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10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:Well, how you feel is distinct from awakening itself. Getting your feelings right might require a lot of additional work.
Awakening is that state itself, regardless of how long it lasts.
It is still awakening whether it becomes your baseline or not.
You can become infinitely conscious to the point where nothing is hidden from your consciousness any more. Your consciousness becomes absolute.
14 minutes ago, WokeBloke said:@Leo Gura How can you be sure there is no world outside the body (but within consciousness) that you are perceiving with the body? I mean from my point of view both you and I are in different parts of the world and communicating which suggests there is a world outside our perception but within our consciousness.
@Leo Gura Ok yeah I understand. So that state is always ever present, But its a matter of how conscious I become of it. The 5Me0 helped to raise my consciousness enough so that I was able to experience it more clearly. Is it that ego is what is preventing this from being recognized commonly? Is Kriya Yoga a sufficient method for getting feelings right? Would a consecutive methodical use of 5Me0 get a person to have Awakening to be their baseline?
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@Leo Gura So Awakening distilled down to its simplest understanding would be that you realize how everything is imagination. Personally I feel i have experiential understanding of this, due to my psychedelic use, how ever the quality of how I feel doesn't match up to how you describe in your video "What does Awakening feel like?" But it DID feel that way after I had 5Me0 HLC version. It didn't completely reconstruct a new reality before my eyes like smoking freebase did, but it did make my mind Crystal Clear, super pleasant mood. Perception was like on High Definition, It feel AWAKE AF but not like in the sense as how stimulants make you feel awake. What your saying is this state I described can become Ones new baseline of experience? That would be Awakening?
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1 minute ago, WokeBloke said:@Leo Gura Can you define imagination? I feel like I may have a different definition than you.
@WokeBloke If you refer to the dialog between myself and Leo. I questioned the inner seeing of mental imagery being imagination. So to remove a linguistic understanding of it, since our definitions can become misinterpreted from language, just use your direct observation of it. So for example right now, imagine a baseball. You can see that image in your mind, now what Leo is saying is to expand your definition of what that phenomena means to you to include outer seeing and all of perception as well. The difference being degrees or "solidity" of Imagination.
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18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:Yes, exactly.
Yes, of course. That's what a psychedelic trip is. You think of demons and then they start to materialize on your carpet.
In one of my early mushroom trips I started to think that my room resembles an ancient Indian palace a bit, and pretty soon my room turned into an ancient Indian palace.
But normally the human mind is not powerful enough to override outer seeing, because if it was, you'd call that going insane. People who can do that are locked up in mental hospitals and given anti-psychotic drugs. Or they are mystics living in caves.
See, if you started to think that your mom was a rubber yellow duck so deeply that she turned into one, you'd think you'd gone batshit crazy. But actually, you're just employing the power of God's mind to create its own reality. Nothing crazy about it.
Yeah I experienced something similar on 5-Me0. You responded to my question about it awhile back mentioning the facets I experienced. "Infinite Imaginations and God Realization. So the reference to that experience has helped me understand this alot. Would you say the Mystics arent even in that cave at all. They are occupying their own constructed heaven perhaps?
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@Leo Gura Holy Shit. Yeah I get it. I would think the sudden increase in my heart rate just now means something. I seeing exactly what your saying. So with awakening all that is dissolved? ones experience then is just pure presence and aware with little to no mental content? The mental chatter too, the inner monologue or subvocalizing is also ego?
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@Leo Gura Would it be the ego mind that thinks it is "having" these mental images of thoughts? But they are just spontaneously occurring? There seems to be a reaction to want to "control" mental content sometimes. How can I let this go?
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Just now, Leo Gura said:Fabrication is not technically as accurate.
Imagination goes deeper than fabrication.
This actually makes it easy to understand. Just expand your definition of imagination to include outer seeing, or all of perception.
Ok I get it, Would that mean inner seeing may simply be a lesser degree of imagination and the outer seeing be a greater degree? Greater in degree meaning how "solid" it seems? Can the inner seeing affect outer seeing? Ive seen people react to my mental imagery before and it was quite distressing? Any thoughts on this?
