Are other people conscious on a relative level?

[Actualizer777]

@Princess Arabia I am not "threatening" suicide. It just overwhelms me. Leo was such an important figure in my life. For so long. He is neither stupid nor delusional. When he tells me he does not experience a subjective experience the way I do, I just freak out.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao Can you explain in any context why he would be saying things like in this one thread? In his video about infinity of gods everything makes much more sense.

[Princess Arabia]

44 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

It is not possible right now for me and it is driving me crazy. I would love to follow the path to awakening but this misinterpretation pushes me away from it. It leads me to wanting to end my life.

Whats this

[Actualizer777]

@ivankiss But why does he not say it in a way where I cannot interpret it like this. It seems like he actively wants to communicate the idea of relative solipsism. Otherwise he could say: "Other people have the same illusion of identity and subjectivity as you but all of it is imagined by the real YOU". Instead he says only my perspective exists. Only what is in front of me right now.

[Actualizer777]

@Princess Arabia I meant that it was not a "threat". But if this is the only perspective there is in reality, I don't want to live anymore.

[UnbornTao]

Of course you can ignore it.

The gist of it is: why worry about it? 

We don't know what's true. Believing in what another has told you is irrelevant.

[Actualizer777]

@UnbornTao But Leo is not any random dude on the internet. People say all sorts of nonsense. But for me Leo was a mentor for so long. Him saying it seems so personal to me. And I don't understand why he would tell me that his perspective does not exist in the same way my perspective exists. Because he is only a figment of my imagination.

[Yimpa]

3 minutes ago, Actualizer777 said:

@Princess Arabia this is the only perspective there is in reality

It ain’t

[UnbornTao]

So what? Ignore it, it gets in the way. Stop making up BS, it isn't true.

Be grounded in your own work.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Actualizer777 said:

@Princess Arabia I meant that it was not a "threat". But if this is the only perspective there is in reality, I don't want to live anymore.

There are infinite perspectives. There isn't just one perspective. One AbsoluteTruth and you are it. So it doesn't matter about other perspectives. 

[Inliytened1]

@Actualizer777 if you imagine they are conscious it becomes reality.  Thats what becomes real for you.  Imagination literally is reality.

[UnbornTao]

No extrapolation. This is not a place to have one's beliefs validated.

Relax. Go take a walk.

Edited December 14, 2023 by UnbornTao

[Thought Art]

@Actualizer777 Hello my friend. Take some time to spend with friends, family, or others. 

This solipsism stuff, when understood intellectually is just none sense. Focus on enjoying Leo's content, socializing with others etc. 

Other people are real.

[Osaid]

Since when has consciousness been relative? What kind of BS are you learning from Leo?

[Thought Art]

@Osaid I think Leo said it was absolute actually

[Osaid]

20 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

I think Leo said it was absolute actually

I was pointing to how the thread title says "conscious on a relative level." 

[Thought Art]

@Osaid He means “are there other minds?” I think

[Osaid]

5 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

He means “are there other minds?” I think

Same thing.

[Thought Art]

@Osaid Are there?

[Osaid]

10 hours ago, Thought Art said:

Are there?

"Other mind" is different from "conscious experience." But most people would interpret them as the same thing, which causes the initial confusion. Most people are inquiring about conscious experience, not another mind. "Other mind" is there, but not "other consciousness." When I say something is not there, I am saying that nothing is there, not non-existence. There is a difference between "nothing" and "non-existence." Non-existence is an intellectual conclusion, you cannot experience something that does not exist. Experientially, consciousness says nothing (literally) about what does and doesn't exist, that is intellect and duality. Consciousness is just purely what is experienced.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Osaid