.

@Nivsch If you ask me, Leo was spot on with the original bear analogy, the bear simply does not care about your moral system.

@Knna splendid read!

@Thought Art Quite the contrary, going back in history it seems like Zionism was the main catalyst of the conflict, with radical Islam adding fuel to the fire. @Willy Phallicus Palestine is prohibited from having a military due to Israeli policies, why put HAMAS and Palestine in the same boat? @Raze @Karmadhi Those are also important distinctions, ethnic cleansing is definitely more severe than the loss of a cultural identity

@Leo Gura Under the 1993 and 1995 Oslo Accords, the Palestinian Authority (PA) was established as an interim self-governing body. These agreements permitted the creation of a police and internal security force, but explicitly prohibited the establishment of a regular military or army. Palestinian security forces are restricted in their size, training, and weaponry, limited mostly to small arms and light vehicles. (Welcometopalestine.com) It seems like due to these Oslo Accords, Palestine is backed into a corner as far as defense which is why these terrorist organizations sprout up and become so powerful relative to the government. How is Palestine supposed to prevent terrorism without a strong defense?

@Terell Kirby Well said!

@Leo Gura Which ideal or theory have I pointed to? And how does it differ from the political reality

@Leo Gura Are they really the military arm? Or more like the only defense force in Palestine so they are perceived as the official military? They are not officially affiliated with the government, and mostly stick to the Gaza Strip region.

@Karmadhi So your basically saying that AL QAEDA was being frivolous in their efforts to attack USA for their military presence, where as Palestine has suffered more of a prolonged/brutal abuse at the hands of the Israelis?

@Karmadhi Would it be correct to compare this to the 9/11 situation?

@Leo Gura HAMAS is a terrorist organization seperate from Palestine, how can the entire country be held responsible for the acts of a terrorist organization?

@Leo Gura Diplomatically is the key word, Palestine and Israel don’t exist in a vacuum. Should HAMAS have attacked Israel, obviously not but as you said “the bear does not care about your moral system”, but Palestines government is seperate from HAMAS, and they could defend themselves through diplomatic relations with other countries and organizations such as the UN. (Which the US has repeatedly tried to push Palestine out of)

@Leo Gura Unless you managed to pull a gun from your coat? It is possible for Palestine to diplomatically aggregate enough man-power to defend themselves from Israel

@Leo Gura But if the grizzly bear over reacts, do the Palestinians not have the right to defend themselves from the over reaction? Wouldn’ disregarding someone’s moral system make them more likely to “Pull a gun out of their coat”?