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1 hour ago, BipolarGrowth said:You can use “fabricated” in place of “imaginary” in certain cases too. It might drive the point home in a slightly different way.
Yeah thats the exact substitute word I have been using too. It seems easier to understand since my original reference to imaginary tends to be the "inner seeing" of mental imagery.
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10 hours ago, Leo Gura said:No, it doesn't.
You cannot maintain life at the highest levels. Which is why your baseline state is so much lower than the peaks that are possible. It's like living on top of Mt Everest, you can only do it for a short amount of time.
@Leo GuraAre the highest levels only sustainable for as long as the psychedelic is in effect anyway?
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You were just moving your attention/awareness to those areas. Dont over think it. The psychotic part would be thinking your splitting yourself into parts lol. We do have parts as in modes of perception. You can then focus on those individual sensations of hearing, seeing and feeling. You can say that focus is your sense of yourself or your awareness.
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8 hours ago, Thought Art said:Hmm, be careful with anti-depressants
Try mindfulness, cognitive behavioural therapy, Qigong and learn to fully feel your emotions. Also, consider a journaling practice. Morning pages.
That approach he mentions here I would also recommend. Observing the distinction between thinking and awareness and observing your behaviors can get you deep into seeing what is happening with your OCD behaviors.
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11 hours ago, Gabith said:Yesterday night it just hit me like a bolt. I've realised that I was creating suffering & fearful thoughts over something I don't have any control, it was useless!
Since I am born everyday I've lived could have been my last! And I was living life almost thinking I am eternal haha...
Each day is a gift, all I want is to live each day like a gift because it is and like it was my last because that's it! I don't know when I will die and I have zero control so I have to accept my death.Finally I've integrated this and now all I want is to remind myself each day when I'm worrying about something "hey remember life is precious, this could be my last day and I want to accept my death because if I don't, I'll create suffering for nothing"
I wonder why they don't teach this to kids in school, I knew this stuff intellectually and thought I had it all but integrating this is another thing, it changes everything
Good, there ya go man. Keep that mindset going and youll be alright.
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20 hours ago, Leo Gura said:Infinity is aware.
You are Infinity.
If you turn your gaze backward as your "self", behind the eyes so to speak, what you see there is Infinity. Infinity is where you're looking from. Infinity has no shape or form. It's like emptiness.
No-self simply means that you are not any finite definition of a self. In other words, you cannot have any finite shape. You cannot be a finite object or identity. Because your true identity is Infinity.
This makes so much sense!! When one hears You are God, and you say who is God? You hear, "You" are God and you say who am "I"? it makes a circle because your still not sure who "I" is? When we refer to "I" the mind tends to reflect on biographical history or the ego/story at first, then with consistent observation you can see how thats all illusion, there's really nothing there. That emptiness actually is something? Its Infinity. Does then Identity become realized to be totality of experience called Infinity/God? This framing still remains in the conceptual, I get that, but is this intellectually the proper way to understand it? I assume looking at it this way then methodically taking psychedelics and continuing to framing it like that will reveal a new understanding about what is being said? Like you realize it to be True experientially not conceptually?
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8 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:@Kamo idk, I'm pretty good at reading my wife's mind. I've experienced telepathy with my brother while we were both on acid... but then again we were both on acid.
I've known people who experience this discomfort you talk about. It's kind of a knowing people's intentions perhaps in spite of their words. I may have experienced it mildly myself when my awareness was hyper focused on what others were thinking/feeling about me.
yeah Its certainly a tricky thing to experience
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@Mason Riggle Now that I think about it, the situation that im actually referring too did indeed occurred a few days after i took LSD. I haven't even connected those dots. hmm? Thanks for that. LSD and telepathy is definitely a thing. Its certainly facilitates the occurrence more. My thing is i notice the anticipation of it happening just going about my normal day. Like im expecting it sometimes. lol
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@Kksd74628 Yeah I know, my question isnt directly related to what is being stated but it does kinda branch off to the question im asking separately about it lol
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Just now, Mason Riggle said:@Kamo I'm not quite sure what is being asked. One organism can tell another organism what thoughts are occurring for them.
