Who Is Making Choices

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

You could simplify it even further. When you make a decision, how did you do it precisely? Did you decide to make that decision, or was the decision "being made" simply part of the continues flow of this reality? If a person deeply inspects their decisions, they will soon find that they don't have a lot of deciding to do on which decisions they will make. Only by dying beyond your decision making processes can you realize, that there is something that simply is, without having been decided. That something is being itself. Being didn't decide to be. It simply is!

IOW, what you're saying is decisions are being made, but no one is making them. 

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

@Princess Arabia Yes. Decisions appear, but being has to BE the case in order for them to arise. Decisions can't be made outside of being, since being is the structure for all decisions to appear.

This means that you can make a decision, without making a decision. That's the real mind fuck here.

Edited February 6 by DefinitelyNotARobot

[thierry]

Real freedom is attained when you realize for yourself that free will is real.

[Princess Arabia]

Just now, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@Princess Arabia Yes. Decisions appear, but being has to BE the case in order for them to arise. Decisions can't be made outside of being, since being is the structure for all decisions that appear.

This means that you can make a decision, without making a decision. That's the real mind fuck here.

Yeah, I really get that. I was gonna make my comment longer by kinda asking exactly what you just explained, but I just left it where I did. Now, being was present in order for the decision to not make my comment longer over making it longer to be made. Geesh.,,, decisions, decisions, that aren't really decisions....

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

@thierry How exactly would you define "will"? 

[thierry]

7 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@thierry How exactly would you define "will"? 

Action, freedom to act.

[Bazooka Jesus]

A man can choose what he wants but not want what he wants.

- Arthur Schopenhauer -

In other words: You don't have (free) will. WILL HAS YOU.

 

 

Edited February 6 by Bazooka Jesus

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

@thierry What does this freedom to act say about choice? A choice is a limitation you put upon yourself. To choose requires a set of things (in this case actions) to choose from, and a decision maker. But you ARE already EVERYTHING! You can't choose one part over the other part, because you're ALL the parts simultaneously and non-simultaneously. This of course includes every possible way to deceive yourself into thinking that this was not the case.

[thierry]

1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@thierry What does this freedom to act say about choice? A choice is a limitation you put upon yourself. To choose requires a set of things (in this case actions) to choose from, and a decision maker. But you ARE already EVERYTHING! You can't choose one part over the other part, because you're ALL the parts simultaneously and non-simultaneously. This of course includes every possible way to deceive yourself into thinking that this was not the case.

Fortunately I indeed found a way to put a limitation over myself.

[thierry]

A limitation that completes the unlimited perfectly and this limitation is called :

CHOICE.

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

@thierry You are EVERY limitation. Not just that particular one. This particular limitation is a inevitability of infinite consciousness. This moment could not NOT have been the case, thus we're here.

[thierry]

25 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotARobot said:

@thierry You are EVERY limitation. Not just that particular one. This particular limitation is a inevitability of infinite consciousness. This moment could not NOT have been the case, thus we're here.

Okay thanks.

I’m awake. Right now I’m awake.

there is no past, no future, no life story.

only the present moment.

I’m born now, I’m dead now.

I never did anything. I’ll never do anything. 
 

I am just now.

[DefinitelyNotARobot]

10 minutes ago, thierry said:

I am just now.

❤

[Osaid]

Notice that there is ultimately only one decision, not two. Forget all your theorizing, you only ever experience one choice, which is the one that you pick. You don't make two decisions, you "pick." But what did you pick from? Your imagination? Do your choices vanish when you stop imagining? Contemplate!

[BlueOak]

You - Infinity
Choice - No Choice
Choice in the Moment - Patterned Fate
Individual - Infinity
Life - Death

Same thing.

Edited February 6 by BlueOak

[Atb210201]

@Princess Arabia of course you are making a choice to write this here

 

So the answer is you

 

"You" are making choices every moment whether you are aware of it or not

 

But I'm telling you to be aware right now pay attention its not difficult to realise that you've made your own choices all through your life

[Princess Arabia]

2 hours ago, Atb210201 said:

@Princess Arabia of course you are making a choice to write this here

 

So the answer is you

 

"You" are making choices every moment whether you are aware of it or not

 

But I'm telling you to be aware right now pay attention its not difficult to realise that you've made your own choices all through your life

Are you sure about that. Ok, I'll take your word for it. Same difference. 

[Princess Arabia]

17 hours ago, BlueOak said:

You - Infinity
Choice - No Choice
Choice in the Moment - Patterned Fate
Individual - Infinity
Life - Death

Same thing.

Dual - Non-Dual.

[Princess Arabia]

On 2/5/2024 at 9:20 PM, Osaid said:

Notice that there is ultimately only one decision, not two. Forget all your theorizing, you only ever experience one choice, which is the one that you pick. You don't make two decisions, you "pick." But what did you pick from? Your imagination? Do your choices vanish when you stop imagining? Contemplate!

Profound

[Razard86]

You have choice, its just the human doesn't get to pick what choices are available or how the actions from those choices turn out. So you both have choice and don't have choice. Determinism and Free Will are one and the same. God is deterministic, God determines the outcomes in the present moment. Your human self doesn't have Absolute Free Will but your God head does.

Your true identity is pure potentiality. That identity has pure free will and cannot be controlled by anything because it is absolute. You are pure potentiality manifested as a human being making decisions and also experiencing the limitations associated with being that human. You chose everything that is currently happening, you are just not in a state where you are aware of that. If you were, you couldn't have a life because life is a present moment of surprise. 

No surprise if you are all knowing....so limited you shall be to experience life.