Two organisms could have similar thoughts, I suppose.. Or one organism could maybe have some idea of the thoughts of another organism by observing their facial expressions, behavior, etc..
Yeah you understand the question correctly. I ask because there have been times where someone knew what thoughts I had just experienced in my own mind with surprisingly great accuracy to the point where It seems as if my own thoughts are perceivable by others, as you can imagine this is rather uncomfortable to deal with. I have also done the same at predicting the thoughts of other people to the point they question how I knew what they were thinking? This goes a little beyond mere cold reading like via external observations. Any thoughts?
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3 hours ago, Mason Riggle said:It's not really that there's no self.. It's that there's no 'separate self'. You are all of it. Everything.
Many organisms have the sense of being a locus of attention that resides somewhere in their body, usually behind the eyes, who controls the organism, is aware of its thoughts and feelings and actions, but this humunculous doesn't exist.
"What is often mistaken to be the thinker of thoughts, is just more thoughts."
So would you say that the same thoughts can be present in 2 people being near one another? Like would someone be able to see your thoughts? How or why not?
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Im not against you doing your own research but ill help ya out anyway lol. This sums it up well.
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@Gabith Sure, Im glad I was able to help. Stay strong man. Check in on the news about it and kinda play by ear. Focus on You!
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Well honestly your still a good distance away from the conflict zone. Do your best to carry on life as normal. Ground yourself internally to handle external circumstance. Theres really no reason to discontinue your project. Your idea of the future, which you don't see, will never be the real thing. You cant predict the circumstances that will arise tomorrow let alot the next 10 years. So your only limiting yourself by settling into false beliefs. Until something happens that becomes a direct threat to your personal progress no need to stop your personal progress. Until its in your direct experience its only concept and imagination from your point of view worrying about it. The fear will pass once you can relax back into your normal routine, Your reacting because this is something new and uncertain. So take it easy, Uncertainty is a feeling, not a fact. Manage the feelings. Suicide only has the appearance of a better outcome than your imagined worst case scenario. Its a temporary fearful thought of avoidance from a situation your not literally in in the current moment, just recognize that. Theres no bombs falling in Belgium and theres no reasons for Russia to advance into that territory. Your not alone, talk to your family and friends, here on the forum as well.
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Do you live in Ukraine? If your a civilian in the U.S you dont need to worry about the war. But the other things are your mind fabricating thoughts about your uneasy emotions. Take some time to do something enjoyable. The satisfaction meditation can help you out, and diverting your focus on the things your working on in life. Finish a book you started, work on your goals, fitness goals, financial goals, idk what your life is like or what your doing but it sounds like your overthinking and getting stuck in your thoughts, just recognize they are only thoughts and pay attention to doing stuff till these things pass. Its a quick little potential fix to get you by.
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@patricknotstar Your welcome! Its process and takes time. That what will give you something to do to change your mindset, Im not sure if your life consists of only going to work, watching tv, or being on your cell phone scrolling, then rest of the time your sleeping just to repeat the same cycle over again the next day. but I found that more people that live that specific cycle often feel more depressed than those who are doing personal development and making good use of their time. Make sure you have goals.
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Focus on the basics. Learn about how your mind works. Integrate Leos earlier videos.
I posted an answer similar to how I would answer this question in another post. If you want to check that out. Its kinda a prerequisite way to prepare you for the deeper work.
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@WokeBloke Your taking it out of context, What Leo is saying is from that omniscient state of consciousness, he probably could answer that question for you if he chose to imagine some kind of remote viewing aspect, However he doesn't live his everyday life from that state. So he couldn't answer it in the way your asking. The states we are talking about happen from specific psychedelics that "grant you access" to special modes of perception.